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[big dog cowboy]

I will take Henderson over Jeanty.
Jeanty getting too much hype.

Jeanty is deserving of the hype.

Henderson isn't a bell cow RB. That's too much workload for him. His carries would need limited and the backup better be a good one.

 

[Ranching]

Like a fine wine she gets better with age.

I bet she has a little MD 2020 in her

 

[blueblood70]

Only caveat might be this. He's been in the building dealing with the Joneses and the scouts , this includes McClay. He's been here for a few years now. So while he now has new job duties, and the HC title, I expect he will have some influence on draft day.This said, do we really want the HC influencing who we draft when it's the scouts job to build the board etc? I think if there's a draft criteria and plan, the scouts will be able to build the board and the staff won't need to pound the table very hard. Just let the scouts do what they do and let's pick good players. We can sort it all out in camp. Let's get some fresh meat in here.

talking about Kellen Moore with the saints, brand new in the building, job title, late in the process etc etc

but sure, applies here a bit as well, accept those facts you stated, sure BS will get bit more of voice with his relationship at the Star.

 

[Rayman70]

I agree. Let them put together the board as to BPA. Period.

Where I disagree with McClay’s philosophy on that. He said when MM came in, they will sit down and see what type of players they were looking for to draft for their style and schemes. They will draft players and fit the system to that player.
Which sounded great.

As opposed to Garrett, they drafted players they liked and would try to make that player change to fit their system.
The old putting a square peg into a hole. Them MM was we will change our hole for the player to fit.

Neither one really worked out that great, but MM had the right idea.

So do not put the board together based on what players you like.
Do BPA regardless and go with who is there.
Do away with the 1st round grade crap. As that can be skewed as well.

It's a tough call right? Danged if we do danged if we don't. I guess there's gotta be a happy medium. I think building the board according to what your staff wants before draft day leading up to it, is sufficient. I think they have well over a Month to know exactly what they are looking for. I guess if I had my way, I wouldn't have to have my HC or DC in the war room when we are on the clock. Which means we are on the same page coaches down to scouts. MM was not allowed to make player decisions in GB. Turns out, they had it right lol. Because he showed at least 2 times, and same with DQ, that coaches don't need to be in there when drafting. Trust the scouts, trust your plan and process leading up to it. It's a hard call I guess.

 

[Rayman70]

I agree. Let them put together the board as to BPA. Period.

Where I disagree with McClay’s philosophy on that. He said when MM came in, they will sit down and see what type of players they were looking for to draft for their style and schemes. They will draft players and fit the system to that player.
Which sounded great.

As opposed to Garrett, they drafted players they liked and would try to make that player change to fit their system.
The old putting a square peg into a hole. Them MM was we will change our hole for the player to fit.

Neither one really worked out that great, but MM had the right idea.

So do not put the board together based on what players you like.
Do BPA regardless and go with who is there.
Do away with the 1st round grade crap. As that can be skewed as well.

Last 3 things you said above were so spot on. I agree. The winning teams do this every year.

 

[Rayman70]

talking about Kellen Moore with the saints, brand new in the building, job title, late in the process etc etc

but sure, applies here a bit as well, accept those facts you stated, sure BS will get bit more of voice with his relationship at the Star.

Exactly

 

[blueblood70]

Jeanty is deserving of the hype.

Henderson isn't a bell cow RB. That's too much workload for him. His carries would need limited and the backup better be a good one.

Actually the argument can be seen from both sides, you think he can't handle it but some of us know he can they just chose to split carries just like they're doing right now with Penn State and I wish those two dudes would come out in 25 but they aren't..

when you're splitting carries you won't have the gaudy numbers but here's the problem with AJ, all the mileage he's Ezekiel Elliott coming out of college, with even more mileage ,how much are you going to get picking him at #12 as far as longevity that is actually a red flag..

the man was overused this much in the same way Elliot was, I'd rather have the guy who was splitting carries you can't say he can't do it until you see that he can't I say he can't these guys are all built that way but they are coming from an offense that they split carries.

For me I'd rather have the guy with less mileage, you're probably going to get a lot more years out of him, and we're not going to be using him like we did Emmett Smith we're not running his wheels off ..we're literally going to depend on having a main running back, sure, but I think you're looking at this wrong IMO

in this case I see a dude that is being hyped up because of all the broken tackles and all the physicality of how he ran and had all this stamina, yeah that was a lot of mileage to get to that point, and if you look at the level of competition on a regular basis.

I'm not talking about the few examples with Oregon but you can see a guy coming from OSU that looks like he has plenty to be a starting running back and given normal carries most running backs in this league are not going to be given 100% of the carries so you're going to split duty some so I don't know I think there's an argument for taking Henderson or Samson or one of those guys no matter if they were splitting carries or not...IMHO

AJ at 12 ill take him but, BUT if you truly taget a RB in round 1 those 3 just trade into 20 get a 3rd or that 4th. so you get top back plus pick.. It's just an idea we're not saying it you should stay away from AJ but there's some people viewing him as a top ten but there's some of them have him going in the 20s they're looking at it from those angles that some people are missing all the things that make him great also can make him have a red flag...

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Newsflash

a newb HC, first timer at that on a new team, NOR even most HCs make this call.. almost ZERO influence on the drafts.. thats a GM/Owner/Scout. I realize the BS connection but that not how it works.

I think given that Moore just won a super bowl with Saquan Barkley rushing for 2000 yards, it would be a mistake to assume Jeanty won't get consideration at pick 9

 

[jterrell]

Jeanty has been in the Star plenty and is local kid who would make a fine Cowboy. But it doesn't mean you want to select him at 12 necessarily.

Dallas tried previously to wait out RB position then essentially ended up without one.
The position is returning to vogue as good teams who win playoff games run the ball well.
As some wise people pointed out to the analytics crowd studying data would change things and the run game value is cyclical.

If defenses are going to play dime against you, you sure better be able to run the friggin ball.

 

[blueblood70]

I think given that Moore just won a super bowl with Saquan Barkley rushing for 2000 yards, it would be a mistake to assume Jeanty won't get consideration at pick 9

I'm sorry dude but you're missing the point!

I didn't say the Saints wouldn't consider it, I'm saying that Moore does not have any influence at this point in time..

if you think that then why do we even argue about what a regular GM is on a regular team where the owner is not the GM they're literally make the decisions, and they usually do not include the head coach unless he's been there awhile..

a brand new head coach late to the game never been a head coach before that's green is not going to get the voice you think he is, he's brand new to New Orleans he has his hands full just putting together his staff right now which is not finished they're all going to be new in that building..​

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therefore the GM, the owner , &the scouts in New Orleans will be making this decision, sure lots of people are going to be considering AJ in the top 10, for sure ,but I'm saying Kelly Moore is not going to be influencing them because he's from Boise State and so is AJ it's not going to be a factor, he's not going to be able to just walk in there and say that's what I want ,that's what I want, and you better do it!!​

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that is what I was saying, that just because he's from Boise State which by the way we have people on our staff that also has a relationship with AJ but that doesn't mean he's landing here either.​

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[jterrell]

I think given that Moore just won a super bowl with Saquan Barkley rushing for 2000 yards, it would be a mistake to assume Jeanty won't get consideration at pick 9

Honestly nothing Dallas can do about that so I wouldn't spend 1 second worried about it.
Kellen loves Boise and loves a run game so he could def go that direction. If so someone else falls.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Someone needs to convince me that Ashton is worth a 1st rounder. Most of the games I've seen him in don't scream greatness. I can be convinced otherwise.

 

[blueblood70]

Honestly nothing Dallas can do about that so I wouldn't spend 1 second worried about it.
Kellen loves Boise and loves a run game so he could def go that direction. If so someone else falls.

HE isnt THEY .. Kelly Moore will not make the final decision he may be able to say hey I'd like that guy and sure he'd be considered a top 10 running back but everyone keeps thinking he's going to walk in there and say that's what I want that's where we're going and then they're just going to reciprocate.

that's not how it works the GM and the scouts and the owner will make that decision and I don't think more is going to have much of an influence you all think he does but I'm saying he doesn't he's still new he's got too much to worry about right now and while they'll allow him a suggestion that's not going to be much of an influence in my opinion they're not going to think about well we have someone else in mind but because more came in and said he wants AJ then that's who we're picking no that's not how it is there is no he in this process especially on a team with separate and GM's and presidents of player personnel is not all the same like it is here..

They've got some huge holes to fill in New Orleans much more than even here so all I'm saying is people gotta stop acting like because kellen's from Boise State and he likes to run game he's going to walk in there and get his way.....

 

[blueblood70]

Honestly nothing Dallas can do about that so I wouldn't spend 1 second worried about it.
Kellen loves Boise and loves a run game so he could def go that direction. If so someone else falls.

The way I look at this and you're right I'm not losing sleep over it ,

AJ is not the only great running back in this draft but if he is,, if he's supposed to be the cream of the crop ,generational ,all those guys that had that tag on him in the past that running back and gone in the top five but for sure it didn't get by the top 10..

so I don't see how he's going to be an option for the Cowboys anyway he shouldn't be there if he's that good he should not be there..

everyone saying will look at the running backs last year, look at Saquan Barkley, where did Barkley go in the draft ?that says he's probably going early as well, and you're right.. if he's gone that means that they passed on someone else like a wide receiver or maybe Abdul Carter gets to the Cowboys, and it'll be easy for us to make that decision.

 

[Rayman70]

Mickey Loomis will do what Mickey Loomis thinks is best for the saints on draft day. I think Moore will have little influence. Anything is possible.

 

[Teague31]

My prediction is that they don’t draft a RB at all. We’ve seen this before. Big and little convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the league and by waiting they will get “value”. Then runs happen and they are “surprised” that they are the ones without a chair to sit in when the music stops. Morons. The both of them.

 

[Gameover]

Someone needs to convince me that Ashton is worth a 1st rounder. Most of the games I've seen him in don't scream greatness. I can be convinced otherwise.

Arizona State showed me more.

 

[Teague31]

Jeanty is deserving of the hype.

Henderson isn't a bell cow RB. That's too much workload for him. His carries would need limited and the backup better be a good one.

Not even sure Henderson was the best back on his own team.

 

[Aven8]

I bet she has a little MD 2020 in her

That gives her that raspy voice! Ha

 

[jterrell]

HE isnt THEY .. Kelly Moore will not make the final decision he may be able to say hey I'd like that guy and sure he'd be considered a top 10 running back but everyone keeps thinking he's going to walk in there and say that's what I want that's where we're going and then they're just going to reciprocate.

that's not how it works the GM and the scouts and the owner will make that decision and I don't think more is going to have much of an influence you all think he does but I'm saying he doesn't he's still new he's got too much to worry about right now and while they'll allow him a suggestion that's not going to be much of an influence in my opinion they're not going to think about well we have someone else in mind but because more came in and said he wants AJ then that's who we're picking no that's not how it is there is no he in this process especially on a team with separate and GM's and presidents of player personnel is not all the same like it is here..

They've got some huge holes to fill in New Orleans much more than even here so all I'm saying is people gotta stop acting like because kellen's from Boise State and he likes to run game he's going to walk in there and get his way.....

I have no personal knowledge of exactly how New Orleans will BUT I do know most incoming head coach hires have a large say. Especially when its their offense or their defense. And I know Sean Payton had a LARGE say when he was Saints HC. And I do know they picked Kellen and locked him down well before he was free to take the job. He was coveted and had options.

Most mocks have them drafting a DE. Plenty of need there and lots of DEs in this class.

But most of those mocks also reference new coach Kellen Moore. And I doubt Mickey Loomis is going to freeze out a new head coach to draft given Loomis himself is on the hot seat.