The mistake of putting everything on the skill position players

[Ranching]

So tell me…why do you complain so much about other people’s opinions on a Cowboys opinion forum? It just makes zero sense to me. Even ironic. Constantly showing up in a thread to cry about “what this site used to be.” Maybe offer something different.

Disagree with my Cowboys opinion? I welcome it. Whining about people’s right to express their opinion in a thread is the opposite of what this place is all about. Honestly, I think you are better than this.

Complaining and providing the bait are two different things. I was agreeing with him....I must have touched a nerve...I thought you were great when you provided insight to the actual game....kick the jukebox sometime, that old 45 has been getting stuck.

 

[gtb1943]

Complaining and providing the bait are two different things. I was agreeing with him....I must have touched a nerve...I thought you were great when you provided insight to the actual game....kick the jukebox sometime, that old 45 has been getting stuck.

well, you are trying to play a 78 on a 33 turntable

 

[Ranching]

well, you are trying to play a 78 on a 33 turntable

I have about 300 45s. I have bought them through the years for my jukebox. A gift from my wife about 30 years ago. Lots of fun

 

[john van brocklin]

I probably don't need to re-emphasize who the real stars of the SB were but I will anyway. The egirls (who I hate) have made it crystal clear what their cornerstones are on their team that they rely on MOST: Their trench players - OL and front 7 on D. They are hands down the league’s best. They had 6 ALL PROS this year and 4 of them were either OL, DL or LBs.

In fact if anyone really studies what Philly’s most simplified formula for winning is look no further than guys like DT Jalen Carter, LG Landon Dickerson, RT Lane Johnson, LT Jordan Mailata, LB Zack Baun, and NT Jordan Davis. Those guys dominate the LOS and make it much easier for Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown to make plays. Two of the three skill position guys - Barkley and Brown - were both FA acquisitions, not draft picks.

As we begin to prepare for the off-season with FA and the draft, I hope this front office can once and for all learn the real cornerstones we need aren’t just WRs, RBs and QBs. It’s like Jerry still thinks the only reason we were so dominant in the 90s was because of “The Triplets”. Sure that helped to have Troy, Emmitt and Michael but without Mark Tunei, Nate Newton, Erik Williams, and Charles Hailey, the Cowboys don’t win 3 SBs in the 90s.

I know we need a RB, and second WR, but honestly IMO, we need to use a lot of early draft capital acquiring some beasts. Getting good RBs and WRs are way easier than top tier trench players.

I hope our FO can finally learn triplets are only as good as the people who block and tackle in support of them.

Can't teach old dogs new tricks.......

 

[CowboysRule]

It's a shame...used to be a great site....now it's all, Jerry sucks, Dak sucks, we should get slaughtered to embarrass Jerry, lose for draft choices....sad...even some of our leaders got suced down the sewer

Yeah, I mean I thought being a fan meant rooting for your team to do well and rivals to lose. All I ever read on here is how we are terrible, doomed, we suck and how great every other team is. I must have this whole fan thing wrong.

 

[Ironicalicon]

Too bad Jerry won't hire some help. We have a lot of experts around here.

One of there top scouts went to school with me, he's down for the weekend. If I see him, I'm gotta put in a good word for some of our zoners. I think, they can really help

I think what we're learning from podcasting is that there are some "ordinary" people or people in other professions who are devout fans that really spend the time to evaluate talent and are worthy of being heard out.

 

[Chasing6]

The benefit of drafting or acquiring better talent on both lines is they make everyone behind them better. If the Cowboys draft anything other than an OL or DL in the first round they are accepting going backward.

Draft the best player available. That is how you don't have mis terribly on draft picks.

 

[Bobhaze]

Yeah, I mean I thought being a fan meant rooting for your team to do well and rivals to lose. All I ever read on here is how we are terrible, doomed, we suck and how great every other team is. I must have this whole fan thing wrong.

Being a Cowboys fan on this site means we respect each other even when we disagree with each other’s opinions. There are literally a thousand ways to be a Cowboys fan. You can be whatever Cowboys fan you want to be.

But I can guarantee you no one on this site has to be a fan like anyone else expects them to be. If being a Cowboys fan is only the way you see it, that’s fine. That’s how you choose to express it. I 100% support your right to be that kind of fan. Go for it. As long as we stay within the guidelines we all have that right here.

But I also expect that same level respect for Cowboys fans who choose to talk about things you may not personally like. I love the Dallas Cowboys. I want them to win. Which is why I express my opinions on this site the way I do. Because I want the Cowboys to win. If that’s not what another fan sees as “what it means to be a Cowboys fan”, so be it.

I think all Cowboys fans have the right to express whatever joy or frustration, hope, loyalty or memories they choose to express. You included.

But I do not understand why someone thinks it’s fine to just hijack a thread about skill position players vs trench players by saying, “Remember when this was a site for Cowboys fans? All I ever read anymore is how great the Eagles are...”. That is classic “thread hijacking.” If you want to talk about that start your own thread that expresses that opinion.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah, I mean I thought being a fan meant rooting for your team to do well and rivals to lose. All I ever read on here is how we are terrible, doomed, we suck and how great every other team is. I must have this whole fan thing wrong.

Yes, but it's possible that it is rooting for your team to win.

Would you rather have 3 consecutive 10 win seasons w/ no playoff wins, or 2 seasons of 4-6 win seasons followed by a super bowl appearance?

 

[kskboys]

Being a Cowboys fan on this site means we respect each other even when we disagree with each other’s opinions. There are literally a thousand ways to be a Cowboys fan. You can be whatever Cowboys fan you want to be.

But I can guarantee you no one on this site has to be a fan like anyone else expects them to be. If being a Cowboys fan is only the way you see it, that’s fine. That’s how you choose to express it. I 100% support your right to be that kind of fan. Go for it. As long as we stay within the guidelines we all have that right here.

But I also expect that same level respect for Cowboys fans who choose to talk about things you may not personally like. I love the Dallas Cowboys. I want them to win. Which is why I express my opinions on this site the way I do. Because I want the Cowboys to win. If that’s not what another fan sees as “what it means to be a Cowboys fan”, so be it.

I think all Cowboys fans have the right to express whatever joy or frustration, hope, loyalty or memories. You included.

But I do not understand why someone thinks it’s fine to just hijack a thread about skill position players vs trench players by saying, “Remember when this was a site for Cowboys fans? All I ever read anymore is how great the Eagles are...”. That is classic “thread hijacking’s”. If you want to talk about that start your own thread that expresses that opinion.

Boyhowdy, that is well said.

 

[kskboys]

Draft the best player available. That is how you don't have mis terribly on draft picks.

Really? Mazi was BPA.

The best draft strategy by far is to not use one single strategy. Taking BPA willynilly is just as foolish as reaching for need. And w/ BPA, you'll end up w/ 6 TE's and not DT's. So, that's what you want?

Need and BPA should both be weighed carefully before selecting. What if you have two #1 WRs and 2 fine backups, but the BPA is a WR w/ an 8.6 score. And there's a DT sitting there w/ an 8.5 score. According to your BPA, you take the WR anyway.

Taking BPA is how you never get better.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah, I mean I thought being a fan meant rooting for your team to do well and rivals to lose. All I ever read on here is how we are terrible, doomed, we suck and how great every other team is. I must have this whole fan thing wrong.

Yes, you do. What if rooting for your team means they need to lose for a season or two in order to build a super bowl contender? Do you regret the Herschel Walker trade? Sometimes you have to get worse to get better. And if you have a GM who insists on 9 win seasons every year even though it means no playoffs or 1st round playoff losses, wouldn't you like that GM to do things differently?

 

[KingCorcoran]

Draft the best player available. That is how you don't have mis terribly on draft picks.

Hard to argue with that. Nonetheless, improve the lines, improve the entire roster. There are too many here that think re-signing Trance is a good idea. This team has a long way to go.

 

[Blackrain]

I probably don't need to re-emphasize who the real stars of the SB were but I will anyway. The egirls (who I hate) have made it crystal clear what their cornerstones are on their team that they rely on MOST: Their trench players - OL and front 7 on D. They are hands down the league’s best. They had 6 ALL PROS this year and 4 of them were either OL, DL or LBs.

In fact if anyone really studies what Philly’s most simplified formula for winning is look no further than guys like DT Jalen Carter, LG Landon Dickerson, RT Lane Johnson, LT Jordan Mailata, LB Zack Baun, and NT Jordan Davis. Those guys dominate the LOS and make it much easier for Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown to make plays. Two of the three skill position guys - Barkley and Brown - were both FA acquisitions, not draft picks.

As we begin to prepare for the off-season with FA and the draft, I hope this front office can once and for all learn the real cornerstones we need aren’t just WRs, RBs and QBs. It’s like Jerry still thinks the only reason we were so dominant in the 90s was because of “The Triplets”. Sure that helped to have Troy, Emmitt and Michael but without Mark Tunei, Nate Newton, Erik Williams, and Charles Hailey, the Cowboys don’t win 3 SBs in the 90s.

I know we need a RB, and second WR, but honestly IMO, we need to use a lot of early draft capital acquiring some beasts. Getting good RBs and WRs are way easier than top tier trench players.

I hope our FO can finally learn triplets are only as good as the people who block and tackle in support of them.

All true bullet the eagles trenches are the best in the league on both sides of the ball and it showed in the Super bowl on full display.

When you can stop the run and get pressure with four down lineman everybody's covered and even Patrick mahomes has nowhere to go with the football.

When you have the most dominant offensive line and running back in the game it requires more personnel to be pulled into the box after Kansas City pick their poison they were just destroyed over the top.

Jerry knows this I believe he was a lineman on his championship winning team if I'm not mistaken but he also knows what position sell jerseys running back wide receiver and quarterback.
And as of late kind of like the last 30 years we see where his head's at it's about making the most money not building the team to win a Super bowl .

Also lineman can take time to develop and put their man weight on and learn to play at their full strength in the NFL doesn't always happen right out of college we're running backs and wide receivers can usually hit the ground running.
Jerry doesn't seem like he has a lot of patience with developing players he wants instant success and jersey sales.

 

[Rayman70]

The big uglies in the trenches win games. Until we get back to this as a foundational building block, we won't win. Dak can be a great bus driver, but no more. He can be a SB winner but can't be the big dog. That's not him. He needs a team around him. Ultimate team game is football. Look at this years sb. The big boys up front dictated terms. Set the tone. That's. Cowboy football and how we won in the 1990s. The triplets don't get to a SB without the Oline and dline being dominant.All Aikman had to do was his job. Same with Dak if we build this right.

 

[Blackrain]

Yeah, I mean I thought being a fan meant rooting for your team to do well and rivals to lose. All I ever read on here is how we are terrible, doomed, we suck and how great every other team is. I must have this whole fan thing wrong.

No brother you got the whole fan thing right you're just in the wrong era you go back to the '70s and the team was great built the right way had people who cared about winning.
Now the reason we talk about other teams is because the formula for success is so blatant and hung in front of our noses as we are pushed out by the teams in our division and we watch as our owner stands on his hands does nothing and watches these other teams put together winning rosters very frustrating.
It has nothing to do with us giving up on the team or not being fans we are just frustrated because there's nothing we can do but watch other teams do it the right way while we do it the wrong way

 

[Blackrain]

The big uglies in the trenches win games. Until we get back to this as a foundational building block, we won't win. Dak can be a great bus driver, but no more. He can be a SB winner but can't be the big dog. That's not him. He needs a team around him. Ultimate team game is football. Look at this years sb. The big boys up front dictated terms. Set the tone. That's. Cowboy football and how we won in the 1990s. The triplets don't get to a SB without the Oline and dline being dominant.All Aikman had to do was his job. Same with Dak if we build this right.

Exactly brother Ray on display in the Super bowl even the great Patrick mahomes looked very mortal when his trenches were being bullied by Superior talent.

This whole football thing really isn't rocket science guys a lot of times might makes right especially in the trenches when you're weak there it gives the whole rest of the team a hard way to go.

 

[Blackrain]

Remember when this was a site for Cowboys fans? All I ever read anymore is how great the Eagles are...

Once upon a Time long long ago before you were born there was no SITE.
THE COWBOYS WERE SO DOMINANT THAT THE EAGLES ONLY WON TWO GAMES against us IN A 10-YEAR SPAN.
They had a horrible owner and we were America's team the franchise that every team modeled after and wanted to be.

Now things have done a complete 180 we have the horrible owner and they are the team that teams are modeling their franchises after.
So while the eagles happen to be in our division and our winning Super bowls at our expense and our owner still has his head up his behind as far as building the team goes and coaching it I'm afraid you're going to hear a lot of talk about the eagles and probably the Commanders also.

 

[Rayman70]

Exactly brother Ray on display in the Super bowl even the great Patrick mahomes looked very mortal when his trenches were being bullied by Superior talent.

This whole football thing really isn't rocket science guys a lot of times might makes right especially in the trenches when you're weak there it gives the whole rest of the team a hard way to go.

Ty and you would think Jerry realizes this.

 

[Creeper]

I think what it boils down to is 1. having a plan for what you want to be as a team. The Eagles clearly prioritize the trenches. This doesn't mean they do not focus on other positions as well, but when they have an opportunity to acquire impact players in the trenches they do not skip them because a WR or CB is a more sexy pick. 2. They seem to be better at identifying talent at these positions.

At the same time, the Eagles did not get Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis drafting at the end of the first round. Both players were early in the draft. If the Cowboys were drafting where the Eagles were drafting who is to say they would not have taken both players? IMO they wouldn't have but I cannot prove it. Even Landon Dickerson was taken in round 2 at #37. That was after the Eagles finished the 2020 season at 4-11-1.

Look at the Lions, a team people have been ignoring. If not for all the injuries on defense, it could have been the Lions in the SB and not the Eagles. The Lions acquired a lot of their talent drafting Early too, the result of a lot of years of bad football. But the Lions were bad for a long time, like the Giants are now. It took better player evaluation, and a very beneficial trade with the Rams to get them to where they are.

This is why I think it would benefit the Cowboys to accept the situation they are in and take 2025 as another year to acquire talent in 2026. Start clearing CAP space, get high draft picks and make the most of what's there in the draft.