Whether you like Dak or not

[Hadenough]

His contract has never been the albatross that the Joneses made it out to be. We need to keep the pressure on the real source of the problem, the Joneses.

Dak just counted 43 mil and this season he counts 89 mil against the cap. He's a problem and a big problem. Hurts counted 21 mil against the cap last year. Dallas has no cap room unless you want to restructure Dak and kick more money down the road which he probably won't even be playing. They don't have the cap space.

 

[75boyz]

Dak is really just the current personification of a bad decision by Jerry. Like Garrett, like Campo, like dedicating a draft to just special teams, like never bothering to improve the defense when you had a talent like Demarcus Ware. Not bothering to give Romo a proper run game and actually make an effort to improve the offensive line. Lazy General Manager-ing is what we have.

Nice post.
Accurate examples.

 

[kskboys]

As per the previous contract, I thought it was heavily suggested that Dak wanted the short term so he could re-enter free agency.

Yup. It was actually very blatant and in the news every day, that he was flat out refusing anything longer than 4 yrs. Didn't care what he did to the team. We are now in cap hell due to his greed. Every other QB that signed a top of the market deal agreed to a longer deal.

 

[kskboys]

I fully expect this team to not make the playoffs in 2025. I do not agree that restructuring his deal is the way to go. Instead take the hit for a single year and move on from this guy in 2026 - restructuring is only going to keep pushing the years down the road which will further handicap what they can do.

It would be so nice if Jerry were smart enough to do this. And even smarter would be to take some of the cap hits in 26, 27, and 28 and shove them into this year. That would be the only way we could get out of this mess.

 

[75boyz]

I would also add that they manage the big salaries of Hurts, Brown, Dickerson, Johnson, Smith, Maleita and Goedert.......in Dallas its a combination of overpaying 1 above average Qb, like he's elite, AND not knowing how to work the cap.....both can be true

And both are true.
This was my earlier response to a similar post.

 

[kskboys]

Dak is paid because he saved Jerry from being cancelled in 2017. Prescott took a bullet for our owner.

And then started shooting a 50 cal at the team. Save Jerry, screw the team, great plan Dak.

 

[kskboys]

There is no restructure required with Hurts' contract. His salary never exceeds $1.4 million in any given year. What they did with Hurts is build in option bonuses for each year he is under contract. This year he gets a $41 million option bonus which the spread out over 5 years. Next year he gets another $50 million option bonus which is also spread out over 5 years. The same thing is true in 2027 and 2028. In a way the Eagles built in restructure by giving him bonuses every year instead of salary then converting it to bonuses later.

The problem for the Eagles, is what happens if they do not re-sign Hurts after the 2028 season? In that case all of that pro-rated bonus money accelerates into 2029, about $97 million. And on top of that, they have another $81 million of the same time of pro-rated bonuses for other players also in 2029. It is possible that the Eagles would have $178 million in pro-rated bonus money hitting their CAP for players they no longer have on their roster.

But they have another $243 million of this hitting their CAP in 2025 through 2028.

They can avoid some of this problem by releasing the players before their option bonuses are to be paid. And I suspect they will. But if Hurts plays well, how do they release him? It is true they can extend him in 2028 like Dallas did with Dak. That would allow them to shave something like $60 million off the 2029 number not counting whatever they add in the new contract, which I would assume would include a signing bonus.

Yup. Smart contract. Keeps cap low during their window. It's wide open now, deal w/ the cap hits when it closes.

Running QB's don't last long. Hurts has already had injury issues. In all likelihood, his effectiveness is already waning as his legs take hits. Running QBs generally have a shelf life of 4-5 years. And yes, Lamaar is an exception. Cunningham broke his leg in year 4 or 5. Vick was completely ineffective his last 2 seasons w/ ATL.

 

[75boyz]

For all you guys who follow baseball, Daks contract reminds me of Bobby Bonilla's with the NY Mets.
He gets an annual July 1st payment from the team over 1 million dollars through the year 2035.

That's 2035! From a contract signed in 1991 before being traded.
Now that's kicking some debt down the road for sure, lol.

 

[CowboyoWales]

There is no restructure required with Hurts' contract. His salary never exceeds $1.4 million in any given year. What they did with Hurts is build in option bonuses for each year he is under contract. This year he gets a $41 million option bonus which the spread out over 5 years. Next year he gets another $50 million option bonus which is also spread out over 5 years. The same thing is true in 2027 and 2028. In a way the Eagles built in restructure by giving him bonuses every year instead of salary then converting it to bonuses later.

The problem for the Eagles, is what happens if they do not re-sign Hurts after the 2028 season? In that case all of that pro-rated bonus money accelerates into 2029, about $97 million. And on top of that, they have another $81 million of the same time of pro-rated bonuses for other players also in 2029. It is possible that the Eagles would have $178 million in pro-rated bonus money hitting their CAP for players they no longer have on their roster.

But they have another $243 million of this hitting their CAP in 2025 through 2028.

They can avoid some of this problem by releasing the players before their option bonuses are to be paid. And I suspect they will. But if Hurts plays well, how do they release him? It is true they can extend him in 2028 like Dallas did with Dak. That would allow them to shave something like $60 million off the 2029 number not counting whatever they add in the new contract, which I would assume would include a signing bonus.

The point I was making is that the Eagles have a more realistic option to extend the 30 year old Hurts (more than we do Dak) in 2028. As yoy say Roseman can take the earlier hit by declining the annual options, to expediate and reset, if indeed he chooses to re-direct, something he's done before and imaginative to do.

I must be reading Sportrac and OTC, incorrectly (though must admit im no capologist), but cant the Eagles just not take up Hurts option (say 2027) and get away with just a Dead CAP hit of $20m?

 

[kskboys]

And both are true.
This was my earlier response to a similar post.

Yup. It is actually very weird watching people argue that it's one or the other. Manalive, if anyone thinks that Dak has a good contract and/or Jerry and Loonies know how to work the cap, then it's obvious that person has some sort of agenda drivel going, or maybe just doesn't do all that well at thinking.

 

[dupree89]

The reason why the GMs of the Eagles and Chiefs aren't worried about the future so much is because if the don't win in the present then the future won't matter to them. The Joneses know that whether the Cowboys re 17-0 or 0-17 they'll be there so they look 5 years into the future because it matters to them. This attitude vs the GMs that are performing for their livelihood will never win.

excellent excellent point

 

[Kingofholland]

His contract has never been the albatross that the Joneses made it out to be. We need to keep the pressure on the real source of the problem, the Joneses.

We all know these cap figures are movable, but eventually you have to pay for the restructures. However, if you're paying for a restructure from 5 years ago and the cap has gone up its not as bad as it seems. Dak carries a whopping 89 million cap number this year that will surely be restructured and the Cowboys could instantly free up 40+ million in space from it. There's like 4 dummy years in the contract as well to spread out the cap hit. So around a 40 million restructure adds about 6 million a year to future caps. 2026 cap space projects over 80 million in space so yeah there's room to re-sign guys they want + some extra.

 

[Mr_437]

Yesterday's price isn't today's price, Dak is going to cost a lot now. We know what the Joneses are.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

This is why I don't understand fans saying Dak's contract is holding them back from signing free agents. Hell, I'll be to say, like many others, Dak isn't worth $60M but his contract has little or no impact on our free agent signing. That's on Jerry and Stephen.........using Dak's contract as collateral for their agenda.

Dak having a contract at all means that he will be playing for us, and that is holding us back.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

His contract has never been the albatross that the Joneses made it out to be. We need to keep the pressure on the real source of the problem, the Joneses.

yeah, they have forced our team to continue suffering with Dak under center.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

So I guess Burrows, Allen, Love, etc are similar albatross for their teams along with a couple more this year and at least 5 rookies will be in 2 more years all of which will top Dak's contract. Other than Mahomes who probably wins at least 2 to 4 more Super Bowls over the next 7 years means their will be about 10 to 15 albatross for those teams by your logic.

The problem is how the Jones handle the cap. Appears the Chiefs and Eagles aren't concerned about money down the road. And also, if the Eagles and Chiefs defenses weren't really good then neither team would have been in the Super Bowl this year.

LOL Dak Homers comparing him to Burrows, Allend or Love ...

Dak couldnt hold their clipboards !

 

[baltcowboy]

And then started shooting a 50 cal at the team. Save Jerry, screw the team, great plan Dak.

Dak is 4th round talent brother but he took advantage of taking a knee to make millions. Only in America.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

They both suck and they both hold the team back.

We've won more Super Bowls with Jerry as the GM than Dak has total playoff wins.

One is better at their job than the other. One has skins on the wall.

Jerry was GM in name only in those SB years. Jimmy ran the team. If that wasn't the case, why no SBs or even NFC championship games once most of Jimmy's players left?

Just think about it - Jerry left college and spent 25 years in the oil business, Jimmy left college and spent 25 years in football. To say Jerry was the reason, even half the reason, for the 3 SB wins makes zero sense.

Dak ain't great, but the skins on the wall don't belong to Jerry...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Jerry was GM in name only in those SB years. Jimmy ran the team. If that wasn't the case, why no SBs or even NFC championship games once most of Jimmy's players left?

Just think about it - Jerry left college and spent 25 years in the oil business, Jimmy left college and spent 25 years in football. To say Jerry was the reason, even half the reason, for the 3 SB wins makes zero sense.

Dak ain't great, but the skins on the wall don't belong to Jerry...

Did Jimmy hire himself to coach the team?

There is no Jimmy as the Cowboys coach without Jerry.

Maybe it was dumb luck, but it still happened, Dak can't even muster dumb luck to success.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Did Jimmy hire himself to coach the team?

There is no Jimmy as the Cowboys coach without Jerry.

Maybe it was dumb luck, but it still happened, Dak can't even muster dumb luck to success.

Glad for Jerry he has you, heaven knows there ain't a lot of you, lol...