Melvin Gordon's contract vs Zeke's contract

[QuincyCarterEra]

People need to understand that being durable doesn't make you a better football player when on the field.

If you aren't overly elusive, don't break tackles at a high rate, are an average receiver, and your production is easily replaced at multiple points(Alfred Morris & Pollard) you can't possibly be in the discussion for the best back in the league.

 

[Aviano90]

Our run blocking was awful in several games last season. Zeke had to push the pile to get yards in games last season. There wasn’t a lot of room to run last season. Gordon is a big step down from Zeke.

Maybe but their line is a big step down from ours and has been for years

 

[ESisback]

As I'm typing that, I cant recall a Dallas team that contained more dudes that I absolutely cannot stand.

Very unlikable bunch. Act like they've done something. They cant even take a division that's basically handed to them.

Most players are that way nowdays. They act like they’ve done something. They posture, they strut and dance, they hold out. Yeah, I’m pissed about last year, and yeah, I think it’s pathetic, because it was practically handed to them on a silver platter. I just try to focus on the good stuff, because it’s more enjoyable. There are plenty of bad guys on our team, but also good. I’d definitely have a beer with our OL, Dak, Sean Lee, LVE, Coop—all good guys, and I’m sure there’s more.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Our run blocking was awful in several games last season. Zeke had to push the pile to get yards in games last season. There wasn’t a lot of room to run last season. Gordon is a big step down from Zeke.

So he had to actually create for himself instead of take ads blocked for him? And it didn't work? I'm shocked.

"There wasn't a lot of room to run last season" yet our OL was top ten in both accredited OL rushing sources. PFF and FBO
And our rookie 4th round RB ran for 5.3 yards a pop. Sounds like plenty of room.

 

[KJJ]

How would you compare the offensive lines each has played behind and could that possibly narrow the gap?

I just posted to you that our run blocking wasn’t that good last season. I saw very little of the Chargers last season so I can’t speak to their OL but Gordon’s career numbers aren’t anything to write home about. He’s not nearly as powerful between the tackles as Zeke. Zeke consistently pushed the pile for 4 to 5 yards last season. He picks up a lot of tough yards. Gordon isn’t nearly as productive and he’s had trouble staying healthy.

 

[blueblood70]

He was the best RB in the league in 2016. He was not the best in the league in 2017, 2018, or 2019.

he doesnt have to be "the best"

hes been one of THE BEST every year and BTW he won the rushing title 16/18 so yes he was THE BEST and in a shortened 17 campaign he LED THE LEAGUE in YPG AVG nearly got 1k in 10games with all those distractions and ad to the last years alleged down year 1800 all purpose yards, double digit TDs, and finished 4th 30yard short of 3rd..he also led the league in first half Yards , we threw more, had some suspect play calling the 2nd half of games where zeke was HOT and they deiced to let dak FAIL.. right,

hater hate...

you are blinded by idiots who try to break down his speed and weight and are WRONG.. Emmitt smith was never fast hardly had any splash plays, he also didnt have great Yearly overall YPC and was considered a volume back with great durability.. hes now in the HOF as the #1 back of all time, he was always top paid back but sometimes Barry or Thurman had better season..

Zekes the same type of player and yet he called slow and fat and out of shape and its not true..oh wait he taps out, not true in the sense that coaches let him sub himself and he hardly ever came out of games as a blocker, runner, and catching passes.. it was so exaggerated its insane as he was 3 carries short of Henry for most in the nfl.. odd dude taps out a lot at the top in carries.. I saw the picture of the PB , he looks like honed athlete in that pic , its about angles and how much rib protection he has on in pictures etc but somehow an elite player who can carry the ball the most of any back over 4 years is fat and out of shape and taps out a lot.. SMH

Id say he did just fine.. no player is #1 every season, they stay great, even elite but theres always a challenger and it goes back and forth..all sports are like is..

 

[ESisback]

So am I, ashamed that the big headed, purse carrying cry baby punk diva wears the Star. I’ll be throwing a “Zeke is gone” party the minute we get rid of him, unfortunately I’ll have to wait another few years of watching more critical players walk because of the ridiculous contract Jerry handed out.

The fact that Zeke is laughing shows how bad the contract is because that implies even he knows it.

Yeah, I’m not in love with Zeke the person....at all.

 

[Proof]

So am I, ashamed that the big headed, purse carrying cry baby punk diva wears the Star. I’ll be throwing a “Zeke is gone” party the minute we get rid of him, unfortunately I’ll have to wait another few years of watching more critical players walk because of the ridiculous contract Jerry handed out.

The fact that Zeke is laughing shows how bad the contract is because that implies even he knows it.

Well wait I do agree that it was stupid for the Giants to draft Barkley for exactly what you said. They wasted a year on Eli and then have to wait for Daniel Jones to develop. Wasting Barkley's rookie contract on developmental years.
So from that aspect that was stupid I do agree.

But drafting Barkley itself wasn't the problem. He was good enough to be the best player drafted. Just was drafted by the wrong team IMO.

The same way you feel about drafting running back early is how I feel about drafting guard early. I feel like I can find a guard later on in the draft. I think LT is the only position I take in the top 10. For me to take a guard.....it will have to be later on in the draft.

Nelson is the exception. Not only was he arguably the best player, he was easily the safest player in the draft. On top of being a massive position of need. They waited and drafted Hernandez, which on paper seemed smart and fortunate, but for as highly a prospect as he was regarded he can’t hold Nelson’s jock strap.

 

[KJJ]

Maybe but their line is a big step down from ours and has been for years

Not going us use the OL as an excuse. Backs are judged on their numbers not their OL.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

That signing dont make sense the Broncos had a pair a of pretty decent backs.

As a Cowboys fan living in Denver, no. The Broncos did not have a pair of decent backs, they didn't really even have one.

 

[ultron]

Zeke’s real numbers are 4yr/$55mil towards the cap (which is really the only thing that actually matters), after that - if he sucks they’ll cut him. Zeke is a far superior back in every facet of football.

Let’s take a look at his contract:

Zeke:
6yr/$90 million
Agent: Rocky Arceneaux

2020 cap hit: $10.9m
2020 dead money: $25.8m

2021 cap hit: $13.7m
2021 dead money: $14.9m

2022 cap hit: $16.5m
2022 dead money: $10.8m

2023 cap hit: $15m
2023 dead money: 6.7m

2024 cap hit: 12.6m
2024 dead money: 2.6m (not a big hit at all - they couldopt to cut him after the 2023 season if he sucks, so thiscontract is really a 4 year contract if we’re beinghonest)

2025 cap hit: $15.4m
No dead money

2026: $16.6m
No dead money

I love this contract and here’s a link to check out for a lot more details:https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/cowboy...down-jerry-jones-todd-gurley-comparisons/amp/

 

[Aviano90]

Not going us use the OL as an excuse. Backs are judged on their numbers not their OL.

Fair enough. That apply to QBs and their weapons too?

 

[aria]

Our run blocking was awful in several games last season. Zeke had to push the pile to get yards in games last season. There wasn’t a lot of room to run last season. Gordon is a big step down from Zeke.

Yet they were somehow still ranked as the second best run blocking team in the league. I’d hate to see him behind a line like Barkley had that was ranked 25th.

 

[ESisback]

I just posted to you that our run blocking wasn’t that good last season. I saw very little of the Chargers last season so I can’t speak to their OL but Gordon’s career numbers aren’t anything to write home about. He’s not nearly as powerful between the tackles as Zeke. Zeke consistently pushed the pile for 4 to 5 yards last season. He picks up a lot of tough yards. Gordon isn’t nearly as productive and he’s had trouble staying healthy.

Don’t care for Zeke the person, but I like him as our RB1, however overpaid. But I agree that our run blocking last year was very iffy.

I gotta say though, he seemed to lack passion or something. Too many times he seemed to take the handoff and just run into the crowd. Low success percentage.

 

[Proof]

Melvin Gordon used to make me pull out my hair when he played against my NCAA team. I wanted him to be a Cowboy so bad. But I do think Zeke is better.

he was awesome at Wisconsin, not coincidentally known for their OL’s. In the pros he’s been far better as a fantasy player than in real life.

 

[Aviano90]

he doesnt have to be "the best"

hes been one of THE BEST every year and BTW he won the rushing title 16/18 so yes he was THE BEST and in a shortened 17 campaign he LED THE LEAGUE in YPG AVG nearly got 1k in 10games with all those distractions and ad to the last years alleged down year 1800 all purpose yards, double digit TDs, and finished 4th 30yard short of 3rd..he also led the league in first half Yards , we threw more, had some suspect play calling the 2nd half of games where zeke was HOT and they deiced to let dak FAIL.. right,

hater hate...

you are blinded by idiots who try to break down his speed and weight and are WRONG.. Emmitt smith was never fast hardly had any splash plays, he also didnt have great Yearly overall YPC and was considered a volume back with great durability.. hes now in the HOF as the #1 back of all time, he was always top paid back but sometimes Barry or Thurman had better season..

Zekes the same type of player and yet he called slow and fat and out of shape and its not true..oh wait he taps out, not true in the sense that coaches let him sub himself and he hardly ever came out of games as a blocker, runner, and catching passes.. it was so exaggerated its insane as he was 3 carries short of Henry for most in the nfl.. odd dude taps out a lot at the top in carries.. I saw the picture of the PB , he looks like honed athlete in that pic , its about angles and how much rib protection he has on in pictures etc but somehow an elite player who can carry the ball the most of any back over 4 years is fat and out of shape and taps out a lot.. SMH

Id say he did just fine.. no player is #1 every season, they stay great, even elite but theres always a challenger and it goes back and forth..all sports are like is..

He doesn’t do anything special except be a workhorse. We have Dak and Dunk and Zeke for 4.

 

[KJJ]

So he had to actually create for himself instead of take ads blocked for him? And it didn't work? I'm shocked.

"There wasn't a lot of room to run last season" yet our OL was top ten in both accredited OL rushing sources. PFF and FBO
And our rookie 4th round RB ran for 5.3 yards a pop. Sounds like plenty of room.

That’s a ridiculous stat, if an RB breaks free the stat credits the OL. There wasn’t a lot of room for Zeke to run last season. He was completely shut down in a couple of games against the Vikings and the Lions where he averaged under 3.0 a carry. It was like running into a brick wall. This is just one article on our run blocking woes last season. As for our fourth round RB his rushing average was jacked up due to a long run he had against the Rams. Lol He got stuffed in some short yardage situations including a big third down against Philly late in the season. So you would rather have Pollard as the starter? Lol

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/in...ds-to-be-more-consistent-in-run-blocking/amp/

 

[aria]

Nelson is the exception. Not only was he arguably the best player, he was easily the safest player in the draft. On top of being a massive position of need. They waited and drafted Hernandez, which on paper seemed smart and fortunate, but for as highly a prospect as he was regarded he can’t hold Nelson’s jock strap.

Even if Barkley was the BPA it was dumb as hell for the Giants to pick him. Taking the BPA every draft is a recipe for disaster unless you have several positions of need and that player is not only one of them but makes sense for the current goals of the team.

 

[Proof]

Even if Barkley was the BPA it was dumb as hell for the Giants to pick him. Taking the BPA every draft is a recipe for disaster unless you have several positions of need and that player is not only one of them but makes sense for the current goals of the team.

the only reason I give them a bit of a pass is because he’s such an electric playmaker. It’s hard not to fall in love with a guy like that. Especially paired with Odell. It was the wrong move but entirely understandable

 

[Proof]

As a Cowboys fan living in Denver, no. The Broncos did not have a pair of decent backs, they didn't really even have one.

lindsay is a stud. They just refuse to ride him for some reason