Time is up to give Dak the benefit of the doubt

[bcavi]

Your opinion was that another poster should not have an opinion. If true, there is no real need for your opinion or mine. Really , CZ would be useless because it consist of opinions.

What? I didn't agree. Don't start this implying something that I never stated in my post as fact. That is the weird way some posters do on this board. Clearly, when somebody states something on this board, it is 99% of the time an opinion. You agreed with the OP. I don't.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What? I didn't agree. Don't start this implying something that I never stated in my post as fact. That is the weird way some posters do on this board. Clearly, when somebody states something on this board, it is 99% of the time an opinion. You agreed with the OP. I don't.

Why not, you literally just did the very same thing in your last post to me. Think about it now.

 

[bcavi]

Why not, you literally just did the very same thing in your last post to me. Think about it now.

Lol. Sorry, you are not that deep, mr. I twist things around to win... Hilarious.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol. Sorry, you are not that deep, mr. I twist things around to win... Hilarious.

Here again, you are doing exactly what you accused the previous poster of doing. Truth is I'm not all that deep. I see things and come to a conclusion on what those things mean to me and that's the extent of it, most times. I don't claim to be more then that so I guess I have no beef with you on that. But I'm not twisting anything here. You made claims I never said, and all you have to do is go back and read the posts. You are accusing another poster of doing exactly the same things you, yourself, are trying to accuse others of. This is not a win and lose situation. I already know what I've said is factual. It's a win or lose thing for you perhaps but it isn't for me. That's just not the case.

 

[bcavi]

Here again, you are doing exactly what you accused the previous poster of doing. Truth is I'm not all that deep. I see things and come to a conclusion on what those things mean to me and that's the extent of it, most times. I don't claim to be more then that so I guess I have no beef with you on that. But I'm not twisting anything here. You made claims I never said, and all you have to do is go back and read the posts. You are accusing another poster of doing exactly the same things you, yourself, are trying to accuse others of. This is not a win and lose situation. I already know what I've said is factual. It's a win or lose thing for you perhaps but it isn't for me. That's just not the case.

If it makes you feel better. You're right. Have a nice day.

Side note. I really don't know what you are accusing me of. Clearly I stated my opinion against the OP. I did not say my opinion is factual. If you read that much into it, as in he/she should not have an opinion, I'm sorry. Never said someone should not have an opinion, but here we are with you stating "facts" and all.

You did not say anything more about the Joneses waiting to sign Dak. You said it is France, yadda yadda.... You just faded away on that front. Why?

Again, I am a little bewildered that you just speak out the side of your neck and are hammering the fictitious argument that I said a person cannot have an opinion, when I stated one of my own. I guess I have to start my posts with the statement.."In my opinion..." Look at the posts on this board. People are opinionated. It goes without saying. Seems like you are arguing with yourself on this. I think it is pretty funny.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If it makes you feel better. You're right. Have a nice day.

Side note. I really don't know what you are accusing me of. Clearly I stated my opinion against the OP. I did not say my opinion is factual. If you read that much into it, as in he/she should not have an opinion, I'm sorry. Never said someone should not have an opinion, but here we are with you stating "facts" and all.

You did not say anything more about the Joneses waiting to sign Dak. You said it is France, yadda yadda.... You just faded away on that front. Why?

Again, I am a little bewildered that you just speak out the side of your neck and are hammering the fictitious argument that I said a person cannot have an opinion, when I stated one of my own. I guess I have to start my posts with the statement.."In my opinion..." Look at the posts on this board. People are opinionated. It goes without saying. Seems like you are arguing with yourself on this. I think it is pretty funny.

Full disclosure, doesn't make me feel anything one way or the other. It's a couple of post on a message board with a poster who has been here about a minute. I got nothing invested.

In terms of your opinion, I said in my very first post that if any given thing is your opinion, cool. I don't agree with that opinion but I also said that folks don't always see things the way any given poster does so again, cool.

I did say that the team has been trying to sign Dak, literally for years. I said that the entire mantra on "The team waited to long to try and sign him" was a bunch of BS. Truth is, the team has been trying to but the actual point is that it was never ever going to happen from the day CAA was hired. It's an example of why and how Dak has been driving this thing. That's not on the team.

France and CAA is driving this thing. Anybody can see it but if that's not how you see it, cool. So fading away is not really the issue. You resort to opinions like "ignorant" etc. That's not a honest way to have any sort of discussion. Why in the world should I waste thoughts, time, personal resources on discussing anything with you? You see this as a win/lose scenario. I don't. That entire view is a waste of time IMO. Why would I engage in that kind of diatribe?

For the record, IMO is used on this board as a short cut for writing "In my opinion." I use it all the time because it's important to make it clear that it is just my opinion. You'll eventually learn that or, at least, I think you'll eventually learn that, I suspect. So yes, in short, that's exactly what you should do, IMO.

Gotta get busy finishing up my Corn Beef and Cabbage. You have a great day!

 

[wilfred]

You are absolutely correct!! 33 million plus all the endorsements of being the cowboys quarterback. Not good enough, hit the road! Too much talent around him to think he’s the difference maker. If you want 35+ put the team on your back and win that game in philly!

 

[CT Dal Fan]

You are absolutely correct!! 33 million plus all the endorsements of being the cowboys quarterback. Not good enough, hit the road! Too much talent around him to think he’s the difference maker. If you want 35+ put the team on your back and win that game in philly!

Yeah, Dak, win the game in Philly with a bum throwing shoulder and a coaching staff that makes you pass 44 times and gives Zeke the ball 13 times. In what was never more than a two score game.

Not attacking you, just saying that Eagles game was lost by Jason Garrett and company.

 

[keysersoze]

Time is up to give Dak the benefit of the doubt.

I think this organization has been more than fair to Dak with their offer They have indicated they are willing to gamble everything on him despite (let’s be honest) him not proving himself yet. They’ve already taken the step to offer more than he’s worth.

Last year, even the first three stellar weeks, accuracy was still (and always will be) a problem.

And for the life of me, I don’t understand how he doesn’t realize that QB of Dallas Cowboys is worth 10x more in his post NFL life and endorsements than going to a small market afterthought.

He has proven he does not care anything about this franchise and his teammates. Surprising, yes, but now clear to any unbiased observer.

It is time to seek trade offers from other teams and think about moving on. We do not want to hitch our wagon to this horse.

Have you ever played football or any sport for contracts and currency? If not shut up and stop speaking on another man’s money. Who are you to say what’s fair and what isn’t? Why should Dak take less than his peers who were drafted the same year but ain’t had the individual success he’s had? What makes Dak less valuable? Why should he have to bow down and accept less than he feels he’s worth? How would you like it if a customer told you not to ask for a raise and accept whatever they want to pay you??? Man. I swear. The thought process of you people is atrocious and hypocritical. You all ain’t paying his salary no matter what he signs for. So shut the —— up and let those who get paid to determine these things do what they do.

 

[jaythecowboy]

do you work for the government in finance? So we pay him a ton of money, which means there is a lot less money for other players, but that allows us to sign more players ? That math works only if the bill never comes due. Even Jerry has figured this out.

It lowers the cap hit the first couple years, and the increasing salary cap will cover it as it rises

 

[AtomicDog]

Time is up to give Dak the benefit of the doubt.

I think this organization has been more than fair to Dak with their offer They have indicated they are willing to gamble everything on him despite (let’s be honest) him not proving himself yet. They’ve already taken the step to offer more than he’s worth.

Last year, even the first three stellar weeks, accuracy was still (and always will be) a problem.

And for the life of me, I don’t understand how he doesn’t realize that QB of Dallas Cowboys is worth 10x more in his post NFL life and endorsements than going to a small market afterthought.

He has proven he does not care anything about this franchise and his teammates. Surprising, yes, but now clear to any unbiased observer.

It is time to seek trade offers from other teams and think about moving on. We do not want to hitch our wagon to this horse.

The man needs to get as much as he cant get. I would. He doesnt owe the franchise a thing. He's been a starter for 4 years playing for peanuts.

 

[Swagger]

The whole situation is waiting to unravel.

I'm hoping that Prescott hasn't signed a long term contract by the draft.

Say Herbert drops to 17 then we pull the trigger.

We try to trade Prescott but that would involve various variables working out.

It's highly unlikely but I still have that hope.

I expect Prescott to eventually be signed to a long term deal, in turn knee capping the team for as long as he's around.

It makes me laugh as so many posters on here will be gloating about Prescott signing a long term deal whilst the rest of us will foresee the reality that it would essentially be the beginning of the end for this team.

Deep down I already think we have butchered the Superbowl window over the past 4 years given the O Line is getting older and more injury prone but we still have some quality in key areas so with a QB that can actually win by being a gamechanger when required, there was/is still hope

 

[jnday]

You don't like Dak. I get it, but you are going to have to pay the piper. Dak is not a franchise QB? Look at Quinn's contract, Byron Jones. It is going to happen whether you like it or not. 38 mil is my upper limit, but would not hesitate to pay him 35 mil. It is being reported it is the years, and not the amount, anyway. So I think 35 mil is already out there. You may want another QB, but you are going to have suck it up. Dak is here to stay. Sorry. I feel for you when it happens.

38 million may be reasonable for the top three QBs in the league in the future. Right now the Wilson is making 35 million a year which is the highest salary. Dak has done nothing to become the highest paid QB in the league. It would be bad business to overpay Dak or any other QB in the league unless they are a Brady or P. Manning clone. Don’t worry, I can live another ten years without seeing the Cowboys winning a Super a Bowl. Overpaying Dak to the point where they can’t afford the talent that he needs around him is going to happen. The Dak lovers will suffer for the next ten years just like me. There are some exceptions among the posters on this board. They are the ones that are Dak fans instead of Cowboy fans. They will jump for joy when Dallas overpays Dak and ruins the ability to build a Super Bowl team due to the salary cap.

 

[jnday]

What? I didn't agree. Don't start this implying something that I never stated in my post as fact. That is the weird way some posters do on this board. Clearly, when somebody states something on this board, it is 99% of the time an opinion. You agreed with the OP. I don't.

I agree with the OP being able to express his opinion about player’s money or any other opinion he may want to share. I may have misunderstood you, but from what I gathered from your comments, you was telling him that his opinion shouldn’t be shared on some topics.

 

[DandyDon52]

I’m sorry the English language is too complicated for you. I’ll avoid expressions above third grade level from now on.

hey I will have you know, I am at 5th grade level !!!!!!!!!!
you should work on comprehension, as you didnt understand the question.

 

[jnday]

The whole situation is waiting to unravel.

I'm hoping that Prescott hasn't signed a long term contract by the draft.

Say Herbert drops to 17 then we pull the trigger.

We try to trade Prescott but that would involve various variables working out.

It's highly unlikely but I still have that hope.

I expect Prescott to eventually be signed to a long term deal, in turn knee capping the team for as long as he's around.

It makes me laugh as so many posters on here will be gloating about Prescott signing a long term deal whilst the rest of us will foresee the reality that it would essentially be the beginning of the end for this team.

Deep down I already think we have butchered the Superbowl window over the past 4 years given the O Line is getting older and more injury prone but we still have some quality in key areas so with a QB that can actually win by being a gamechanger when required, there was/is still hope

Yes, they will be cheering as the Cowboys slide right on into cap hell because they overplayed a QB with so many limitations. No single player should be paid to the point where is ruins the salary cap for the team.

 

[jnday]

Have you ever played football or any sport for contracts and currency? If not shut up and stop speaking on another man’s money. Who are you to say what’s fair and what isn’t? Why should Dak take less than his peers who were drafted the same year but ain’t had the individual success he’s had? What makes Dak less valuable? Why should he have to bow down and accept less than he feels he’s worth? How would you like it if a customer told you not to ask for a raise and accept whatever they want to pay you??? Man. I swear. The thought process of you people is atrocious and hypocritical. You all ain’t paying his salary no matter what he signs for. So shut the —— up and let those who get paid to determine these things do what they do.

There you go. Cheer the team on while they ruin any chances of a Super Bowl in the next decade. Way to tell somebody that they have no right to make comments that you disagree with.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yet you are the one that seems incapable of reading. IF you read about the Cowboys you would know that money isnt the issue with the contract and that the length was. Dak actually wants a shorter contract. ITs the Cowboys that are trying to get greedy here.

True, some people here just dont seem to understand that it is the length not the amount of yearly pay. They also dont get about why only the yearly pay numbers have been leaked by the jones boys.
They want to make it look like they offered dak this amount and he turned it down, so he is the
bad guy.
They also dont get that QB's salary is not determined by how good they are, it is how much the
team wants that QB, and if they do, then they have to pay the market value, or get another QB.
Aside from taking brady, which is no longer a choice, Dak is the best choice for dallas.
It is very hard to draft a good QB, that is better than Dak.
Mariota, mayfield, trubisky, winston, haskins, were all top picks, that have failed, or probably will fail, and I cant see where any of those are better than dak.

 

[bcavi]

38 million may be reasonable for the top three QBs in the league in the future. Right now the Wilson is making 35 million a year which is the highest salary. Dak has done nothing to become the highest paid QB in the league. It would be bad business to overpay Dak or any other QB in the league unless they are a Brady or P. Manning clone. Don’t worry, I can live another ten years without seeing the Cowboys winning a Super a Bowl. Overpaying Dak to the point where they can’t afford the talent that he needs around him is going to happen. The Dak lovers will suffer for the next ten years just like me. There are some exceptions among the posters on this board. They are the ones that are Dak fans instead of Cowboy fans. They will jump for joy when Dallas overpays Dak and ruins the ability to build a Super Bowl team due to the salary cap.

I agree with you actually, up until the point of ruining the team. They just need to get it over with. I would love for Dak to take 30 mil or less, but realistically, it is not happening at this point. I do think Dak is worth more than Goff or Wentz, and with his contract being up, it just needs to be done. Dak's worth is perceivable value, and not actually his worth. In other words, Dak is not a top 3 QB, but his value, based upon recently signed contracts, just goes up because the market is trending that way. I have no sympathy for this FO waiting to the point that they have, and now want sympathy from fans because Dak seems greedy. I have a problem with that. Overall, if you look at why we are here, and 25 years since our last superbowl, it is not too difficult to not blame our illustrious owner and his mishandling of the team.

 

[bcavi]

I agree with the OP being able to express his opinion about player’s money or any other opinion he may want to share. I may have misunderstood you, but from what I gathered from your comments, you was telling him that his opinion shouldn’t be shared on some topics.

I was expressing what I felt about his post, nothing more, nothing less. I don't have any control of another person's post, nor do I want to. But, like all of us, we respond when we don't agree to something, and I did not agree with their view. Especially stating Dak does not care about the team (franchise) and his teammates (how can he/she know that? An opinion, and I expressed what I thought. A differing opinion.). That was a bit much, in addition, when a player is in contract talks, just let the man be. He's doing him, and not taking into account what fans think.