Lets go get Griffen and we are good to go

[Sydla]

Based on his age and history of players who are 30 plus.

So you have documented history that shows a majority of players over 30 really don't care and just show up for a paycheck?

Care to point us in that direction of that study?

Did we screw up in bringing in McCoy?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Has that been confirmed or just assumed (I'm guessing the losses of Quinn and Jones)?

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

This has Quinn changed to a 4th. It was a 3rd.

 

[gjkoeppen]

With Poe coming on board Griffen fills a huge spot at RDE rotate him with Gregory and this is the best line on paper that we have had in recent memory. Draft CB, S, WR, BPA and lets go.

The first thing I think of when people say go get this older player to go along with this older player they just got is the 2000 skins who went out and got all the big names they could and all were older like Bruce Smith, Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkerson all along the defensive front four, all big names at the time and the skins thought they were going to have the best defense in the league but at the end of the season their defense ranked lower than the season before. Why, they were all older so their speed slowed, not as quick off the line or able to move fast enough to grab a back going by.

Now I don't know what type of money he's looking for but for a starting player to sit this long after free agency started there has to be a reason that all the teams are aware of that have stopped them from going after him.
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[TheMarathonContinues]

Of course they are rentals. That's the point and why teams find value in them if they think they can still play.

1) It fills a clear need that you may or may not fill in the draft
2) These older guys often come on the cheap and for short term contracts relative to younger options. Given that, they usually don't have any real impact on the long term cap. So you can get a productive player that fills a hole for you, it allows you more flexibility in the draft and typically, they are gone in a year or two and don't hurt your cap at all.

I didn’t deny any of the above. He said this move allows us to go BPA. I disagree. You still need to addresss your needs. Just because you sign Griffin or Poe doesn’t mean defensive line isn’t a need anymore.

 

[Redball Express]

With Poe coming on board Griffen fills a huge spot at RDE rotate him with Gregory and this is the best line on paper that we have had in recent memory. Draft CB, S, WR, BPA and lets go.

Do we really want to spend everything right now.?

With McCoy and Poe signed..

we just have other urgent needs like C and slot receiver.

S and CB will be draft. Maybe slot is draft.

Just think Griffen is a luxury at this point. With Beards monies tied up until 2021..

I think we wait.

No?

 

[Silver N Blue]

With Poe coming on board Griffen fills a huge spot at RDE rotate him with Gregory and this is the best line on paper that we have had in recent memory. Draft CB, S, WR, BPA and lets go.

.Need a C on the list who can illustrate play calling and block before another WR is added. IMO

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not sure it's really prudent to make decisions solely on whether or not we'll get a comp pick.

I think in the last 20 years, Jerry has hit well on one of them (Prescott), although I was a big David Buehler fan and Ken Bishop did win a Grey Cup in the CFL

I’m actually really buying into 1 year deals that turn into compensatory picks if you let them walk.

Of course if someone legit is available then you go get that guy but the more draft picks we have the better.

I don’t see us competing for a Super Bowl next year anyways.. Free agency has hit us too hard.

 

[Sydla]

I didn’t deny any of the above. He said this move allows us to go BPA. I disagree. You still need to addresss your needs. Just because you sign Griffin or Poe doesn’t mean defensive line isn’t a need anymore.

It absolutely gives you more flexibility in the draft.

 

[Tussinman]

I didn’t deny any of the above. He said this move allows us to go BPA. I disagree. You still need to addresss your needs. Just because you sign Griffin or Poe doesn’t mean defensive line isn’t a need anymore.

Agreed.

Addressing it would be signing a younger free agent to a longer deal (someone like Michael Pierce, Danny Shelton, Shelby Harris). In that case you could change your draft a little bit

 

[fivetwos]

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

This has Quinn changed to a 4th. It was a 3rd.

Man I wish those picks were for this year.

An extra 3rd and 4th in this draft would be huge.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So you have documented history that shows a majority of players over 30 really don't care and just show up for a paycheck?

Care to point us in that direction of that study?

Did we screw up in bringing in McCoy?

I don’t know if we have screwed up on McCoy yet. And check the history of teams with defensive lines that are 30 plus. It doesn’t end well.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Agreed.

Addressing it would be signing a younger free agent to a longer deal (someone like Michael Pierce, Danny Shelton, Shelby Harris). In that case you could change your draft a little bit

Thank you. Exactly. I’m not making moves as if I’m set because I got a 30 year old sitting there. That’s foolish.

 

[Cowboyny]

It has everything to do with teams ignoring him so far, otherwise, he would have signed.

He was the one who declined his option, most likely asking too much.

-There has been some rumblings that the team may want more of a stand-up RE. If true, we cannot rule out a 3-4 OLB type.
-49ers had elite, 3-4 DE's, if I remember right, Justin Smith/Ray McDonald were real good. Maybe they bring in that type of DE.
-Would really like Griffen/Vernon and groom their replacement, but we may see a player like Mike Daniels instead.

 

[fivetwos]

I’m actually really buying into 1 year deals that turn into compensatory picks if you let them walk.

Of course if someone legit is available then you go get that guy but the more draft picks we have the better.

I don’t see us competing for a Super Bowl next year anyways.. Free agency has hit us too hard.

They have to sign a fairly large contract for that pick to amount to anything.

Griffin, as an example, would have a tough time getting a huge deal from anyone at 33, really no matter what he does on his prove it deal.

Someone will give him 2/15, but it wont be Dallas.

I doubt they are in on him at all.

 

[Sydla]

I don’t know if we have screwed up on McCoy yet. And check the history of teams with defensive lines that are 30 plus. It doesn’t end well.

I'll ask again. Can you provide the backup information and data that shows a significant number of players over 30 don't care anymore and just show up to get paid and don't play hard. Also, can you now provide the data that shows teams with defensive lines that are 30+ underperform?

FWIW, the average age of our DL if we brought Griffen in would be............26.9 years. 5 players under 30, 3 over it (Poe is 29 but will be 30 by the start of the season) and one of them would be Crawford, who you could cut to get younger.

And that's just the 2 deep. If you throw in Jelks and Jackson it goes even lower.

 

[LifetimeBoysFan]

Griffin ain’t never been of Wares caliber. Sure Brady is 43 and playing but that doesn’t mean Matt Stafford will do the same.

I’m not suggesting they are same caliber only that age 32 your football career isn’t incapable of being productive. Otherwise all players would retire by that rationale.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’m not suggesting they are same caliber only that age 32 your football career is incapable of being productive. Otherwise all players would retire by that rationale.

You can be productive at 32. Just like you can be productive at 42. That's not how you build a team though hoping a 32 year old is still in his prime.

I'll ask again. Can you provide the backup information and data that shows a significant number of players over 30 don't care anymore and just show up to get paid and don't play hard. Also, can you now provide the data that shows teams with defensive lines that are 30+ underperform?

FWIW, the average age of our DL if we brought Griffen in would be............26.9 years. 5 players under 30, 3 over it (Poe is 29 but will be 30 by the start of the season) and one of them would be Crawford, who you could cut to get younger.

And that's just the 2 deep. If you throw in Jelks and Jackson it goes even lower.

I'm talking about the starters. Lawrence should be 27 or 28. Poe 30, McCoy 32 and you are suggesting signing Griffin which would be 32. That's a old defensive line.

And why are you asking me to provide this information? You are the one disagreeing with me correct? Why don't you provide the info to backup your stance that adding 3 30 year old defensive linemen is wise.

 

[morasp]

And Richarson or Dorsett and a CB.

 

[DBOY3141]

And Richarson or Dorsett and a CB.

Dorsett signed in Seattle

 

[OmerV]

I lay odds that Dallas doesn't sign Griffin and puts Crawford/Gregory at RDE in 2020.

I agree. They have already committed a lot of resources to the D-Line with D-Law last year and McCoy and Poe this year. I think they are done with signing more on the D-Line unless it is for depth or rotation.