Twitter: Dallas Still Has $28.56M in Cap space

[Kolemmitt]

Tell me again how we are going to pay Dak 30+ million a yr when we only have about 22 mill realistically (according to an earlier poster) or even the 28 mill mentioned in this piece. The math doesn't add up to me.

That cap figure already includes his tag. If he signs a long term extension, his cap figure will actually go down, and we could free up another 8 to 10 million.
We really are in great shape.

 

[starfrombirth]

That cap figure already includes his tag. If he signs a long term extension, his cap figure will actually go down, and we could free up another 8 to 10 million.
We really are in great shape.

Ah.. thank you. I didn't realize it included his tag since it hasn't been signed yet. I appreciate the info. SOOooo many posters get all persnikety in their answers when they know more than someone else.

 

[Kolemmitt]

So why didn’t we sign Byron again?

I think the Cowboys would have liked to have Jones, Quinn, and Cobb in '20, but I think the issue is the long-term commitment. The new staff wants to mold the team the way they want it, but you cant do it all in one offseason, so you do what you can this year with short-term contracts, giving long term contracts only to guys that you are 100 percent on, such as Coop, Jatwin, and Dak. Then, when the '21 offseason rolls around, we still have space and flexibility to continue molding the team the way MM wants it.
That's why I would not be shocked to see a 1-year deal for Clowney or Griffen. Makes us better in '20, but still gives us space and flexibility in '21.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Please. How in the hell am I suppose to know you are talking about Byron? What does Byron have to do with the discussion? We are talking about depth....I honestly thought you were mentioning some undrafted rookie or something they signed. You are all over the place.

What is your point about Byron? That we should've re-signed him?

You have to get off of your high horse. You have never ONCE admitted you are wrong even though multiple people disagree with you. I bring you facts and stats and you still won't admit that you are wrong or even admit that you didn't think of that angle. So save the whole "you can't admit when you're wrong" spill you are on.

Well, how many Byrons have we had on the team? Be that as it may, point is the same. I've seen it before. You would be wrong in terms of admitting when I'm wrong. I am occasionally wrong and when I am, I own it.

But you don't want to hear this, I get it. Nobody does but it doesn't mean it will fix things if things go South.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We very likely will get a 3rd round pick for Byron. I have to believe the comp pick factor played a part in the cowboys decision.

1st round pick is what we used. We might, might, get a third round pick back after the first 98 players are gone. I don't see how that's a great deal.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, how many Byrons have we had on the team? Be that as it may, point is the same. I've seen it before. You would be wrong in terms of admitting when I'm wrong. I am occasionally wrong and when I am, I own it.

But you don't want to hear this, I get it. Nobody does but it doesn't mean it will fix things if things go South.

Please...I've never heard you admit you were wrong lol. And that's fine. Not saying you have to own it. But don't sit here and tell me that you do because that is a lie. Like now you are stuck on this whole Byron talk....I asked you what was your point about bringing up Byron? We were talking about depth and then you bring up Byron Jones as if his loss is a depth issue. So yeah I didn't think you were talking about Byron Jones. That is my mistake. I've owned up to that. Why are you still going on about it?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Please...I've never heard you admit you were wrong lol. And that's fine. Not saying you have to own it. But don't sit here and tell me that you do because that is a lie. Like now you are stuck on this whole Byron talk....I asked you what was your point about bringing up Byron? We were talking about depth and then you bring up Byron Jones as if his loss is a depth issue. So yeah I didn't think you were talking about Byron Jones. That is my mistake. I've owned up to that. Why are you still going on about it?

I see, so because you've never heard it, it doesn't happen. Of course, of course. So here's the good news. You will get your shot. This will happen to this team and when it does, we'll see.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I see, so because you've never heard it, it doesn't happen. Of course, of course. So here's the good news. You will get your shot. This will happen to this team and when it does, we'll see.

What are you talking about? So are you going to answer my question? What was your point about bringing Byron up?

 

[Chuck 54]

Don’t expect to see Dallas spend all that cap money. Look how much they had last year and refused to spend, carrying it over. It’s great to have that room to sign a guy who may be attractive, but they will still refuse to overpay anyone...that screws up the salary structure. They could have had Earl Thomas easily last year, but they didn’t think he was worth the money and just held onto it. If a DE or other player still out there drops the asking price to what Dallas likes, they will sign someone. If not, it won’t matter that the player makes us better. They won’t spend the money just because they have it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What are you talking about? So are you going to answer my question? What was your point about bringing Byron up?

Did you post this:

We got 28 million in cap space WITH Dak's 31 million and Travis Fredericks on our payroll. That whole "Cap hell" from fans is just a excuse they use to pay Dak.

That's my point. It's wrong and I said this pages ago. We are already seeing the effects of it, Byron is case in point yet you post this and say you don't want to hear from fans who claim we will have issues. Well, you are wrong on all points.

You knew this and yet you carry on for pages with this. OK, your deal.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Did you post this:



That's my point. It's wrong and I said this pages ago. We are already seeing the effects of it, Byron is case in point yet you post this and say you don't want to hear from fans who claim we will have issues. Well, you are wrong on all points.

You knew this and yet you carry on for pages with this. OK, your deal.

But they didn't let Byron go because of "salary cap hell". Why do you keep saying this?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But they didn't let Byron go because of "salary cap hell". Why do you keep saying this?

Of course not. The team would much rather let a 1st round pick, the only real cover corner we have on a weak defensive unit, go for nothing. Of course.

This is what I'm talking about. You can't admit, even now when it's staring you right in the face, that contracts are effecting cap.

See what I mean, this is how it works every single time. Ridiculous statements, such as the one you originally posted, are made and when it's called out, you just refuse to admit the fallacy of them. This is how it always is. No thanks, I've seen it to many times, as I said from the start.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Of course not. The team would much rather let a 1st round pick, the only real cover corner we have on a weak defensive unit, go for nothing. Of course.

This is what I'm talking about. You can't admit, even now when it's staring you right in the face, that contracts are effecting cap.

See what I mean, this is how it works every single time. Ridiculous statements, such as the one you originally posted, are made and when it's called out, you just refuse to admit the fallacy of them. This is how it always is. No thanks, I've seen it to many times, as I said from the start.

No YOU Are the ridiculous one. You thinking they let Byron go because of "salary cap hell" is your opinion. Nothing factual about it. Get off your high horse.

Show a article that says they got rid of him because of "salary cap hell".........

If they have 28 million under the cap....and they will get salary cap relief from Fredericks in the near future and they can restructure contracts...how are they in salary cap hell and how couldn't they afford Byron? Please explain to me.

Fact is, Byron wasn't worth 17 million per year. Sorry. Loved the guy. But you can't pay that for 2 interception per 6 years. You just can't.

So miss me with the "ridiculous statements". There is nothing that says they couldn't afford Byron. They could've signed Byron or Quinn. They let them both walk. Not because of this made up "salary cap hell" you keep referencing. How did they sign Poe and McCoy in salary cap hell? How did they sign Cooper?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Tell me again how we are going to pay Dak 30+ million a yr when we only have about 22 mill realistically (according to an earlier poster) or even the 28 mill mentioned in this piece. The math doesn't add up to me.

Sure................the 28 million is with Daks 31 million salary for this year already factored in. And if they can get Dak signed long term, then they can spread his salary out over time and make the later years much higher thus possibly freeing up say another 10 million this year.

 

[DRella]

Dak signing his long term deal will determine if the Cowboys will further spend and if other players are retained (ie Crawford).

Dak doesn't get how he is holding his team hostage this off season. If he truly is the leader of this team he really isn't showing it by his actions. Had he signed his contract earlier we would have had one of Jones or Quinn in the fold and one less hole to fill.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No YOU Are the ridiculous one. You thinking they let Byron go because of "salary cap hell" is your opinion. Nothing factual about it. Get off your high horse.

Show a article that says they got rid of him because of "salary cap hell".........

If they have 28 million under the cap....and they will get salary cap relief from Fredericks in the near future and they can restructure contracts...how are they in salary cap hell and how couldn't they afford Byron? Please explain to me.

Fact is, Byron wasn't worth 17 million per year. Sorry. Loved the guy. But you can't pay that for 2 interception per 6 years. You just can't.

So miss me with the "ridiculous statements". There is nothing that says they couldn't afford Byron. They could've signed Byron or Quinn. They let them both walk. Not because of this made up "salary cap hell" you keep referencing. How did they sign Poe and McCoy in salary cap hell? How did they sign Cooper?

Of course, it's me who is ridiculous. You make a post like the one you did, making ridiculous statements against other posters and it's me right. Yeah, I know, it's always everybody else and you just skate on the BS post. OK, I see how it is.

Byron is worth his money. Why isn't he worth it? Why is Dak worth the money but Byron is not? Pay The Man!

The question is not, how did they sign Poe and McCoy, two guys at the end of their careers, the question is why didn't they sign Byron who is home grown and is much younger? The point is not Poe and McCoy. The point is that it doesn't do any good signing two end of their career guys to shore up the DT position, only to weaken the Defensive Backfield. The idea is to get stronger as a team, it's not to rob Peter to pay Paul.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Of course, it's me who is ridiculous. You make a post like the one you did, making ridiculous statements against other posters and it's me right. Yeah, I know, it's always everybody else and you just skate on the BS post. OK, I see how it is.

Byron is worth his money. Why isn't he worth it? Why is Dak worth the money but Byron is not? Pay The Man!

The question is not, how did they sign Poe and McCoy, two guys at the end of their careers, the question is why didn't they sign Byron who is home grown and is much younger? The point is not Poe and McCoy. The point is that it doesn't do any good signing two end of their career guys to shore up the DT position, only to weaken the Defensive Backfield. The idea is to get stronger as a team, it's not to rob Peter to pay Paul.

Because Dak is the freakin' quarterback and not a cornerback that's why he's worth the money. You have to be kidding me....

And there is no question on why they didn't sign Byron. He was overpaid. He was not worth that contract. If they need someone to rack up 0 interceptions a year they can just use Chido or Anthony Brown for that.

BTW, here's a article on Byron Jone's opinion on why they didn't bring him back......

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/pft...cbs-on-roster-not-money.455010/#post-10088869


Now tell me how what I'm saying is ridiculous again......you gonna argue against Bryon?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because Dak is the freakin' quarterback and not a cornerback that's why he's worth the money. You have to be kidding me....

And there is no question on why they didn't sign Byron. He was overpaid. He was not worth that contract. If they need someone to rack up 0 interceptions a year they can just use Chido or Anthony Brown for that.

BTW, here's a article on Byron Jone's opinion on why they didn't bring him back......

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/pft...cbs-on-roster-not-money.455010/#post-10088869


Now tell me how what I'm saying is ridiculous again......you gonna argue against Bryon?

I see, so Dak, because he's QB should get overpaid and we should just be happy with that and accept it, even though we know it compromises the cap? We should just listen to all of the talking heads say "Pay The Man" but when it comes to Byron, not so much? This isn't about what's fair or market value or all the rest of the BS thrown up when people say Dak want's too much. Those things are just things thrown out to defend the unreasonable argument of why Dak should get overpaid.

I've read the article. Doesn't prove a thing. Not even that the reasoning is accurate. Jones is better then any DB we currently have. He makes the team better because he is better then the current talent. That's just the truth. No article is going to change that Royc.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

It could get up to $13 million if you have a top five pick. The Cowboys are picking in the middle of the round though so it would be around $7 million.

7m is the total but it only adds about 3m in new money to our cap. And yes a top 10 pick can increase that amount.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I see, so Dak, because he's QB should get overpaid and we should just be happy with that and accept it, even though we know it compromises the cap? We should just listen to all of the talking heads say "Pay The Man" but when it comes to Byron, not so much? This isn't about what's fair or market value or all the rest of the BS thrown up when people say Dak want's too much. Those things are just things thrown out to defend the unreasonable argument of why Dak should get overpaid.

I've read the article. Doesn't prove a thing. Not even that the reasoning is accurate. Jones is better then any DB we currently have. He makes the team better because he is better then the current talent. That's just the truth. No article is going to change that Royc.

You are getting off track. This debate isn't about whether or not we should pay Dak. No one said we should pay Dak in this discussion. Fact is, this organization felt Jones was expendable and that article I posted proved that. You are arguing against articles and facts at this point.

No one is arguing that Byron isn't better than what we have. He is. But for his production you can get that same production from guys you have on your team is the point. You can't say the same about Dak and Cooper Rush.