Slot WR our biggest need

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The players I would actually compare to Ruggs as a football player recently would be Coleman, Cooks, and Ross. One hit, one was terrible and one couldnt stay healthy.

Players like Austin, Fuller, Dorsett arent good comparisons for Ruggs as a player. Dorsett had only speed. Fuller had serious concentration issues, adding to the the fact that he wasnt even a first round talent. Fuller was almost as big a teach as Dorsett. Austin was like 5'8

I think you are too general in your comparison

The comparison I'd make is Odell Beckham Junior. Beckham with similar builds and same run after the catch ability. They had pretty similar production their first two years and 1100 yards his 3rd, but he wasn't having to share targets with two other top 15 draft picks. Beckham is a better route runner, and has better hands but didn't run a 4.3 at the combine.
 

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The players I would actually compare to Ruggs as a football player recently would be Coleman, Cooks, and Ross. One hit, one was terrible and one couldnt stay healthy.

Players like Austin, Fuller, Dorsett arent good comparisons for Ruggs as a player. Dorsett had only speed. Fuller had serious concentration issues, adding to the the fact that he wasnt even a first round talent. Fuller was almost as big a teach as Dorsett. Austin was like 5'8

I think you are too general in your comparison

And I think youre leaving out a bunch of other players that haven’t been hits.

What about the production?
 

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And I think youre leaving out a bunch of other players that haven’t been hits.

What about the production?
Do you want me to go back like 10-15 years lol. Not wasting my time on what is an overly general premise. Small speed guys is incredibly vague.

His production is fine for the amount they spread the ball. They have 3 likely first round WR's and one who will likely a day 2 pick. Im not seeing how this is not an acceptable awnser
 

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I disagree with the thought that WR is the biggest. DAL had 3 good WRs last year, yet couldn't score when they needed to most. Also, what's the point in having a high quality 3rd WR when you don't have a true #1 CB and the defense is giving up 25 points a game?

A good WR will fall into the 4th round imo no need to be hasty.
 

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Ruggs had 1 drop last year and scored on 1 in every 4 touches over his career. His raw volume was limited by sharing the ball with 2 other first round WRs + Bama being run heavy, but whenever they threw his way, good things usually happened.

As far as comparisons, the only other 4.2 speed guy I've seen play with Ruggs' level of physicality is Tyreek Hill. Percy Harvin is a good comp too, although Hill is a tick faster and doesn't have Harvin's jaw-dropping agility. Anyway, the common thread is that they were all willing to take and give hits in a way that most 180 lb speed merchants really don't. The Chiefs for example use Hill as a real WR1 and throw quick-outs and curls to him, because he can break tackles on the underneath stuff almost as well as he can smoke guys on vertical routes. He's a complete receiver.

Watching Ruggs throw his body around going for back shoulder catches and get after DBs as a blocker gives me that same kind of feeling as Hill; he isn't just a track athlete running nine route wind sprints. He's tough and he's got natural hands, and that makes it easier for me to see him becoming a real WR rather than just a one-note speed guy.
 
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Ruggs had 1 drop last year and scored on 1 in every 4 touches over his career. His raw volume was limited by sharing the ball with 2 other first round WRs + Bama being run heavy, but whenever they threw his way, good things usually happened.

As far as comparisons, the only other 4.2 speed guy I've seen play with Ruggs' level of physicality is Tyreek Hill. Percy Harvin is a good comp too, although Hill is a tick faster and doesn't have Harvin's jaw-dropping agility. Anyway, the common thread is that they were all willing to take and give hits in a way that most 180 lb speed merchants really don't. The Chiefs for example use Hill as a real WR1 and throw quick-outs and curls to him, because he can break tackles on the underneath stuff almost as well as he can smoke guys on vertical routes. He's a complete receiver.

Watching Ruggs throw his body around going for back shoulder catches and get after DBs as a blocker gives me that same kind of feeling as Hill; he isn't just a track athlete running nine route wind sprints. He's tough and he's got natural hands, and that makes it easier for me to see him becoming a real WR rather than just a one-note speed guy.
Imagine Ruggs in the middle drawing the safeties away from Coop & Gallup...
 

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Do you want me to go back like 10-15 years lol. Not wasting my time on what is an overly general premise. Small speed guys is incredibly vague.

His production is fine for the amount they spread the ball. They have 3 likely first round WR's and one who will likely a day 2 pick. Im not seeing how this is not an acceptable awnser

What I’m getting at is if you increase the sample size you get a more accurate picture.

And if he was so good, why were more balls going to the other guys? Why was he not getting the most targets?
 

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I like the former Navy QB as a slot...he is labeled as a slot wr now. I think taking a flier on him with a 7th rounder and at least seeing what he can do on special teams would be cool. Like a Julian Edelman type. We can develop him. I also like James Proche from SMU...he is a proven weapon from the slot. I would be ok drafting both those guys and letting them compete.Proche can be had with a 5th or 6th. STEAL. This wr class is so damn solid all the way to round 7. Its just ridiculous. You really cant go wrong in any round this year if you need a wr.
 

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I disagree with the thought that WR is the biggest. DAL had 3 good WRs last year, yet couldn't score when they needed to most. Also, what's the point in having a high quality 3rd WR when you don't have a true #1 CB and the defense is giving up 25 points a game?

A good WR will fall into the 4th round imo no need to be hasty.

That's putting a lot of faith in a 4th round pick. I wouldn't want to be a 4th round bust away from starting Devon Smith in slot all season.
 

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WHAT I expect Mike M. to do is draft some mudders, lunch pail guys and let them compete. We haven't had that for a long time, since the Tuna was here. He was great at that up in GB. He was also always on the lookout for a QB in the late rounds. So don't be surprised if he has his eye on a guy to bring in here and maybe push Dak a bit. Cooper Rush may have signed his tender...that doesn't mean that much to MM.
 

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I like the former Navy QB as a slot...he is labeled as a slot wr now. I think taking a flier on him with a 7th rounder and at least seeing what he can do on special teams would be cool. Like a Julian Edelman type. We can develop him. I also like James Proche from SMU...he is a proven weapon from the slot. I would be ok drafting both those guys and letting them compete.Proche can be had with a 5th or 6th. STEAL. This wr class is so damn solid all the way to round 7. Its just ridiculous. You really cant go wrong in any round this year if you need a wr.

That might be the best outcome (taking two of them). I actually really like the idea of taking a 4th round WR and then trading back into the draft with a future 3rd to get competition. I feel like if we got Lynn Bowden and Van Jefferson I'd feel pretty good about the position group.
 

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That might be the best outcome (taking two of them). I actually really like the idea of taking a 4th round WR and then trading back into the draft with a future 3rd to get competition. I feel like if we got Lynn Bowden and Van Jefferson I'd feel pretty good about the position group.

Id be happy with a 3rd and a 6ish rounder. Maybe role the dice on someone with deep speed like Quez Watkins late.
 

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Id be happy with a 3rd and a 6ish rounder. Maybe role the dice on someone with deep speed like Quez Watkins late.

I feel like a 6th is pushing it for a 4th WR who will likely play 25-35% of snaps. Maybe more if one of the top 3 suffer a serious injury.
 

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What I’m getting at is if you increase the sample size you get a more accurate picture.

And if he was so good, why were more balls going to the other guys? Why was he not getting the most targets?
Lol the one guy who out produced him in his team is a potential top 5 pick.

Im done with you on this
 

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Lol the one guy who out produced him in his team is a potential top 5 pick.

Im done with you on this

Juedy is a solid 1st rounder, but he is not a top 5 talent/pick. That’s reserved for WR prospects like Johnson / Jones / Fitzgerald. I love him and think he warrants a top 15 selection but not top 5.

And this just adds to my point. He significantly out produced Ruggs and got way more targets.
 

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Juedy is a solid 1st rounder, but he is not a top 5 talent/pick. That’s reserved for WR prospects like Johnson / Jones / Fitzgerald. I love him and think he warrants a top 15 selection but not top 5.

And this just adds to my point. He significantly out produced Ruggs and got way more targets.
He is a better player. No one said he wasnt. He had more of a bell cow roll in Alabama. Ruggs also opened up the field alot for him.

They also have Waddell who will be a first rounder, and potential top 10 pick next year. As well as Devonte Smith, who will probably be a day 2 pick next year and could even wind up a first rounder. Ruggs numbers were good considering how much they spread the ball around. Just because he didnt produce the stats Jeudy did means nothing to me
 

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He is a better player. No one said he wasnt. He had more of a bell cow roll in Alabama. Ruggs also opened up the field alot for him.

They also have Waddell who will be a first rounder, and potential top 10 pick next year. As well as Devonte Smith, who will probably be a day 2 pick next year and could even wind up a first rounder. Ruggs numbers were good considering how much they spread the ball around. Just because he didnt produce the stats Jeudy did means nothing to me

Totally agree they’re loaded at WR but that didn’t stop Juedy from commanding a majority of the targets and producing at a very high level.

Point remains the same for me. The history of the draft and league shows us that smaller framed speed WRs in the 1st have a hard time staying healthy and/or producing at a 1st round level. Adding in the good, not great, production just adds to the concerns for me.
 

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Totally agree they’re loaded at WR but that didn’t stop Juedy from commanding a majority of the targets and producing at a very high level.

Point remains the same for me. The history of the draft and league shows us that smaller framed speed WRs in the 1st have a hard time staying healthy and/or producing at a 1st round level. Adding in the good, not great, production just adds to the concerns for me.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this player
 

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Totally agree they’re loaded at WR but that didn’t stop Juedy from commanding a majority of the targets and producing at a very high level.

Point remains the same for me. The history of the draft and league shows us that smaller framed speed WRs in the 1st have a hard time staying healthy and/or producing at a 1st round level. Adding in the good, not great, production just adds to the concerns for me.
And if we'd just use him as a speed WR, no point in going roundd 1.
 

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And if we'd just use him as a speed WR, no point in going roundd 1.

He’s a solid player, and I think he’d be a good add to the offense just not at 17. As our 3, he’ll come in and catch 50 or so balls for 700+ yards and hit a few hone runs for us. He’s been a good compliment player at Bama and he’ll be good compliment player in the NFL but you don’t draft that at 17.
 
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