Pollard is good, but he's no Zeke

[phildadon86]

This is getting comical now.

No what’s comical is anyone here saying Murray is just as good as Zeke and that Zeke isn’t an elite blocker.

 

[kskboys]

How is an elite blocking back measured? I think PFF has pass blocking stats for running backs but you need to be an elite subscriber to view them. I think both Zeke and Murray were very good blockers, I just don't know where the elite status is.

No measurement can judge this. Must read.

Both were very good blockers. Is Zeke a better blocker than Murray? Yes, but not by much.

Is Zeke elite at blocking for a RB? Yes.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Stats in blocking? And I’m grasping at straws. His scouting report said as much. He loves to block. He’s saved daks behind multiple times with his blocking so stop. You sound silly now

You keep on having to resort to his scouting report, and you keep on saying the stats say he's elite.

You know who also had an elite scouting report? Trent Richardson. Stop using the scouting report and college stats lmao

 

[kskboys]

No what’s comical is anyone here saying Murray is just as good as Zeke and that Zeke isn’t an elite blocker.

Murray did one thing at an elite level, get to and through the LOS. Zeke is better at more things than Murray.

Honestly, this shouldn't even be a debate. Is Zeke better than Murray? Absolutely. However, Murray had a much much better attitude and was a team player all the way. He would never have come into camp fat and out of shape as Zeke did last year.

If Zeke gets back in shape, the people who hate him will be shocked at how good he can be. Pretty much all of his problems are related to his own weirdness. If he had Murray's attitude, he'd be setting records.

 

[kskboys]

You keep on having to resort to his scouting report, and you keep on saying the stats say he's elite.

You know who also had an elite scouting report? Trent Richardson. Stop using the scouting report and college stats lmao

Scouting reports are all we have. No way to measure blocking effectiveness except by having the experts analyze and see what they have to say.

The funny thing is, the stats that people refer to are often done by non-experts.

 

[Aviano90]

No what’s comical is anyone here saying Murray is just as good as Zeke and that Zeke isn’t an elite blocker.

I've stated both were very good blockers and that I didn't know where the line for "elite" was. RBs are measured on their pass blocking. I would like to see how they measure up with the other RBs around the league as a comparison. For example, I found an article that has Jonathan Stewart, Robert Turbin and Rashad Jennings as the best pass protecting running backs in 2016. You know, I'd like some objective data to go along with a claim, or is that just too much to ask for?

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2...ewart-rated-best-pass-blocking-rb-in-the-nfl/

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Zeke is an elite blocker. Agenda?

He was elite his rookie season. Now you have no basis for claiming he's elite at it. PFF used to tout him as an elite blocker, now he's slightly above average.

It's always things that can't be measured, is where the straws are grasped.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I've stated both were very good blockers and that I didn't know where the line for "elite" was. RBs are measured on their pass blocking. I would like to see how they measure up with the other RBs around the league as a comparison. For example, I found an article that has Jonathan Stewart, Robert Turbin and Rashad Jennings as the best pass protecting running backs in 2016. You know, I'd like some objective data to go along with a claim, or is that just too much to ask for?

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2...ewart-rated-best-pass-blocking-rb-in-the-nfl/

@kskboys agenda?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Scouting reports are all we have. No way to measure blocking effectiveness except by having the experts analyze and see what they have to say.

The funny thing is, the stats that people refer to are often done by non-experts.

We have four seasons of play to use. What do you mean?
Having zero fumbles and having top end speed in college doesn't mean a damn thing now.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The question should be is Zeke better than Demarco Murray in his prime? I don't really think he is.....

That's an actual question? Why...tis offseason. But, since we're here....how so?

 

[kskboys]

@kskboys agenda?

We have four seasons of play to use. What do you mean?
Having zero fumbles and having top end speed in college doesn't mean a damn thing now.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You keep on having to resort to his scouting report, and you keep on saying the stats say he's elite.

You know who also had an elite scouting report? Trent Richardson. Stop using the scouting report and college stats lmao

All you have to do is watch Dak's highlights. You'll see Zeke chucking Defensive lineman. Full back style. So yes....saved Dak in ways Pollard cannot. Not for any length of time.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Zeke went thru college with 0 fumbles. Zeke did have top end speed and hopefully the new coaching staff can get him back to that. Zeke does not have the line that Murray did in 2014. 2016 was good but not 2014 good. So no. No agenda. Murray isn’t even in the same realm as Zeke

@kskboys

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

All you have to do is watch Dak's highlights. You'll see Zeke chucking Defensive lineman. Full back style. So yes....saved Dak in ways Pollard cannot. Not for any length of time.

Kinda like here?

 

[Batman1980]

I haven't heard ANYONE say that Pollard is better than Zeke. Not one poster on here or anywhere.

However, there are definitely things that Pollard does better and those things need to be tapped into by scheme and more use.

Zeke is more well-rounded, Pollard is more talented. Zeke lacks that home run threat and even that "get to 40 yards since 2016" threat. Why I'd like to see them start splitting carries/touches 50/50, salary aside.

 

[phildadon86]

Kinda like here?

Lol pulling out one play. Should I pull up videos of Murray fumbling because he refused to carry the ball and protect it? There’s much more of those than Zeke missing blocks.

 

[Typhus]

Zeke is more well-rounded, Pollard is more talented. Zeke lacks that home run threat and even that "get to 40 yards since 2016" threat. Why I'd like to see them start splitting carries/touches 50/50, salary aside.

Having both in the backfield at the same time gives this offense an entire new level of flexibility.

 

[Typhus]

It's true, Pollard is no Zeke but he's not trying to be. Pollard is an excellent change of pace back to Zeke's work horse power back running. They are an amazing tandem that should be on the field at the same time more often and MM has been talking like that will happen.

It would be a terrible waste of not only scheme but resources as well.
I fail to understand this whole Zeke vs Pollard debate in that why should we be wasting time debating a strength?
A good HC recognizes and utilizes his best talents, and a backfield including Zeke and Pollard would be pretty dynamic.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Lol pulling out one play. Should I pull up videos of Murray fumbling because he refused to carry the ball and protect it? There’s much more of those than Zeke missing blocks.

Lol you bring up one play Murray fumbling in our very first post, then have this to say?
Pot meet kettle

 

[CATCH17]

You keep on having to resort to his scouting report, and you keep on saying the stats say he's elite.

You know who also had an elite scouting report? Trent Richardson. Stop using the scouting report and college stats lmao

Zeke is the best blocking back in football by a long long ways.