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[Scotman]

Our Superbowls were won by Landry, Johnson and Switzer (Aikman). Landry was a better coach than Garrett. Johnson was a better coach than Garrett. And, I can make the argument that Switzer was a better coach than Garrett. Despite eating hot dogs on the sidelines, Switzer had won a national championship in college as a coach. Still, I think Aikman served as much as coach that year as Switzer did. ALL of them were better than Garrett.

If you want to place all the games on the QB, then you have to include Romo. The fact that he wasn't on the field his first few years still counts. They saw him in practice every day.

It isn't all on the QB. Defense actually counts. Special teams count. Coaching matters. General manager matters. Our offense tried to carry the rest of the team last year and just couldn't. Our defense was porous. Our prized DE got his money and certainly didn't look hungry out there anymore. Our prized LB duo just straight up vanished. Our special teams was social distancing before it was even a thing. Our kicker situation was beyond pathetic as a whole. If you only want to focus on offense...your RB came into the year completely flat. Your #1 WR took whole games off. You center was coming back from a career threatening illness...that eventually made him reevaluate playing at all.

And still...you post every week about Dak being the problem. He isn't perfect, but he wasn't the problem last year.

 

[HungryLion]

Do you dislike Elway for doing the same thing?

Idk. When a player is as good as Elway. It’s easier to
Forgive them.

 

[jnday]

LOL! Savage thread title change by the mods.

Putting this repetitive loser in his place.

Are you going to continue using personal insults directed towards anybody that disagrees with you?

 

[the_h0wey]

So today's deep thought is going to be about how..

and why we have won in the past with our QBs.

And yes this will be about Dak but that comes later..

and not what you think it will be coming from me.

I have been trying to feature the QBs lately as I think they best represent our teams and what do they have in common.

Ready?

When our team has been successful..

we had young QBs who took us quickly to success.

Craig Morton was the first. He took us to the 1971 SB. He had been starting for about 2 years and had been in the league about 4 by that time.

But still just 2 years of starting.

Next we have Rodger the Dodger. Yes, he had been with the team a couple of seasons and had attended TC while in the Navy.

But in 1972 when we won the 1st SB, he was basically his first year as a starter. He won again in 1978 for his second SB. He was older and our oldest SB winning QB.

Danny White had been with the team mostly as a punter. Then Staubach retired from concussions and White became the starter. White took us to 3 straight NFC Championships and ran into Montana who blocked him.

But White was highly productive as a starter early in his starter career.

Then we have Aikman. Drafted 1989, his first SB was won by his 3rd year in the NFL. I believe that was 1993 and then in 1994 skipped 1995 and won in 1996 with Switzer. I think that is right.

No fair Googling. Off the top of my head.

I leave Romo out of this discussion becuz he sat for 4 years before he started once Bledsoe was benched. Obviously he was older by the time he really got going and managed a playoff against Seattle which he lost.

Now we come to our guy Dak.

He has been at this going on 5 years.

So as I have established..our QBs have been most successful very early in their careers as a rule. Usually by their first 3 years or so, more or less.

Without getting huffy and crying "Cherry picker" or "Fake Facts", etc..

Does it seem reasonable to think Dak can really win a SB the way he is going?

Should we be aware of the possibility that Dak could be another Danny White?

I am not really sure. After watching Mahomes do it this year early in his career and other guys not named Brady not get far like Wilson who also was early in his career..

the older Dak gets, the less chance I think he has of winning alot or deep into the playoffs to win a SB.

What do you REALLY think? Not what do you hope or want or pray for.

I know you guys love the numbers..so these is a few to rumenate over and discuss.

I personally would feel better with another young QB while this team is still relatively young. I am not talking contracts or length of contracts here. Other threads.

Ok..over to you then back to the draft.

Been wondering this for a while, but why do you skip a line between text?

 

[Redball Express]

It's not good for the soul to sit around and continually look for the negative...

I do not do that at all.

You obviously prefer to not reply to one of my positive posts.

Its fine. Everybody reads and deletes differently.

 

[Redball Express]

Been wondering this for a while, but why do you skip a line between text?

I have glaucoma.

It makes it difficult to read tiny text.

So I add space.

The mods know I am disabled and approve of the work around.

 

[Rockport]

So today's deep thought is going to be about how..

and why we have won in the past with our QBs.

And yes this will be about Dak but that comes later..

and not what you think it will be coming from me.

I have been trying to feature the QBs lately as I think they best represent our teams and what do they have in common.

Ready?

When our team has been successful..

we had young QBs who took us quickly to success.

Craig Morton was the first. He took us to the 1971 SB. He had been starting for about 2 years and had been in the league about 4 by that time.

But still just 2 years of starting.

Next we have Rodger the Dodger. Yes, he had been with the team a couple of seasons and had attended TC while in the Navy.

But in 1972 when we won the 1st SB, he was basically his first year as a starter. He won again in 1978 for his second SB. He was older and our oldest SB winning QB.

Danny White had been with the team mostly as a punter. Then Staubach retired from concussions and White became the starter. White took us to 3 straight NFC Championships and ran into Montana who blocked him.

But White was highly productive as a starter early in his starter career.

Then we have Aikman. Drafted 1989, his first SB was won by his 3rd year in the NFL. I believe that was 1993 and then in 1994 skipped 1995 and won in 1996 with Switzer. I think that is right.

No fair Googling. Off the top of my head.

I leave Romo out of this discussion becuz he sat for 4 years before he started once Bledsoe was benched. Obviously he was older by the time he really got going and managed a playoff against Seattle which he lost.

Now we come to our guy Dak.

He has been at this going on 5 years.

So as I have established..our QBs have been most successful very early in their careers as a rule. Usually by their first 3 years or so, more or less.

Without getting huffy and crying "Cherry picker" or "Fake Facts", etc..

Does it seem reasonable to think Dak can really win a SB the way he is going?

Should we be aware of the possibility that Dak could be another Danny White?

I am not really sure. After watching Mahomes do it this year early in his career and other guys not named Brady not get far like Wilson who also was early in his career..

the older Dak gets, the less chance I think he has of winning alot or deep into the playoffs to win a SB.

What do you REALLY think? Not what do you hope or want or pray for.

I know you guys love the numbers..so these is a few to rumenate over and discuss.

I personally would feel better with another young QB while this team is still relatively young. I am not talking contracts or length of contracts here. Other threads.

Ok..over to you then back to the draft.

Your takes are consistently horrible is what I think.

 

[HellCrowe]

Just #17 for a pro bowl Safety? Um... yeah! Not gonna happen though

 

[Redball Express]

Our Superbowls were won by Landry, Johnson and Switzer (Aikman). Landry was a better coach than Garrett. Johnson was a better coach than Garrett. And, I can make the argument that Switzer was a better coach than Garrett. Despite eating hot dogs on the sidelines, Switzer had won a national championship in college as a coach. Still, I think Aikman served as much as coach that year as Switzer did. ALL of them were better than Garrett.

If you want to place all the games on the QB, then you have to include Romo. The fact that he wasn't on the field his first few years still counts. They saw him in practice every day.

It isn't all on the QB. Defense actually counts. Special teams count. Coaching matters. General manager matters. Our offense tried to carry the rest of the team last year and just couldn't. Our defense was porous. Our prized DE got his money and certainly didn't look hungry out there anymore. Our prized LB duo just straight up vanished. Our special teams was social distancing before it was even a thing. Our kicker situation was beyond pathetic as a whole. If you only want to focus on offense...your RB came into the year completely flat. Your #1 WR took whole games off. You center was coming back from a career threatening illness...that eventually made him reevaluate playing at all.

And still...you post every week about Dak being the problem. He isn't perfect, but he wasn't the problem last year.

That's fine.

I am an equal opportunity poster.

You get a say, I get s say, they get a say.

I purposefully left out some of your points becuz I prefer others to add their feelings.

The whole point in posting. Group participation.not just my opinion be damned.

Romo, of course he factors in and I said as much. But it's for others to say what they feel. You did. No prob.

I do not assume my questions have clear definable answers. Far be it.

So really we sit and we watch games and decide what we think we see and move on.

One day comes and the technology will be beyond our ability to keep up.

Then we will rely on YouTube to help us remember.

Ain't life grand?

Later.

 

[Blake]

I read these threads and think to myself, it must suck not having a life outside of this echo chamber.

 

[ESisback]

A lot of truth in this post. I don’t let this team upset me anymore. This team hasn’t been real Cowboy’s teams since Jimmy left and the standards of the team went down. The Cowboys no longer have the class, the expectations, pride, etc , that it had for so many years. Even the fan base has deteriorated to the point where mediocrity is happily accepted and defended.

Mediocrity is NOT happily accepted! Just because someone wants to have a happy life, embrace hope, have fun, etc., etc., doesn’t mean they don’t care. People accept reality, realize things aren’t like they used to be, honor the past, and hope for the future—that’s about all we can do.

 

[America's Cowboy]

All signs are pointing to Jerry overpaying him and he becomes a salary cap killer that takes up so much cap room that the talent needed for him to be successful can not be afforded.

I'm with you being against Dak being overpaid. Then again, he's earned it. The good thing is Dak can always have his new big contract redone to create more capspace for other players down the road, while the yearly salary cap is expected to keep rising every year.

 

[GenoT]

I have glaucoma.

It makes it difficult to read tiny text.

So I add space.

The mods know I am disabled and approve of the work around.

As long as you don’t violate CZ posting rules, it’s doubtful the mods either approve or disapprove of your “work around.”

Your glaucoma affliction being duly noted and sympathized with, if you can type reasonably proper and well-punctuated sentences in tiny text, you shouldn’t have a problem forming your thoughts into simple paragraphs.

Btw...how is it that you can read the tiny text of others’ responses which ARE, for the most part, constructed in paragraphs?

Just wondering?

 

[Redball Express]

As long as you don’t violate CZ posting rules, it’s doubtful the mods either approve or disapprove of your “work around.”

Your glaucoma affliction being duly noted and sympathized with, if you can type reasonably proper and well-punctuated sentences in tiny text, you shouldn’t have a problem forming your thoughts into simple paragraphs.

Btw...how is it that you can read the tiny text of others’ responses which ARE, for the most part, constructed in paragraphs?

Just wondering?

Enough questions about my disabilities "doctor".

BTW, how did my tests come back about my needing that 4 way bypass work out?

Oh, its inoperable, Really?

Damned..tough break.

Ya know dude, your cute little knee jerk remarks are boring me.

Scram.

 

[The Fonz]

A lot of truth in this post. I don’t let this team upset me anymore. This team hasn’t been real Cowboy’s teams since Jimmy left and the standards of the team went down. The Cowboys no longer have the class, the expectations, pride, etc , that it had for so many years. Even the fan base has deteriorated to the point where mediocrity is happily accepted and defended.

True ...I know the Jones want to win but they want to win on their own term they over-hype the team every year and overvalue their own players At the end it is nothing but a flashy circus with a lousy act.

 

[jnday]

I'm with you being against Dak being overpaid. Then again, he's earned it. The good thing is Dak can always have his new big contract redone to create more capspace for other players down the road, while the yearly salary cap is expected to keep rising every year.

Creating more cap space hasn’t worked so well for the other teams that overpaid their QB. As for earning it, did I miss a Dallas Super Bowl win in the last four years?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Creating more cap space hasn’t worked so well for the other teams that overpaid their QB. As for earning it, did I miss a Dallas Super Bowl win in the last four years?

Reaching and winning a Super Bowl takes a team, granted you do need the players to reach such an accomplishment, which is where your argument comes in. At the same time, history has proven you need a very good QB to help you reach a Super Bowl, which we have in Dak, so it makes no sense whatsoever wasting a team of talented players only to get rid of your stud QB and instead hang your coat on some lesser QB or an unproven (and unpromised) drafted rookie QB. I'd rather take my chances with Dak since he's evidently getting better.

Did you look at the "Dak led in drops" thread? All the proof is there the problem with our offense was not Dak. Had our WRs caught half of their league-leading 51 drops, we would have easily won another 3-4 games, won the division and made the playoffs. That's not including Dak would have easily passed for 5,100+ yards, more than 30 TDs, and certainly a 70%+ completion rate (much better than his pretty good 65.3% completion rate). Dak had a 76% completions % rate for our first 7 games, while the last 9 games dropped all the way down to 59.4%...all thanks to our WRs dropping so many passes and killing drives. With such data now exposed, I'll definitely keep Dak which thankfully Jerry, McCarthy and the Cowboys smartly feel the same way too. Time to give Dak due justice and give him credit for improving his game every year, especially last year.

 

[Flamma]

I'm not what you would call a Dak fan. But I have to admit I did see a little improvement in his game last year. I'm not talking about stats, stats can kiss my arse. I'm talking about reading defenses and who he chooses to go to. We also have a lot of issues with the coaching staff and dropped passes too. It's really hard to judge. I'm not sold on him, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if he came out next year and made a lot of critics look like idiots. There's a lot more to a team's success than the play of the QB. Can we replace him with someone else under a rookie deal? Maybe. The problem is we're not in position to do that.

 

[cern]

I find the dak threads very interesting. He's become a very polarizing figure of late. Penile shaped water guns. Pit bull bites. Exorbitant salary demands. And the recently ill advised party.

 

[plasticman]

What you seem to think about McCarthy seems to be contrary to what he is publicly saying. McCarthy is a football guy and won't be interfering with business matters. That's the Jones boys realm of concern. Don't confuse the two. There is footballl = McCarthy and then there is business = the Jones boys.

I guess it's conveniently easy to forget this when you've convinced yourself it'd Dak's fault the Cowboys lost 8 games last season. The poor defense and ST had nothing to do with 8-8? The coaching had nothing to do with 8-8? No, it was all Dak, right? The #1 ranked offense had nothing to do with Dak? Having one of the highest career passer ratings among active QBs means nothing? 41 wins in 4 seasons had nothing to do with Dak? Having a higher red zone completion percentage in 2019 than Mahomes and Wilson means nothing? Despite all that, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. He sucks? No, I don't think so.

In this day of salary caps a business move involving a contract is a football move. There must be consistancy in priorities between the coaching staff and upper management. There isnt, never was.