Question re: Dak and greed

[Runwildboys]

I think quality of play is still part of the equation though. Like I said, a journeyman being elevated into a starting role isn't going to have the same market value as a proven veteran. But players holding firm on what they want isn't a new development in negotiations. It's really been around since free agency became a part of the NFL. Emmitt held out and missed 2 games in the early 1990's. There were a number of contract disputes even back when Tex Schramm was the GM. He had conflicts with both Lee Roy Jordan and Tony Dorsett as I recall. Then there was the year Randy White held out and nobody could find him, and later it was found he was on the lake fishing throughout training camp.

All true. The difference now is that players, in particular QBs, are being payed because they're the best option, not the best QB.

 

[zerofill]

Then there was the year Randy White held out and nobody could find him, and later it was found he was on the lake fishing throughout training camp.

And no one was going to go to Randy and say get to training camp and get off that lake now!

BAHAHA....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fans are fans. They don't have to play the game. They just get to enjoy it. The players play the game and have to look out for their best interest because no one else is.

This isn't 100% true any longer. CBA has approved new healthcare benefits for players etc. Seems like that is being addressed in every new agreement.

 

[tyke1doe]

This isn't 100% true any longer. CBA has approved new healthcare benefits for players etc. Seems like that is being addressed in every new agreement.

Looking out for your best interest all means maximizing your earning potential.
You get what you negotiate. Like I say, I wouldn't pay it, but I can't blame Dak for trying.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Fans are fans. They don't have to play the game. They just get to enjoy it. The players play the game and have to look out for their best interest because no one else is.

Exactly. These same concerned fans gave little concern as Dak was making less in one year than Wentz was making in one game.

Dak has to look lout for no. 1. Just like the Cowboys have to do the same.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Looking out for your best interest all means maximizing your earning potential.
You get what you negotiate. Like I say, I wouldn't pay it, but I can't blame Dak for trying.

I never disputed that. I absolutely believe Dak is doing just that. I am not confused about him. He's not what everybody believes he is IMO. He's just like any other player, he wants more money. But the truth is, he's not worth it. None of them are but hey, if he can get it, then good for him. I'd tag him, let him play on the tag for this year and then just trade him next year and go get another QB if I couldn't sign him. His cap number is not good and if the team agrees to his deal, it's going to hurt them IMO but whatever.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Exactly. These same concerned fans gave little concern as Dak was making less in one year than Wentz was making in one game.

Dak has to look lout for no. 1. Just like the Cowboys have to do the same.

Why should the fans have concern over what Dak was making? He was making stupid more money then a huge majority of fans on this board. It isn't our responsibility to care about a guy who's make way, way more money then we ever will in most of our entire lifetimes in a single year, on just endorsements. He's playing a game that many, many of us would do for nothing if we had the opportunity. I don't see how that really has anything to do with anything, to be honest.

But then again, it's been one of those kind of days so you know, whatever.

Have a good evening everybody.

 

[CouchCoach]

Of course.

However, at this point Dak has been an above average player. Dak wants to be paid as a great player. Paying good players as great players is a quick route to mediocrity

Sure is and they've got a lot of great pay going out to players just playing well, not great.

The problem with this brain trust is that they never learn from their mistakes and are not content to just have one at a time. What are the odds that all of the players in top 6 paid at their position, Lawrence, Smith, Big Smitty, Martin, Collins, Cooper, Elliott and Prescott are all going to perform in the top 6 at their position? The only two I feel comfortable that will are on the OL. Any team that has the top paid QB-WR tandem and QB-RB-WR triple pay better do a hell of a lot better than .500 ball.

 

[J_Allen]

I'll call him greedy. He doesn't want to take a deal that is very team-friendly. He wants to take a huge portion of the cap.

That's greed.

 

[OmerV]

I'll call him greedy. He doesn't want to take a deal that is very team-friendly. He wants to take a huge portion of the cap.

That's greed.

How many players getting their first big contract do give a seriously team friendly deal? Most of the time you hear about very team friendly deals it is with a player that has already had a big contract. My bet is once Dak gets the contract he will do what Romo and others around the league have done and work with the team to restructure in a few years to soften the cap hit.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak is horrible value..

I hope Washington gives him the contract he wants.

who cares?

 

[CowboyRoy]

No one here is a guru, don't need reminders that we're not paid for our input lol. And is it not fair to say Dalton could be better with this team?

Clealry some understand the QB position better than others. Your Dalton analysis leaves no question that you don't.

 

[Ranched]

 

[OmerV]

A lot of reports indicate Dak didn't want to sign then and was willing to gamble on another year to increase his value.

 

[kskboys]

What is how pay has been based from the beginning? Market value? If that's what you mean, player's using precedents in the market as part of their negotiation is not a brand new thing. That's been a factor in negotiating all sorts of things since negotiating was invented. But it isn't just "next man up" because there is a talent component too. For example, a journeyman stepping into a starting QB role wouldn't have the same market value as a proven veteran would. That's part of the market for a player as well. And, ultimately, nobody is forcing teams to pay the kind of money they do. If teams are willing to pay it, that's the market.

On talent. On how good a player is.

It's just been recently that players have started demanding top pay despite being average or so.

The market is not that simple. In this case, the market has always been based on talent/play. Players appear to be attempting to change that, but not sure it's going to happen. Maybe at the QB position.

 

[kskboys]

If he gets injured or has to deal with the injuries and pains associated with playing football, the team aint gonna be there for him.
I say get what you can. It's not Dak's job to worry about paying the team. That's Jerry's job.

I'm not understanding your answer. As a fan, aren't you interested in super bowls?

 

[J_Allen]

How many players getting their first big contract do give a seriously team friendly deal? Most of the time you hear about very team friendly deals it is with a player that has already had a big contract. My bet is once Dak gets the contract he will do what Romo and others around the league have done and work with the team to restructure in a few years to soften the cap hit.

They've been trying to hammer out a contract for two years so there's nothing that indicates he will restructure. That gets plenty of money in endorsements. Why he is insistent on taking a deal that makes it hard for the team to compete is beyond me.

I'm ready to move on to someone who wants to be here and win. He obviously doesn't.

 

[OmerV]

On talent. On how good a player is.

It's just been recently that players have started demanding top pay despite being average or so.

The market is not that simple. In this case, the market has always been based on talent/play. Players appear to be attempting to change that, but not sure it's going to happen. Maybe at the QB position.

What they are asking is pay commensurate with what others at roughly the same level in their careers are getting paid and where the market is trending. Dak didn't cause QB salaries to skyrocket, he is just taking advantage of the fact the market is strong for QB's. And that market isn't what it is just because a player asked, it's because the teams have been willing to pay higher and higher prices. Cousins, for example, was on the open market a couple of years ago, and teams could make an offer at whatever level they wanted. The Vikings chose $28 million/year. Is Cousins to blame for that? Would we expect him to say "golly geez guys, that's too much"? And don't for a second think the teams that paid Cousins and Garoppolo and Wentz and Goff weren't aware they were setting a precedent that others would use in future negotiations.

Don't get me wrong, I too wish teams didn't have to pay that much for a QB, but the teams made their own bed. And after all, that's how competition works - that's free market. Teams can choose to pay whatever price they feel is required to get a player, and teams can choose not to. But once they start paying it's hard to go backward.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When I negotiate for a car or house, I go for the lowest price possible. When I negotiate contracts, I get the most that I can.

It's called capitalism. I find it funny how many around here go for socialist economics with price fixing a la salary caps and redistributed income like with the NCAA.

 

[OmerV]

They've been trying to hammer out a contract for two years so there's nothing that indicates he will restructure. That gets plenty of money in endorsements. Why he is insistent on taking a deal that makes it hard for the team to compete is beyond me.

I'm ready to move on to someone who wants to be here and win. He obviously doesn't.

The initial contract is an entirely separate event from restructuring later on. Once the big dollars are guaranteed a player is much easier to work with on a restructure a year or two later because the money is no longer in doubt. At that point it's just a matter of how it gets paid out.

As for working on it two years, that's not entirely true. First, it's been two off seasons, but that only amounts to a little over 1 year. Plus, by most accounts the negotiation ended before the season started because Dak was banking on another year to increase his market value, so it's not as if it was even a solid year.

I see no reason to believe Dak doesn't want to be with Dallas and win. Did the fact that Emmitt Smith held out and even missed the first 2 games one year mean he didn't want to be in Dallas and didn't want to win? Of course not.

Frankly I have a similar mindset to CouchCoach with the belief that the two sides may actually already know the deal they will make, but Jerry may just want to stretch it out to keep media attention focused on the Cowboys. Obviously I can't know that for sure, but Jerry is always mindful of keeping media attention on his product, and this would be a great way to do that. After all, look at the constant discussion it stirs up on this website.