Video: Jesse Holley totally destroys Jason Garrett and exposes him even further!

[Buzzbait]

…...….Even though Holley isn't an authority on Garrett he echoes what a very large percentage of us have been saying about Garrett for many many years. Put two and two together man, most of us have already called Garrett out years ago for what Holley is now! This is legit news brother, it just is... Things just add up in regards to what Holley is saying, and I don't need to remind you he said nothing that most of us haven't already said..

Exactly. We had 10 years to watch Garrett and his shortcomings as a HC, and what Holly says is not news. Like you said, many of us have pointed out the same things for a long time because it was so obvious. Garrett was a guy one might enjoy sitting down with and just talking, but as a HC he was mediocre at best and they can't sweep it under the rug by badmouthing Holly because Holly was right.

Yes some players say they respected him, but what else could they say? They're expected to tow the company line if they want to keep getting paid. They don't badmouth their HC. No matter what they may think, they say what they're expected to say.

 

[Stash]

Exactly. We had 10 years to watch Garrett and his shortcomings as a HC, and what Holly says is not news. Like you said, many of us have pointed out the same things for a long time because it was so obvious. Garrett was a guy one might enjoy sitting down with and just talking, but as a HC he was mediocre at best and they can't sweep it under the rug by badmouthing Holly because Holly was right.

Yes some players say they respected him, but what else could they say? They're expected to tow the company line if they want to keep getting paid. They don't badmouth their HC. No matter what they may think, they say what they're expected to say.

Some people can't handle bad news. It's really that simple. And because they can't they'll enter threads like this and try to tell other why they shouldn't talk about it either. It's their own issue and their own weakness. Some people are in fact mature enough and capable enough to handle difficult and unpleasant conversations.

And coincidentally, they are in fact the same people that tried to defend Garrett for over a decade. Funny how that works huh?

 

[Buzzbait]

I don’t agree with your characterization of how our teams have played, to begin with. You’re also ignoring the fact that TO played so many places because, despite immense talent, he was a cancer who was repeatedly let go everywhere he went...for doing exactly what he did in Dallas. Holley is different, but he’s a never-was who’s trying to make a career out of his short NFL career as a backup and ST player. Weight his opinion heavier than you weight the opinion of a guy like Sean Lee if you want to. I think that’s an insane thought process, myself.

Sean Lee is still a Cowboy. What would you expect him to say about his HC? If he or any other Cowboy players voiced any negative comments about Garrett they'd probably hear about it from Jerry in short order, so you can't go by what present players would say. Not only that, but truthfully I don't think Sean Lee would say anything bad about Garrett whether he thought it or not. He's a classy guy and he just wouldn't badmouth his boss even if it was the truth.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Exactly. We had 10 years to watch Garrett and his shortcomings as a HC, and what Holly says is not news. Like you said, many of us have pointed out the same things for a long time because it was so obvious. Garrett was a guy one might enjoy sitting down with and just talking, but as a HC he was mediocre at best and they can't sweep it under the rug by badmouthing Holly because Holly was right.

Yes some players say they respected him, but what else could they say? They're expected to tow the company line if they want to keep getting paid. They don't badmouth their HC. No matter what they may think, they say what they're expected to say.

But there's only been 2 and now 3 former players who's salary doesn't depend on speaking out that have said bad things about Garrett as a coach. If most players have felt this way then there would be a heck of a lot more former players and current players saying the same thing. Most fan's dislike for Garrett stems from no Super Bowls and every year without any and he was still coach the more the dislike. But for fans to speculate on what players thought or feel is speculation at it's lowest form. Garrett is not one of my favorite coaches and I won't say what I think of him is what the players thought or feel today.
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[kskboys]

Sean Lee is still a Cowboy. What would you expect him to say about his HC? If he or any other Cowboy players voiced any negative comments about Garrett they'd probably hear about it from Jerry in short order, so you can't go by what present players would say. Not only that, but truthfully I don't think Sean Lee would say anything bad about Garrett whether he thought it or not. He's a classy guy and he just wouldn't badmouth his boss even if it was the truth.

And we're actually not going by his opinion. We're going by years of seeing the same problems/issues. One would have to try hard not to see the consistent issues w/ Garrett.

 

[SkywalkerSteele]

He covered a lot of ground.

• WRs now and future roles (Cowboys and league)
• the passing game in general,
• the NE team-building model,
• CBs ,
• Oline,
• Dak before and now
• Dak contract
• Dline,
• coaching philosophy overall and scheme-wise

Well done.

Thank you DFWJC, Holley was a great guest on our show. We have Darren Woodson coming on tomorrow night

 

[Idgit]

Sean Lee is still a Cowboy. What would you expect him to say about his HC? If he or any other Cowboy players voiced any negative comments about Garrett they'd probably hear about it from Jerry in short order, so you can't go by what present players would say. Not only that, but truthfully I don't think Sean Lee would say anything bad about Garrett whether he thought it or not. He's a classy guy and he just wouldn't badmouth his boss even if it was the truth.

So no matter what he says on the topic, you’re prepared to dismiss it. Of course, if he were to say something negative, that we’d take at face value because no player would come out against a coach and risk Jerry’s ire unless the situation really called for it. Seems reasonable.

And yet, we know how Lee felt about Dez. He managed to express that truthfully and diplomatically. So it’s at least possible.

Here’s just one of his quotes about Jason Garrett’s handling of the locker room in week 17 that we’re not crediting, just as an example: “Incredible, as it always is. He’s been such an inspiration as a coach. I’ve learned so much from him. How he handles every situation is unbelievable. His words are powerful. Since the day he became head coach his ability to motivate and stand tall and give us correct perspective has always been unbelievable.” Sounds like he’s really biting his tongue.

 

[Idgit]

And we're actually not going by his opinion. We're going by years of seeing the same problems/issues. One would have to try hard not to see the consistent issues w/ Garrett.

Or at least consistently manufactured issues. Most of which contradict available evidence and the first-hand experiences of the people who play for him and comment in the media.

 

[Buzzbait]

And we're actually not going by his opinion. We're going by years of seeing the same problems/issues. One would have to try hard not to see the consistent issues w/ Garrett.

Exactly! We didn't have to hear it from Holly or anyone else, we saw the same things for ourselves for years!

 

[kskboys]

Or at least consistently manufactured issues. Most of which contradict available evidence and the first-hand experiences of the people who play for him and comment in the media.

No, Idgit, the issues are not manufactured. You're getting way too used to arguing w/ the ninnies on the site, the ones who just say crapp. Might be better to stay away from those types and start concentrating on posters like BobHayes and Beware and Stash and a few others. Your choice, though.

 

[Buzzbait]

So no matter what he says on the topic, you’re prepared to dismiss it. Of course, if he were to say something negative, that we’d take at face value because no player would come out against a coach and risk Jerry’s ire unless the situation really called for it. Seems reasonable.
And yet, we know how Lee felt about Dez. He managed to express that truthfully and diplomatically. So it’s at least possible.
Here’s just one of his quotes about Jason Garrett’s handling of the locker room in week 17 that we’re not crediting, just as an example: “Incredible, as it always is. He’s been such an inspiration as a coach. I’ve learned so much from him. How he handles every situation is unbelievable. His words are powerful. Since the day he became head coach his ability to motivate and stand tall and give us correct perspective has always been unbelievable.” Sounds like he’s really biting his tongue.

What he does in the locker room is one thing, what he did out on the field was something totally different. Winning in the locker room and winning on the field is 2 totally different things.
He wasn't dumped for locker room inspiration, he was dumped for on field incompetence.

 

[cern]

Welcome to that opinion.

As is, also, people who actually played for him.

Travis Frederick, for example.

That's not to pretend that #1-#53 had the same regard for JG... practically no coach ever gets something close to unanimous acclaim. You mention Landry... that maybe especially goes for Tom Landry who even today, many years since, still takes the occasional shot from former players of his.

We're fans. We have our impressions, framed by what is on public display. But we're not there for practices, we have no insight into things that are done and said at meetings or in film rooms or in the cafeteria at The Star, nor secret audio of phone calls between coaches and players.

We should talk like we have enough insight to understand our insight is limited. Far more limited than a Travis Frederick, for example.

We should. But some of us have our grinding axes, and have our need to hate on people who we think we're smarter than but that have been given coaching jobs that we are lock certain rightfully should have been offered to us. Even 5 months later, after the guy is gone. That, on its own, says everything that actually needs to be said on this topic.

There is something to be said about loyalty. But it is oftentimes misplaced. The best decisions are often the most difficult to make. Letting Garrett leave was best for the cowboys.

 

[Stash]

Exactly! We didn't have to hear it from Holly or anyone else, we saw the same things for ourselves for years!

Yeah, it's not 'news', it's confirmation.

 

[Miller]

Btw, for those who follow Bob Sturm it get his Athletic material..I know we can’t post it here..he’s writing a whole series this week on Garrett and why he should have been gone...long before. His first one today is very well written and not some emotional bash piece

 

[Idgit]

What he does in the locker room is one thing, what he did out on the field was something totally different. Winning in the locker room and winning on the field is 2 totally different things.
He wasn't dumped for locker room inspiration, he was dumped for on field incompetence.

Except he wasn’t incompetent, and he won a lot of games and had the support of his players to the end. This just happened to be a quote in response to a question about how he handled the locker room after one specific game. It’s pretty clear that there’s a lot of respect there. How you can think that happens in a player’s head alongside what you call “on filed incompetence” doesn’t make much sense to me.

 

[Idgit]

No, Idgit, the issues are not manufactured. You're getting way too used to arguing w/ the ninnies on the site, the ones who just say crapp. Might be better to stay away from those types and start concentrating on posters like BobHayes and Beware and Stash and a few others. Your choice, though.

Thanks for the advice. I’ll let you know when I come across an issue I don’t consider to be manufactured. There are several of them out there, and I agree that there were issues. He was far from perfect. But that’s not really what this thread was about, right?

I agree that @Bobhaze and Beware are excellent posters. There are a ton of guys who don’t like things about the team but who still manage to discuss those issues constructively. Guys who put a ton of work into original content. Then there are also a lot more drive-by posts and emphatic opinions that just don’t hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever. I probably don’t need to tell you which types of posts are easier to make me have a lower threshold for posting.

 

[Bobhaze]

Except he wasn’t incompetent, and he won a lot of games and had the support of his players to the end. This just happened to be a quote in response to a question about how he handled the locker room after one specific game. It’s pretty clear that there’s a lot of respect there. How you can think that happens in a player’s head alongside what you call “on filed incompetence” doesn’t make much sense to me.

He didn’t win enough of the big ones. It’s that simple. I’ve said many times that Garrett did some good things here- he influenced Jerry to make this team more focused on younger talent.

But if after 5 seasons, if you have qualified for the playoffs one time (2011-2015), it’s time to move on. Accepting his performance year after year IMO set this organization back.

 

[johneric8]

Garrett is gone and you need to let it go and move on. What Garrett did or didn't do while in Dallas has been extremely well documented here but to give any credence to what a player who's biggest accomplishment in football was winning Michael Irvin's reality game show 4th and Long and couldn't even make it on a Canadian football team and in between attempts to make an NFL team he was a security guard and sold cell phones. If this wasn't someone who wasn't looking to blame for he not having the NFL career he always dream of he would, he would be believable. Garrett is not one of my favorite coaches but to continue to whine about him now when he's not here any more is a pretty good sign of an obsession..
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Football is my one hobby and cowboys have been my team for a long time.

Having to watch an incapable coach force fed to us by a stubborn and prideful owner has been beyond tough to stomach.

To suggest that we should simply stop whining about the Garrett situation is short-sighted.

This wasn't all on Garrett, in fact it was mostly on Jerry for putting this fan base in this situation, and this is what was so darn frustrating about the situation.

If you look at the amount of likes my post got and the sheer traffic that it has accumulated, I would say it was more that worthy of being a topic of discussion, but thanks for your ever so gifted and astute psychoanalysis.

 

[kskboys]

What he does in the locker room is one thing, what he did out on the field was something totally different. Winning in the locker room and winning on the field is 2 totally different things.
He wasn't dumped for locker room inspiration, he was dumped for on field incompetence.

Accurate assessment.

 

[OmerV]

Football is my one hobby and cowboys have been my team for a long time.

Having to watch an incapable coach force fed to us by a stubborn and prideful owner has been beyond tough to stomach.

To suggest that we should simply stop whining about the Garrett situation is short-sighted.

This wasn't all on Garrett, in fact it was mostly on Jerry for putting this fan base in this situation, and this is what was so darn frustrating about the situation.

If you look at the amount of likes my post got and the sheer traffic that it has accumulated, I would say it was more that worthy of being a topic of discussion, but thanks for your ever so gifted and astute psychoanalysis.

Short sighted? Okay, so what's the long term benefit that we are missing if we quit whining about Garrett?

Is there is something left to accomplish by whining about Garrett? Some problem that whining about Garrett will solve? Something new to say about Garrett that hasn't been said before and that will improve the current team?

If the answer to those questions is no, then where is the short sightedness?

I don't know, the horse seems pretty dead to me. I don't think he'll be hopping up and trotting around The Star anymore.