Still can't believe we got Cee Dee Lamb at 17

[cowboygo]

No one is sensitive champ


Why even bring up Dez to big up CD?


“I have a feeling Dinucci will be way better than Dak ever was!”

Now tell me that wouldnt have fools up in arms on here....

CD is the last WR we drafted in the first round. Easy to compare each other. Don't think its a diss on Dez saying to hope a player becomes better than him.

 

[KJJ]

Still can't believe we got him at 17.

I still can’t believe some fans weren’t happy about it and wanted the Cowboys to reach for a corner or safety with that pick. Lamb fell to us and a few fans were complaining about the pick.

 

[CouchCoach]

Fact is he produces vs top teams not just big 12. When you claim he was in the crappy Big 12? he produced no matter who he played against and in top Bowl games. It does appear to be a dig at him and if that is how you feel fine but the kid did his job regardless of who he went up against. As for Dallas selecting him they did so because he was the best player on the board by far be it offense or defensive player. Dallas also addressed defensive needs both in the draft and FA, skipping a top player just to fill other needs in my view not smart and one you end up regretting later

I did not say the Big 12 is crappy, it is different. They play a different kind of ball than the SEC or Big 10 and the spread was basically born in the Big 12. They get players on the same level as any conference with skill position players. They do not on the D or OL.

It is a dig according to you, I am not diminishing his talent at all, just the need of it on this team. I had him and Jeudy as interchangeable best WR's on the board with Ruggs a very close 2nd. I do not believe the Cowboys needed a WR in the 1st round but they did need more players for that D. I would have preferred they pick up maybe another 2nd and 3rd with a trade.

 

[Bullflop]

There's a reason and a pretty good one, I believe, that CeeDee was generally considered the best WR candidate in the entire draft. While it's likely true that we won't know beyond a doubt that he's as superior as we think right now, but if I were a betting man, I'd be inclined to put my money on him. His talents on film stand out more convincingly than anyone I've seen in years. I think there will be many other teams that wish they'd decided to take him before we did a few years from now. I have no doubt, whatsoever, that the Philly fans surely will.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lamb will be better than Dez.

 

[the_h0wey]

Super stoked about him. I’ve stopped openly wishing for players since Aaron Donald (with the exception of stupidly hoping for a Derwin James tradeup) because it never pans out and the boys just do their own thing.

HOWEVER. I was crazy running around the house screaming for Lamb from when the Broncos took Jeudy on. And when they were on the clock I celebrated before the pick was even announced, because I just knew it.

I don't believe you. I guess what I want is Proof

 

[TwoDeep3]

Keeping him from the Eagles was the bonus but we do not know if they could have traded that pick because everyone in the draft knew that Lamb was better than the 17th pick.

Chaisson will be one we compare as we move forward but it's not like there was a top 10 D pick to take instead of Lamb so I get the value and it's real value.

I would have preferred to trade and use an additional pick on D because that has been the problem. WR has not been a problem as robjay pointed out the almost 3 K WR's last season.

The other value of Lamb is not having to pay Gallup heavy money because he's going to want that because Booger's been opening the bank. Wouldn't surprise me for them to try to move Lamb to the #2 spot asap but there are going to be more 3 WR sets than we've ever seen before so it really doesn't matter.

You moved the goalpost. The Eagles would have had a shot at Lamb sitting at 21.

Trading and moving is and has always been a Madden move for me. If the draft is a crap shoot, and regardless of the Joe Montana and Tom Brady anecdotes, the talent is at the top. So moving down for an extra pick closer to the runts of the litter instead of the blue ribbon pieces at the top is sketchy at best in my mind. If its a crap shoot picking one top flight player near the top of round one, how does that not double by trading away your best pick for two lesser players?

 

[Risen Star]

Wishfully thinking Lamb and Cooper turn out to be better than what we hoped for Dez and Miles Austin.

Dude. Not even close.

 

[Risen Star]

I read an article back in the 70's about college football versus pro football. I want to say this was in a sporting magazine like SI or some such. Definitely pre-ESPN. However this also may have been in a gentleman's magazine. The format was a debate where one "journalist" wrote the pro and the other wrote the con. Meaning one author wrote about how college football was a better sport than pro football and vice versa.

I recall the article on why pro is a better product stated the pro game is more pure than college. The idea is with pro football you have just the best of the best - for the most part - on the field at the same time.

When you see a running back - and I think the example was Earl Campbell and his completely running over defenders - when your star running back runs over a safety, the guy playing safety may have been a math major and would never get a shot at the pros because he just wasn't good enough. So when you see guys post obscene numbers in college, you must entertain the idea that you have people playing across from the best who are not at the top level, and grade with that in mind.

Now I am not here to argue this article or which is the better game. But I am here to talk about Lamb.

He was slippery in college. Seemed to break tackles, and more than usual. I can't help but think about that argument and wonder if he will not have that allusiveness in the pros.

He is 6'2" and 198 pounds. One would imagine after a year in the weight room for the Cowboys he will muscle up even more. And he is close to what Irvin was coming out of college. Irvin had him by 9 pounds.

I am thrilled by this pick. But this is an age where we tend to question people. And I am a show me kind of fan and have been for a long time.

My concern, and truthfully it is a mild concern, is he will not be this tackle breaking fool he was in college and his game comes back to earth a bit. Or enough which answers the question 'why did this guy fall so far?'

Just hand wringing during the weirdest off season for this team ever.

Show me fan likes Prescott but worries about Lamb's "allusiveness".

And he's got a 40 year old article to back him up.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I read an article back in the 70's about college football versus pro football. I want to say this was in a sporting magazine like SI or some such. Definitely pre-ESPN. However this also may have been in a gentleman's magazine. The format was a debate where one "journalist" wrote the pro and the other wrote the con. Meaning one author wrote about how college football was a better sport than pro football and vice versa.

I recall the article on why pro is a better product stated the pro game is more pure than college. The idea is with pro football you have just the best of the best - for the most part - on the field at the same time.

When you see a running back - and I think the example was Earl Campbell and his completely running over defenders - when your star running back runs over a safety, the guy playing safety may have been a math major and would never get a shot at the pros because he just wasn't good enough. So when you see guys post obscene numbers in college, you must entertain the idea that you have people playing across from the best who are not at the top level, and grade with that in mind.

Now I am not here to argue this article or which is the better game. But I am here to talk about Lamb.

He was slippery in college. Seemed to break tackles, and more than usual. I can't help but think about that argument and wonder if he will not have that allusiveness in the pros.

He is 6'2" and 198 pounds. One would imagine after a year in the weight room for the Cowboys he will muscle up even more. And he is close to what Irvin was coming out of college. Irvin had him by 9 pounds.

I am thrilled by this pick. But this is an age where we tend to question people. And I am a show me kind of fan and have been for a long time.

My concern, and truthfully it is a mild concern, is he will not be this tackle breaking fool he was in college and his game comes back to earth a bit. Or enough which answers the question 'why did this guy fall so far?'

Just hand wringing during the weirdest off season for this team ever.

Okay...you read an article 40+ years ago? Hmmm...dude.


So...I've said many times I am not a football expert let alone NFL. (so I do have a hard time keeping up with all the experts HERE!) However.....I am pretty good on guitar. I could hand YOU a guitar and I tell if you are any good within seconds. You wouldn't not even have to be in an arena or bar "stage". Just the way you held it and strum a few chords or a scale.

So....I expect the true NFL experts, like our scouts, coaches and execs....to have the same sort of skills. They've actually done a pretty good job the last 4-5 years or so, with the exception what seems like a few Jerry and/or Marinelli pet projects. They can tell. True...it doesn't always pan out but the telltales are there.

There's a saying for every off season...hope springs eternal. Like I said, I'm not analytic expert so that part of it escapes me...but I AM, and HAVE BEEN...many years a fan. I find having some optimism is WAY more fun than hand wringing and reserve. Some people think it's not cool to invest like that...don;t care. I feel a certain air of excitement and optimism. Not afraid of that all hope crushed feeling. Bring it on. FUN! It's what all this is supposed to be about. Not constant bickering, one-upmanship and complete "objectivity" ... BOO THAT!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Show me fan likes Prescott but worries about Lamb's "allusiveness".

And he's got a 40 year old article to back him up.

You beat me to it. 40 years ago? What the....

 

[DFWJC]

Wishfully thinking Lamb and Cooper turn out to be better than what we hoped for Dez and Miles Austin.

Hope he's better than MIles---who had just one great year and a couple of ok ones. I've always considered him mostly (not all) a product of Romo.

Really looking forward to this year's trio!

 

[StarBoyz83]

i was too nervous. i kept watching ATL's countdown hoping a trade wasn't announced....once they picked and we were on the clock, the celebration was on!

Thought for sure atl was going to take him

 

[quickccc]

- Dez Bryant was a fall too. but that included the Deion Sanders debacle that saw him cut short his last year at OSU.

- Desean Jackson into the 2nd round, smallish and a "fear' of his diva personality ?

- Warren Sapp saw a controversial marijuana test drop him out of top 5-8

- we're well aware of us bypassing randy moss via fear of Michael Irvin like character issues.

- Stiil have no idea what caused All pro Lamar Woodley to drop into 3rd rd,.

- Lesean McCoy dropped well into the 3rd round

- ditto HOFer Thurman Thomas into the 2nd round, despite a very productive OSU career.

- who can forget all time gun shooter HOF'er dan Marino slipping almost last in 1st round.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Show me fan likes Prescott but worries about Lamb's "allusiveness".

And he's got a 40 year old article to back him up.

Okay...you read an article 40+ years ago? Hmmm...dude.


So...I've said many times I am not a football expert let alone NFL. (so I do have a hard time keeping up with all the experts HERE!) However.....I am pretty good on guitar. I could hand YOU a guitar and I tell if you are any good within seconds. You wouldn't not even have to be in an arena or bar "stage". Just the way you held it and strum a few chords or a scale.

So....I expect the true NFL experts, like our scouts, coaches and execs....to have the same sort of skills. They've actually done a pretty good job the last 4-5 years or so, with the exception what seems like a few Jerry and/or Marinelli pet projects. They can tell. True...it doesn't always pan out but the telltales are there.

There's a saying for every off season...hope springs eternal. Like I said, I'm not analytic expert so that part of it escapes me...but I AM, and HAVE BEEN...many years a fan. I find having some optimism is WAY more fun than hand wringing and reserve. Some people think it's not cool to invest like that...don;t care. I feel a certain air of excitement and optimism. Not afraid of that all hope crushed feeling. Bring it on. FUN! It's what all this is supposed to be about. Not constant bickering, one-upmanship and complete "objectivity" ... BOO THAT!

The date of the article was not really important, except to you and Risen. I cited the article as a frame of reference concerning a reason as to how players come into the league with great reputations and then fail or disappoint. That may have been forty years ago, but nothing has changed about the debate proffered. Every year there are players selected and within three years they prove to have been over-valued or busts. A hell of a lot more than you see with the Brady's and Montana's who slip far lower than their talent proves to be.

You then went on to tell me about this team and how they have been doing good in the draft for four or five years. Yet, if you mention Connor Williams, Trysten Hill, and a few others, the brain trust on this site will go into orbit about the poor drafting. Or toss out TJ Watt and see what the temperament is here.

One of the points couchcoach brought up was OU plays in the Big 12 which is not known for tackling. I neither agree or disagree with that point. Yet if this players forte is the RAC, and the competition is less than stellar in college, it's not being negative to contemplate how he will transition.

After all, it was just a question. But, as a side note, I am pretty pumped about MM and this coming season. I think this draft will prove to be one of the best this team has fielded in more than four or five years. Certainly better than the Special Teams draft Jerry heralded which still causes real football men to laugh uncontrollably.

I, too, play the guitar. I understand your analogy. However, the guitar and the individual level of expertise is so arbitrary. What is good? What is proficient? What is professional?

I believe assessing the skill set of a player in college and then extrapolating it to the pros may be more difficult. Surely this team we both follow has shown a propensity to pick the lame horse in the Kentucky Derby with a frequency that suggesting they are good is questionable for even the last 4-5 years considering some of their selections.

As far as Risen, his comment was based on advice from his psychologist that Cowboy Zone is an outlet to thwart his angst at his life-long bed wetting. It seems "likes" builds his self esteem, supplanting the necessity of plastic underoos.

 

[Bowdown27]

I couldn’t believe he fell to us either. Let’s hope it was the right move. We’re all hopeful he’s going to be the next big thing but doesn’t mean he will be. Fingers crossed.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The date of the article was not really important, except to you and Risen. I cited the article as a frame of reference concerning a reason as to how players come into the league with great reputations and then fail or disappoint. That may have been forty years ago, but nothing has changed about the debate proffered. Every year there are players selected and within three years they prove to have been over-valued or busts. A hell of a lot more than you see with the Brady's and Montana's who slip far lower than their talent proves to be.

You then went on to tell me about this team and how they have been doing good in the draft for four or five years. Yet, if you mention Connor Williams, Trysten Hill, and a few others, the brain trust on this site will go into orbit about the poor drafting. Or toss out TJ Watt and see what the temperament is here.

One of the points couchcoach brought up was OU plays in the Big 12 which is not known for tackling. I neither agree or disagree with that point. Yet if this players forte is the RAC, and the competition is less than stellar in college, it's not being negative to contemplate how he will transition.

After all, it was just a question. But, as a side note, I am pretty pumped about MM and this coming season. I think this draft will prove to be one of the best this team has fielded in more than four or five years. Certainly better than the Special Teams draft Jerry heralded which still causes real football men to laugh uncontrollably.

I, too, play the guitar. I understand your analogy. However, the guitar and the individual level of expertise is so arbitrary. What is good? What is proficient? What is professional?

I believe assessing the skill set of a player in college and then extrapolating it to the pros may be more difficult. Surely this team we both follow has shown a propensity to pick the lame horse in the Kentucky Derby with a frequency that suggesting they are good is questionable for even the last 4-5 years considering some of their selections.

As far as Risen, his comment was based on advice from his psychologist that Cowboy Zone is an outlet to thwart his angst at his life-long bed wetting. It seems "likes" builds his self esteem, supplanting the necessity of plastic underoos.

I will not debate the psychology of humans over the internet let alone on a sports forum. Who is thwarting who? really? Very childish and superficial direction....and I won't have it.


If you do not understand the concept of the fundamentals of playing guitar...then we don't have very much common ground to have any conversation here. Music theory and knowledge of the guitar basics....are a science. I'm not a metal guitar player, not blues, not lead or rhythm...I am a guitar player in all and every aspects.... with SOME teaching experience...by request. I have also played bass in bands, play drums and trumpet and I also record and run live sound. You could play anything you want....and I can tell. It most certainly is NOT "arbitrary". Personal taste.. what you listen to or play...is, surely. But I don;t worry about such non sense. If you are good then you are good and there are telltales.

So...I am going to disagree with you WHOLE HEARTEDLY and with prejudice...but with decades of knowledge and experience.

In regards to our team...I find common ground. I hold hope and excitement that much of our previous ills are coaching. I have said that anyone who makes MM's roster has a free pass this season. I'm going to give them a chance to be coached by a super bowl winning coach and his staff. But then I admit I am not an NFL expert like I am guitar. So....just another homer opinion there.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I couldn’t believe he fell to us either. Let’s hope it was the right move. We’re all hopeful he’s going to be the next big thing but doesn’t mean he will be. Fingers crossed.

Nothing ever is. As fans.....we should be more hopeful than negative. It's what being a fan is all about. "fanatical".

If you want to be a strict objective......than go be on ESPN.

(not you personally 27...just in general)

 

[Bowdown27]

Nothing ever is. As fans.....we should be more hopeful than negative. It's what being a fan is all about. "fanatical".

If you want to be a strict objective......than go be on ESPN.

(not you personally 27...just in general)

I get you totally and agree. But that’s not always on this board. More negative feelings

 

[cowboyec]

haven't been this excited about a 1st Rd pick in a long time...even more than Zeke.
maybe Aikman level.