“Don’t pay Dak” crowd, what’s your QB solution?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Smith he’s not the left tackle he once was. I’m hoping we replace Freddy. Zach man he’s the leader of the offense. We still need a left guard

I think we have a left guard. I actually feel really good about this OL if Center works out.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Could you explain that?

Surely if he signed in 2019, it could included an increased for 2019 as well as an extension for 4 years.

wE

That is how all nfl extensions work. They are added on the end of the existing contract. Like Zeke hasn't even hit his new money yet because he had two years left on his deal (year 4 of his rookie deal and the 5th year option).

 

[Rockport]

Aikman- Ex DALLAS QB

Irvin - Ex DALLAS WR

J Johnson- Ex DALLAS Head Coach

Moose- Ex DALLAS FB

Talking about Current DALLAS QB.... What do you expect them to say when asked????

As far as BB- LOL he ALWAYS says very kind words about any player & team the week he is playing them....He even admits to doing this all the time. Since they played and Dallas put up ZERO TD's.... What has BB said since than????????

 

[Hennessy_King]

The reporting doesn't really support that. If we can believe the reporting, his offer was like 31/33 AAV and that's inline with what everybody got paid. Remember, Dak and CAA had basically agreed to that and then once they got it, they upped the price. I don't believe this was on the Cowboys at all. Consistently, the Cowboys have come up to meet demands and just as consistently, the demands have changed. First it was 27 to 31, the Cowboys did that. Then it was 31 to 35, Cowboys did that. Now who knows where the number is? I think this is all on Dak and CAA Brother.

His camped would up the price everytime another qb got their deal done.

 

[Redball Express]

What does any team do when they need to find another franchise QB? Whatever that is, that’s the plan. I’m not necessarily in the don’t pay Dak camp. I might say I’m in the don’t pay Dak much more than Goff and Wentz camp. There’s no way to justify going below those two but there also really is no way to justify him wanting more than them. I get the four year thing and am fine with it. If he plays hardball for outrageous money, then The Double D’s it is for this year and begin the search for the next franchise QB next off season. What other plan can there be?

If you are not going do a mega deal with Dak then I think you must preserve Dak's money to be used to sign FAs.

I would play Dalton and see what happens with cuts later. We have no clue who might become availabe.

I would call Andrew Luck to see if he wants to try again. He got the Colts his last year into the playoffs. Pretty amazing for a guy on his way out.

Of course Dalton gets to play in 2020 and if he is an answer you sign a new deal.

And you save a bunch more money in 2021 that you did not load into Dak's deal..

saving another $35-40 mil and on and on.

If we lose in 2020 we need to lose big and get a top 2-3 draft pick and draft a QB.

Then Dalton is phased out and we hold the key players over until the new QB grows wings.

This is not rocket science. But you can have to set personal loyalties aside.

You make decisions that make sense for all the players on the team to play and get better contracts DTR.

If just pile all your money into 6 players to be your team..

you will fail.

Injuries, players jumping to other teams for more money or a better chance for more playing time will hurt your efforts.

Spread your resources and take risk only when needed.

I would prefer to be a contender over a 5 year period than blow the whole thing up every 3 years trying to win for one or two years then nothing.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I don't think Booger's ego would allow him to do that. While I agree that both of those QB's would probably be better than Prescott, the competition for them is going to be stiff.

Don't you get the feeling that the OL window is only going to be open for a couple of more years? I don't focus on much past the upcoming season with this brain trust.

The other factor here is selfishness. Older fans are more about now than the younger ones and losing to win isn't as enticing to us, just speaking for my own old self.

I'd obviously prefer Dak to lead Dallas to the super bowl this year. But, it might not be a feat he is capable of pulling off. So, after year 4 of the Dak experience, how do you justify a 100 million dollar gauntantee (which around what he wants) without some significant playoff success?

As an "older" fan, I want to see the team make smart moves for now and the future. I was against drafting Zeke and resigning him 2 years early. I was against trading for Amari Cooper and resigning him. When you look around the league, the teams that are in the super bowl hunt every year or every other year , rely on rookie contracts/ underpaid veterans to fill those positions. Once you start paying those positions top dollar, your roster depth goes to hell. If we sign Dak to the contract he wants, we will have the top paid WR, RB, and QB in the NFL. There is no precedent of teams doing that and succeeding in the NFL.

 

[Redball Express]

I'd obviously prefer Dak to lead Dallas to the super bowl this year. But, it might not be a feat he is capable of pulling off. So, after year 4 of the Dak experience, how do you justify a 100 million dollar gauntantee (which around what he wants) without some significant playoff success?

As an "older" fan, I want to see the team make smart moves for now and the future. I was against drafting Zeke and resigning him 2 years early. I was against trading for Amari Cooper and resigning him. When you look around the league, the teams that are in the super bowl hunt every year or every other year , rely on rookie contracts/ underpaid veterans to fill those positions. Once you start paying those positions top dollar, your roster depth goes to hell. If we sign Dak to the contract he wants, we will have the top paid WR, RB, and QB in the NFL. There is no precedent of teams doing that and succeeding in the NFL.

I see what you see.

What I do not understand about not signing Dak and instead use the money to build the team..

In 2020 we would save $35mil, then in 2021 you save another $35-40 mil, then in 2022 $42 mil, etc. These are just guesses of what the savings will inject into our roster.

That's like doubling our talent with 2 drafts each year. One the college draft and the second the FA draft we will be running each year and for 2 more years after that.

Those are staggering numbers to think about.

We have done well budgeting our contracts to get this far.

Why would you just pay Dak the money instead?

That makes zero sense.

 

[romonumberone]

I will dedicate ONE last question to the smartest one,

So if what all the ex Cowboy's are saying is true than wouldn't it also be true that of the 60 different times that Dak & Zeke have played together..... in all of those 60 games.... with 60 different D coordinators and all their assistant's. Would just ONCE of those 60 game plans would they be out to stop Dak first and Zeke second.... and yet all 60 times it is always the same game plan answer.... we have to stop Zeke first and just let Dak throw the football.

Funny when Mahomes plays.... Or Brady... Or Peyton Manning.... it is a victory for the Defense if the QB will simply just hand the ball off to the RB.

 

[Corso]

Just curious, for the “Don’t pay Dak” crowd what’s your solution for QB. This year and for the immediate short term. Play Dak on tag? Dalton? Trade? If so who?

My solution is to not give a flip about extremist groups and their diatribe.

They're bleep bleep white noise and don't even need to be responded to. Crap don't need the smell to spread.

 

[Corso]

I will dedicate ONE last question to the smartest one,

So if what all the ex Cowboy's are saying is true than wouldn't it also be true that of the 60 different times that Dak & Zeke have played together..... in all of those 60 games.... with 60 different D coordinators and all their assistant's. Would just ONCE of those 60 game plans would they be out to stop Dak first and Zeke second.... and yet all 60 times it is always the same game plan answer.... we have to stop Zeke first and just let Dak throw the football.

Funny when Mahomes plays.... Or Brady... Or Peyton Manning.... it is a victory for the Defense if the QB will simply just hand the ball off to the RB.

Lol.. look at you all stuff on that horse!
One thing I learned about doing things in a shirt like that and trying to do work: keep the arms closed when someone is taking a pic of you.

Happens all the time for me. You you know why- ahem... pit stains.

 

[Rockport]

I will dedicate ONE last question to the smartest one,

So if what all the ex Cowboy's are saying is true than wouldn't it also be true that of the 60 different times that Dak & Zeke have played together..... in all of those 60 games.... with 60 different D coordinators and all their assistant's. Would just ONCE of those 60 game plans would they be out to stop Dak first and Zeke second.... and yet all 60 times it is always the same game plan answer.... we have to stop Zeke first and just let Dak throw the football.

Funny when Mahomes plays.... Or Brady... Or Peyton Manning.... it is a victory for the Defense if the QB will simply just hand the ball off to the RB.

Well football 101 is always to stop the run first. From Pee-wee to the pros. A team doesn’t have to run 150yrds a game. All they have to do is be able to run effectively and impose their will. You stop that, and you have a chance to win against any team.

 

[buybuydandavis]

If Dalton won a super bowl for us, he MIGHT get 25.

Spotrac estimated him at 25 already. That's too high.

But the QB market is odd. Only 2 QBs between 21 and 9 mil. The Rookie/Veteran divide is huge. I wish they put the date of the contract in the table. 25+ is looking pretty standard for a starter these days.

If Dalton got the season start, he could have a very good year with all the tools we have. Add in a SB. I could see him getting north of 30. Tannehill got just shy of 30 from one great partial season at TEN, after a career of meh.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/andy-dalton-7750/market-value/a

 

[jaythecowboy]

His camped would up the price everytime another qb got their deal done.

The AAV wasn't the issue. It was the years and guaranteed money. Cowboys still haven't offered more guaranteed money than Wentz or Goff.

 

[basel90]

Nowhere in my post did I say Dak was elite, nor did I say that his 6% higher completion percentage is worth $32M. I'm simply pointing out that Dalton was called "accurate" and Dak is apparently somebody that lucks into a high completion %. No question that Dak misses some throws, just like every QB that has ever played the game. Do I think he is worth $35M? Nope, but that's what he's going to get. Do I think Dalton is a better QB? Also nope. All these extra millions that you want to spend on the defense wouldn't be spent this year in a way to make a significant difference. They also won't be there next year because you would have to pay Dalton $25M+ to keep him around, assuming that he has a great year. If he doesn't, you are back to square one with some rookie crap shoot.

Our WR's are superior, yet they dropped the ball more than Cincy's last year?

1-we could Still absolutely use some cap space for next season and beyond .
2- dalton won’t demand 25 ++ mill . Probably a team Freindly 20 mil . Still a saving of around 15 mil . Which is huge .
3- Dak operated with a superior OL and WR and RB
4- we have Cee Dee this year . So whoever becomes the QB , will complete more.

I still think dalton is a more accurate QB

 

[plasticman]

The "Don't Pay Dak" Plan:

1. Waste half the season with Dalton, because that's probably going to be the most you will get.

2. Waste a draft pick on a bandaide "Cassel" type QB to limp through the remainder of the season,

3. Hope you can wiggle your way to the top, which won't be that far away, of the 1st round to get your next franchise QB......by trading away future draft picks thus destroying future success by some degree.

4. Wait for the right moment to insert the new great Cowboy QB into the starting lineup during the 2021 season.

5. Now that the Cowboys have their "franchise" quarterback for the 2022 season, it's time to rebuild! Because, guess what? Half of the team won't be there having retired or moving on to a different team via free agency.

7. By the 2026 season the Cowboys should be rebuilt, but guess what? It's contract time for your franchise quarterback! Yay!!!!

 

[HotDog37]

Just curious, for the “Don’t pay Dak” crowd what’s your solution for QB. This year and for the immediate short term. Play Dak on tag? Dalton? Trade? If so who?

That's a very good question and the way you frame it -- is done by so many in other forums all over the world regarding various topics at times from someone looking (trolling) for the explanation for what they actually want. It's nearly always a setup for an argumentative type situation where you place a poster in a position to defend his reply to your question. Instead I have an excellent idea just for you.

Here we go:

For the “ Pay Dak ” crowd what’s your reason to pay him 35+ million as your future QB? This year and for the immediate short term or long term. Dalton? How good do you think he is and do you think he could fit in a "pinch" if needed? Does it look to you like we need go out out and get more quarterbacks? if so, who do we need to get?

 

[CowboyoWales]

That is how all nfl extensions work. They are added on the end of the existing contract. Like Zeke hasn't even hit his new money yet because he had two years left on his deal (year 4 of his rookie deal and the 5th year option).

As I read if, the rookie deal can be renegotiated after the 3rd year.

Get creative, rip up the existing contract and sign another one that pays the player earlier or gives bonus'.

I was able to retire at 51 after renegotiating my contract a number of years ago....everything is possible if parties sit down and negotiate.

In this case there appears to be CAA lack of interest in looking for a solution....saw a weak and vulnerable JJ (negotiation history) and thought they'd capitalise.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Do I really have to answer this for you?

Martin, Collins, Tyron Smith, Cooper, Lamb, Zeke, Dak (will be), Pollard, young Olineman, Jarwin

Lawrence, Poe and McCoy for 2 or 3 years, LVE, Jaylon, Diggs,

Am I missing anyone?

Gallup is only in his 3rd year and LVE we can keep for this year and two other years. Rookie DT is good for 4 years.

You can see clearly the window and the planning.

As with the 2019 team, looks good on paper....however:

1) Spoken like a true Cowboys fan - NO DEFENCE

2) LAWRENCE - not playing up to contract and a candidate to be released for $5m before 2022 ……. GO CHECK THE REMAINING CAP FOR 2022.

3) POE and McCOY - good additions but NOT the leaders of a SB winning team.

4) POE - FA before 2022 season (2 year window) - check point 2) to remind you about the CAP in 2022.

5) LVE - where is the cover, good when on field. I suppose without LEE and ALDON likely gone (retirement and affordability respectively) - we could play with 1 1/2 LB's

6) The following cheap or secondary players are FA's in the next two years: LEE, SMITH, GREGORY, CRAWFORD, WOODS, AWUZIE, CLINTON-DIX, LEWIS.....whilst not core, how do you replace on a shoestring.

7) So one of our greatest reasons for not proceeding to and through the playoffs is our Secondary and you want to play with a core of one ROOKIE.

8) ESTIMATED CAP SPACE LEFT:

2020 - $11M,
2021 - $36M (That's after removing the FA's and replacing with basic pays AND NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT A QB)
2022 - $54M (Again removing FA's and not including a QB..... will have to consider releasing COOPER and LAWRENCE (which leases $30m, but creates gaps).

THAT IS NOT A GOOD CORE ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL.

 

[CowboyRoy]

As with the 2019 team, looks good on paper....however:

1) Spoken like a true Cowboys fan - NO DEFENCE

2) LAWRENCE - not playing up to contract and a candidate to be released for $5m before 2022 ……. GO CHECK THE REMAINING CAP FOR 2022.

3) POE and McCOY - good additions but NOT the leaders of a SB winning team.

4) POE - FA before 2022 season (2 year window) - check point 2) to remind you about the CAP in 2022.

5) LVE - where is the cover, good when on field. I suppose without LEE and ALDON likely gone (retirement and affordability respectively) - we could play with 1 1/2 LB's

6) The following cheap or secondary players are FA's in the next two years: LEE, SMITH, GREGORY, CRAWFORD, WOODS, AWUZIE, CLINTON-DIX, LEWIS.....whilst not core, how do you replace on a shoestring.

7) So one of our greatest reasons for not proceeding to and through the playoffs is our Secondary and you want to play with a core of one ROOKIE.

8) ESTIMATED CAP SPACE LEFT:

2020 - $11M,
2021 - $36M (That's after removing the FA's and replacing with basic pays AND NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT A QB)
2022 - $54M (Again removing FA's and not including a QB..... will have to consider releasing COOPER and LAWRENCE (which leases $30m, but creates gaps).

THAT IS NOT A GOOD CORE ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL.

You didn't even know who are core was and now you want to act like you can analyze them?

Garbage analysis

 

[INCowboysFan]

1-we could Still absolutely use some cap space for next season and beyond .
2- dalton won’t demand 25 ++ mill . Probably a team Freindly 20 mil . Still a saving of around 15 mil . Which is huge .
3- Dak operated with a superior OL and WR and RB
4- we have Cee Dee this year . So whoever becomes the QB , will complete more.

I still think dalton is a more accurate QB

1. No doubt
2. Tannehill made a run to the AFCCG and cashed in for $29.5M. If Dalton were to start for us and made a similar run, there is no way he settles for $20M. He will want that last big contract, and it would likely be at Tannehill's level.
3. You keep saying our WR's were superior, yet they dropped balls at a higher rate than Cincy's. While I do agree that Cooper/Gallup were better that what Cincy rolled out, Cobb and Witten were not all that good for us.
4. That's certainly the hope.