Video: Why the Cowboys are terrified of signing Dak Prescott

[SteveTheCowboy]

So you're another one that just wished Prescott didn't try to make comebacks and just quit so you can just call him a quitter instead. Nobody likes losing but even if a game is unlikely to make a complete comeback most fans if they have to take a loss, they would rather it be a loss by 2 or 4 instead of 10, 14, 17 points. You may not care but like I said most fans would rather take a loss by a few points than all the ridicule of a big blow out loss.

And you're also another of those that put the blame entirely on Prescott in a TEAM game. Maybe if that Cowboys receiving corp that led the league in drops caught more passes the Cowboys might have won more games or maybe if Elliott didn't have SIX subpar games with rushing totals of 60 or fewer yards, one with only 35 on 18 carries they might have won more games. Or how about the defense that was last in the league in picks and ranked 29th in fewest 3 and outs. Lets not forget a special teams that was terrible all season long and lastly coaching. But you want to blame Prescott for all of those losses.
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I keep hearing this "drop" thing. So I looked it up....actually Dallas tied with 2 other teams for "drops". And NINE teams had 30 drops or more. So....it's not a GOOD place to be but it's not excessively worse than anyone many other teams.

I also have to persist in taking issue with "drops". I have found inconsistent definitions here....but it seems to be a judgment call. It's my opinion receiver gets tagged with the drop even when a QB or tipped ball also contributed.

Tackles, sacks, receptions, even yards....are all "hard" stats. "drops" not. I personally would be wary of using them in any great way...either for or against.

 

[glimmerman]

I keep hearing this "drop" thing. So I looked it up....actually Dallas tied with 2 other teams for "drops". And NINE teams had 30 drops or more. So....it's not a GOOD place to be but it's not excessively worse than anyone many other teams.

I also have to persist in taking issue with "drops". I have found inconsistent definitions here....but it seems to be a judgment call. It's my opinion receiver gets tagged with the drop even when a QB or tipped ball also contributed.

Tackles, sacks, receptions, even yards....are all "hard" stats. "drops" not. I personally would be wary of using them in any great way...either for or against.

Someone put up the official definition of a drop. Tipped passes don’t count. If the ball hits both hands and isn’t caught then it’s a drop. Some of the drops were just drops. Some were off passes but good enough for the WR to get his hands on. It’s not a stat I care for. But we seemed to have a few more or more often than other teams. I blame that on coaching. This is why your coach makes you practice and they have that jugs machine. The coach needs to have them on the field using it when not running plays.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Here's why your analysis of Prescott is only a reflection of your dislike for him. Going into free agency Prescott was the NUMBER ONE ranked free agent in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. A QB that as you say isn't even top ranked on tier 2 are not ranked as the NUMBER ONE free agent in the ENTIRE league. Players in those rankings aren't based on a blinding hatred. They don't rank based on their hatred for players. Now I can't answer for anyone else, but which ranking will I believe, the one on NFL site or a fan who hates the player they are ranking, the list on NFL 1000 out of 1000 times.
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Would you say some people judge him based on their....love?...for him? Or say....opposite of "hate"?

It's interesting to me...the stats people pick to prove their opinions on the matter. Very telling. Or saying things like "eye test is stupid"...while they talk about things like "QB footwork". How else you gonna do it?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Someone put up the official definition of a drop. Tipped passes don’t count. If the ball hits both hands and isn’t caught then it’s a drop. Some of the drops were just drops. Some were off passes but good enough for the WR to get his hands on. It’s not a stat I care for. But we seemed to have a few more or more often than other teams. I blame that on coaching. This is why your coach makes you practice and they have that jugs machine. The coach needs to have them on the field using it when not running plays.

So you know we weren't using proper equipment and coaching....how? Not trying to trap you...just interested in where this iinfo comes from...in a civil friendly way.

Well..I found information that is contradictory.....so....

What constitutes a dropped pass?
Sep 28, 2011

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Good question in the comments section from Los Angeles Rams of St. Louis regarding dropped passes: What constitutes one, exactly?

2011 Drops Through Week 3
Hank Gargiulo of ESPN Stats & Information passed along the written standard our game charters rely upon to reduce subjectivity.

This standard says drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."

Basically, we're talking about blatant drops, not the ones where your old man leans over and says anything that grazed the receiver anywhere was a drop in his day.

"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion," ESPN tells its game charters. "Pass interference that wasn't called/passes thrown just outside the receiver's reach, etc., are NOT drops."

Drops
What is Drops?
This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it. If the ball is thrown but the receiver never gets his hands on it, it is not recorded as a drop. It is recorded by some teams and publications, but not officially by the NFL.

Sporting Charts explains Dropped Pass - Drops
Dropping passes is an accepted part of the game, but professional receivers are expected to catch every ball thrown their way that is not batted down by a defender or outside their reach. As such, dropped passes are recorded to keep track of which receivers are actually catching the ball when they are supposed to. Typically and on average, a professional receiver will drop about 8-9 passes over the course of a season. The widely recognized leader of passes dropped for a season is Terrell Owens, but finding exact numbers is difficult.

 

[glimmerman]

So you know we weren't using proper equipment and coaching....how? Not trying to trap you...just interested in where this iinfo comes from...in a civil friendly way.

Well..I found information that is contradictory.....so....

What constitutes a dropped pass?
Sep 28, 2011

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Good question in the comments section from Los Angeles Rams of St. Louis regarding dropped passes: What constitutes one, exactly?

2011 Drops Through Week 3
Hank Gargiulo of ESPN Stats & Information passed along the written standard our game charters rely upon to reduce subjectivity.

This standard says drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."

Basically, we're talking about blatant drops, not the ones where your old man leans over and says anything that grazed the receiver anywhere was a drop in his day.

"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion," ESPN tells its game charters. "Pass interference that wasn't called/passes thrown just outside the receiver's reach, etc., are NOT drops."

Drops
What is Drops?
This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it. If the ball is thrown but the receiver never gets his hands on it, it is not recorded as a drop. It is recorded by some teams and publications, but not officially by the NFL.

Sporting Charts explains Dropped Pass - Drops
Dropping passes is an accepted part of the game, but professional receivers are expected to catch every ball thrown their way that is not batted down by a defender or outside their reach. As such, dropped passes are recorded to keep track of which receivers are actually catching the ball when they are supposed to. Typically and on average, a professional receiver will drop about 8-9 passes over the course of a season. The widely recognized leader of passes dropped for a season is Terrell Owens, but finding exact numbers is difficult.

How dare you attack me. How dare you come at me with facts.. Lol. Joking.

Under the definition of Drops it says if the WR gets his HANDS on it. Not hand but hands. If it hits both hands then it has to be mostly in there catching radius..

And if our receivers are having problems with catching the football then I am only assuming the coaches aren’t doing there jobs in helping to fix the problem and the machine I know of that passes the ball is the jugs machine. So I would have them on it all day if they are having a issue. Just my opinion.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

How dare you attack me. How dare you come at me with facts.. Lol. Joking.

Under the definition of Drops it says if the WR gets his HANDS on it. Not hand but hands. If it hits both hands then it has to be mostly in there catching radius..

And if our receivers are having problems with catching the football then I am only assuming the coaches aren’t doing there jobs in helping to fix the problem and the machine I know of that passes the ball is the jugs machine. So I would have them on it all day if they are having a issue. Just my opinion.

Fair enough!

 

[gjkoeppen]

I keep hearing this "drop" thing. So I looked it up....actually Dallas tied with 2 other teams for "drops". And NINE teams had 30 drops or more. So....it's not a GOOD place to be but it's not excessively worse than anyone many other teams.

I also have to persist in taking issue with "drops". I have found inconsistent definitions here....but it seems to be a judgment call. It's my opinion receiver gets tagged with the drop even when a QB or tipped ball also contributed.

Tackles, sacks, receptions, even yards....are all "hard" stats. "drops" not. I personally would be wary of using them in any great way...either for or against.

The NFL's definition of a drop pass is a pass that a receiver gets both hands on the ball and under like conditions other receivers would normally be believed to catch that same pass. A single hand on the ball and a drop may count if the receiver only attempts the catch with one hand. There is nothing in the NFL's definition about putting any blame on the QB for a dropped pass. They may be at fault for incompleted pass that were uncatchable, but not for drops. Also the stats you used are for ALL dropped passes that include RB and eligible linemen who dropped passes. The Cowboys receiving corp of just WR's and TE's led the league by their lonesome in drops of all other team's receiving corps of just WR's and TE's.
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[gjkoeppen]

Would you say some people judge him based on their....love?...for him? Or say....opposite of "hate"?

It's interesting to me...the stats people pick to prove their opinions on the matter. Very telling. Or saying things like "eye test is stupid"...while they talk about things like "QB footwork". How else you gonna do it?

Unless these fans that want to use "eye test" have any actual coaching experience in the NFL then their eye test isn't any better than yours, mine or any other novice fan who wants to play NFL coach, key words trying to play NFL coach. Talking about Prescott, he's not my favorite player nor do I think he's the best QB in the league but I do think he's far better than those that hate him. There is one thing that the haters just love to overlook. Going into the off season Prescott was rated as the NUMBER ONE free agent in the entire league. The player rated #1 isn't just an average or below average player the haters try to paint him as. The ratings are done by people that aren't Cowboys fans and aren't out spoken against Prescott like haters are.
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[SteveTheCowboy]

Unless these fans that want to use "eye test" have any actual coaching experience in the NFL then their eye test isn't any better than yours, mine or any other novice fan who wants to play NFL coach, key words trying to play NFL coach. Talking about Prescott, he's not my favorite player nor do I think he's the best QB in the league but I do think he's far better than those that hate him. There is one thing that the haters just love to overlook. Going into the off season Prescott was rated as the NUMBER ONE free agent in the entire league. The player rated #1 isn't just an average or below average player the haters try to paint him as. The ratings are done by people that aren't Cowboys fans and aren't out spoken against Prescott like haters are.
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And yet we sit HERE...and spew our opinions at each other. I mean it's what sites like this are designed to do. Why do SOME people think their opinion is so much more valid and valuable than others...I'll never know. Humans being human I guess.

But again...giving our OPINIONS on the matter is what we are HERE for. But even schlubs like me need the "eye test"...first off...it's how you watch and enjoy the game. If you just want stats to judge...then check the box scores. Secondly...it is my humble opinion stats don;t tell the whole story. There are lies, damn lies and then stats. to paraphrase.

And I do not believe there are as many "haters" as you and this board seem to indicate. We have a few very vocal and obscene ones sure...just like some Zeke haters. A GREAT majority of those LABELED "haters" would be okay with a more modest contract.

"Number 1 free agent"? ....well...I am sure there's a lot that goes into that. Meanwhile a LOT of free agents have already been signed by their own team and signed by OTHER teams.....while Dak sits. Not gonna pretend I understand why.

 

[cern]

I dont believe so. We've been hearing this for more than 18 months and nothing has happened. If you judge people by what the do, not what they say, everything points to no contract before the team sees how this season works out. As things stand, the only verified offer on the table is 1 year under the tag.

I just see negptiations as usual. The amount of money, the length of contract issue, and the guaranteed money all come into play. Nothing more, nothing less. Tagging him keeps him from going anywhere this year.

 

[cern]

Unless these fans that want to use "eye test" have any actual coaching experience in the NFL then their eye test isn't any better than yours, mine or any other novice fan who wants to play NFL coach, key words trying to play NFL coach. Talking about Prescott, he's not my favorite player nor do I think he's the best QB in the league but I do think he's far better than those that hate him. There is one thing that the haters just love to overlook. Going into the off season Prescott was rated as the NUMBER ONE free agent in the entire league. The player rated #1 isn't just an average or below average player the haters try to paint him as. The ratings are done by people that aren't Cowboys fans and aren't out spoken against Prescott like haters are.
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I don't agree with your "eye test" assessment. I have no nfl coaching experience but i can clearly see the greatness of patrick mahomes. I could see that emmitt was a great rb despite my lack of nfl coaching experience. I can see which runner crosses the finish line first without being a track coach. Same for race horses. Imo, the eye test trumps every other analyses because anyone can see who makes plays and who doesn't. ..............trust your eyes...the great bill parcells.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't agree with your "eye test" assessment. I have no nfl coaching experience but i can clearly see the greatness of patrick mahomes. I could see that emmitt was a great rb despite my lack of nfl coaching experience. I can see which runner crosses the finish line first without being a track coach. Same for race horses. Imo, the eye test trumps every other analyses because anyone can see who makes plays and who doesn't. ..............trust your eyes...the great bill parcells.

You don't have to be a NASA orbital mechanics engineer to tell they fqt up a few times. Your eyes can tell just fine.

 

[gjkoeppen]

And yet we sit HERE...and spew our opinions at each other. I mean it's what sites like this are designed to do. Why do SOME people think their opinion is so much more valid and valuable than others...I'll never know. Humans being human I guess.

But again...giving our OPINIONS on the matter is what we are HERE for. But even schlubs like me need the "eye test"...first off...it's how you watch and enjoy the game. If you just want stats to judge...then check the box scores. Secondly...it is my humble opinion stats don;t tell the whole story. There are lies, damn lies and then stats. to paraphrase.

And I do not believe there are as many "haters" as you and this board seem to indicate. We have a few very vocal and obscene ones sure...just like some Zeke haters. A GREAT majority of those LABELED "haters" would be okay with a more modest contract.

"Number 1 free agent"? ....well...I am sure there's a lot that goes into that. Meanwhile a LOT of free agents have already been signed by their own team and signed by OTHER teams.....while Dak sits. Not gonna pretend I understand why.

I would watch games every day if they were on like baseball during normal seasons, but they're not. I've watch football for a lot of years and played all the way from a little kid all the way into playing some college ball but I don't delude myself into thinking that I can watch whats shown on TV and play NFL coach and do a real eye test evaluation that is meaningful. The closest thing a fan can do as far as an eye test is if a QB throws a lot of picks they can say, hey that QB throws a lot of picks. When I hear a coach does his eye test it's he watching everything close up. His footwork, his throwing motion his fake hand offs and all the rest a QB does. Having that eye test by a qualified NFL coach. Yes this site is for us to discuss and argue our opinions but that doesn't mean that a person can't be called out for saying something like their eye test that has zero closeness to an actual eye test by NFL coaches.
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[SteveTheCowboy]

I would watch games every day if they were on like baseball during normal seasons, but they're not. I've watch football for a lot of years and played all the way from a little kid all the way into playing some college ball but I don't delude myself into thinking that I can watch whats shown on TV and play NFL coach and do a real eye test evaluation that is meaningful. The closest thing a fan can do as far as an eye test is if a QB throws a lot of picks they can say, hey that QB throws a lot of picks. When I hear a coach does his eye test it's he watching everything close up. His footwork, his throwing motion his fake hand offs and all the rest a QB does. Having that eye test by a qualified NFL coach. Yes this site is for us to discuss and argue our opinions but that doesn't mean that a person can't be called out for saying something like their eye test that has zero closeness to an actual eye test by NFL coaches.
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Okay cool...I guess a FEW people do that, lol!

 

[gjkoeppen]

I don't agree with your "eye test" assessment. I have no nfl coaching experience but i can clearly see the greatness of patrick mahomes. I could see that emmitt was a great rb despite my lack of nfl coaching experience. I can see which runner crosses the finish line first without being a track coach. Same for race horses. Imo, the eye test trumps every other analyses because anyone can see who makes plays and who doesn't. ..............trust your eyes...the great bill parcells.

Your explanation of eye test isn't what a lot of people that use the tern mean. There are people here who use the eye test and go on to breakdown specific aspects of Prescott's game, not generalized things like Prescott didn't throw any picks or threw a couple of nice deep balls, but saying he making mistakes in his footwork. When did they become NFL QB coaches and from the view from TV play QB coach. Yes we as fans can eye test like Emmitt getting hard yards or a run he broke some tackles on or a great catch by Irvin or Witten. And no we don't have be a track coach to see a clear cut winner in a track race. To me that's not an eye test it's just watching a sport that you understand. It's the actual specifics of players game that NFL coaches see up close that some fans think they can do to from what they see on TV. I played ball up into a little college ball but I don't pretend to be a coach. There have been times that I see how the offense and defense is lined up and said to myself they going to go here with the ball and I've been right enough times to even surprise myself.
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[cern]

Your explanation of eye test isn't what a lot of people that use the tern mean. There are people here who use the eye test and go on to breakdown specific aspects of Prescott's game, not generalized things like Prescott didn't throw any picks or threw a couple of nice deep balls, but saying he making mistakes in his footwork. When did they become NFL QB coaches and from the view from TV play QB coach. Yes we as fans can eye test like Emmitt getting hard yards or a run he broke some tackles on or a great catch by Irvin or Witten. And no we don't have be a track coach to see a clear cut winner in a track race. To me that's not an eye test it's just watching a sport that you understand. It's the actual specifics of players game that NFL coaches see up close that some fans think they can do to from what they see on TV. I played ball up into a little college ball but I don't pretend to be a coach. There have been times that I see how the offense and defense is lined up and said to myself they going to go here with the ball and I've been right enough times to even surprise myself.
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Imo, you're overthinking what is and what isn't an eye test. Football isn't really that complicated.

 

[Hadenough]

Here's why your analysis of Prescott is only a reflection of your dislike for him. Going into free agency Prescott was the NUMBER ONE ranked free agent in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. A QB that as you say isn't even top ranked on tier 2 are not ranked as the NUMBER ONE free agent in the ENTIRE league. Players in those rankings aren't based on a blinding hatred. They don't rank based on their hatred for players. Now I can't answer for anyone else, but which ranking will I believe, the one on NFL site or a fan who hates the player they are ranking, the list on NFL 1000 out of 1000 times.
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Dak didn't even make the top 100 NFL player list and that's voted on by the players themselves.

 

[Redball Express]

Ok, which poster in CZ is this moron who made and badly orated this video??? Clearly this fool doesn't know what he's talking about...or intentionally is spewing a bunch of bunk.

Hey..

Just an opinion..like yours and mine.

He actual presents both sides..a lot more than most do here.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Hey..

Just an opinion..like yours and mine.

He actual presents both sides..a lot more than most do here.

He's wrong in his interpretation.

 

[Redball Express]

Redball your dislike of Dak is insane and knows no bounds

Your agenda is relentless my friend.

What you can not handle is ANYBODY who believes something different from your views.

These are not my views. This is the speakers view.

But you just make no distinction.

That is the problem here.

It lies with you.

Most normal people understand in the US that we can disagree but we will defend to the death your right to say it.

Maybe we need to reconsider that, huh?

And this is what bothers you?

Football is a kids game. Things like life and death, earning a living, keeping businesses open, paying bills..

those things are important. You are wasting your breathe.

Your opinion has no weight here.