The No. 1 Jamal Adams Trade Blockade For Cowboys? Jets Anger

[darthseinfeld]

I think any potential trade for Adams would involve:

1st rounder

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Gallup (Jets signed Perriman whom flashed last season in limited starts for the Bucs. They also drafted Denzel Mims this year, but the rest of the depth are dubious as key contributors. Gallup would provide them a high upside guy to immediately start).

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Xavier Woods (Outside of Maye they have a bunch of JAGs; I’d imagine they’d want a guy with starting experience to step in and fill the void that trading Adams would create)

Id rather trade a 3rd or even a 2nd than Gallup. Keeping Gallup gives us an All In 2020, and we could possibly trade him in 2021 amd recoup the extra pick we gave up. Even in a walk year, I dont see Gallup getting less than a 2nd unless he takes a major step back. Im of the opinion that if they remain sold on Cooper long term after 2020, they should trade Gallup.

I think that gives us our best version of the 2020 Cowboys without really effecting future years as far as draft talent.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Very true.

I would imagine if the Jets do trade Adams to Dallas, Dallas would first have a long term deal worked out beforehand.

Chances have to be very slim for all this to actually happen.

Yeah what makes me nervous is what happens on these type of contracts. Jaylen Ramsey STILL hasn't been signed and we know they have to sign him because they gave up two 1st rounders for him.

Same thing happened with Tunsil and Amari Cooper. You know they have to get signed because teams traded compensation for them. So basically they can ask for whatever they want.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Id rather trade a 3rd or even a 2nd than Gallup. Keeping Gallup gives us an All In 2020, and we could possibly trade him in 2021 amd recoup the extra pick we gave up. Even in a walk year, I dont see Gallup getting less than a 2nd unless he takes a major step back. Im of the opinion that if they remain sold on Cooper long term after 2020, they should trade Gallup.

I think that gives us our best version of the 2020 Cowboys without really effecting future years as far as draft talent.

If I'm the Jets I'd rather have Gallup than a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Its not like they have a great history of drafting receivers.

 

[G2]

It was just reported that there are some trust issues, the Jets said they were extending him and they haven't. He also stated he was/is willing to bend on the money amount.

And that his hometown (Dallas) is a preferred place.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If I'm the Jets I'd rather have Gallup than a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Its not like they have a great history of drafting receivers.

I wouldnt put him on table. Trading him weakens our 2020 chances. After our top 3 WR's we are way too light at WR. Id be willing to give up a 1,3, and 4. Thats definitely in their favor. But Id be willing to do that to close the deal, and because we have 3rd and 4th round comp pics coming next year. You can make that trade and still enough draft picks to add talent to the roster

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Id rather trade a 3rd or even a 2nd than Gallup. Keeping Gallup gives us an All In 2020, and we could possibly trade him in 2021 amd recoup the extra pick we gave up. Even in a walk year, I dont see Gallup getting less than a 2nd unless he takes a major step back. Im of the opinion that if they remain sold on Cooper long term after 2020, they should trade Gallup.

I think that gives us our best version of the 2020 Cowboys without really effecting future years as far as draft talent.

Yeah, I think folks are having a hard time separating what I think the Jets would want with what I would do.

I don’t want to give up Gallup, but he would be the type of player I could see the Jets wanting in return.

I personally think adding Lamb allows the Cowboys an out of Cooper’s contract after the 2022 season. Gallup and Lamb would presumably be our receivers 1 and 2 moving forward.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If I'm the Jets I'd rather have Gallup than a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Its not like they have a great history of drafting receivers.

Generally this late in the offseason Im not a huge fan of including players in these types of trades. They are far more difficult to replace than if this trade was made in March. A guy like Gallup you wont be able to find a good replacement for in 2020. And some of the other names mentioned like Woods and Williams arent likely going to have enough trade value to be worth including.

I think Awuzie maybe the only player where we have a surplus of player that may have some value just because he has two years of being an adequate #2 CB. But even saying he has enough trade value to be an asset in an Adams trade is a stretch. He is probably a 4th round value

 

[gjkoeppen]

Those dominating Baltimore defenses of the 2000s wouldn't be near what they were without Ed Reed, and they probably don't win the SB with Dilfer as a QB without that dominating defense.

Yes the ravens had a dominating defense made up of 11 players not just 1. NOBODY will argue that their defense won them a Super Bowl but just those that want to either blame the QB for losses or just credit the QB for wins, it's a team game.
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[darthseinfeld]

Yeah, I think folks are having a hard time separating what I think the Jets would want with what I would do.

I don’t want to give up Gallup, but he would be the type of player I could see the Jets wanting in return.

I personally think adding Lamb allows the Cowboys an out of Cooper’s contract after the 2022 season. Gallup and Lamb would presumably be our receivers 1 and 2 moving forward.

Another thing to consider is Cooper may be willing to renegotiate his deal in 2022 to get more guarenteed money. It could come down to whats cheaper, a Cooper renegotiation or a Gallup extension.

 

[KingintheNorth]

John Owning wrote a quality (but lengthy) article this morning for the Dallas Morning News.

For those who doubt or are unsure about Adams' value, it might enlighten you some.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Generally this late in the offseason Im not a huge fan of including players in these types of trades. They are far more difficult to replace than if this trade was made in March. A guy like Gallup you wont be able to find a good replacement for in 2020. And some of the other names mentioned like Woods and Williams arent likely going to have enough trade value to be worth including.

I think Awuzie maybe the only player where we have a surplus of player that may have some value just because he has two years of being an adequate #2 CB. But even saying he has enough trade value to be an asset in an Adams trade is a stretch. He is probably a 4th round value

Let me say that I wouldn't event trade Gallup for Adams straight up. So I definitely wouldn't do a 1st and Gallup for Adams. But I'm speaking from the Jets perspective. Why would they want a late 2nd or a late 3rd round pick instead of Gallup?

 

[gjkoeppen]

1. Feel free to post a quote where Jerry supposedly said “we are no longer interested in trading for Adams”; and
2. You’re naive to think any comment coming from the Cowboys regarding a supposed lack of interest is gospel. Here’s what Jerry said in 2008 about trading for a wide receiver:

Jerry Jones on Sunday afternoon: “We have no plans to trade for a receiver before the trading deadline.” No plans? So it’s not going to happen? “No,” he said. “No trade for a receiver.” - Oct. 6, 2008

On Oct. 14, they traded with the Lions for Roy Williams.

Gird the lions of your mind tenderheart.

Here's what your quote about what Jones said about trading for a WR. that you didn't mention. The very same game that week both Austin and Herd came up gimpy were ineffectual with pulled leg muscles that the trainers said could take 1 to 3 weeks before they would be 100% again. So ya because of sudden injuries he had to rethink that.

Now for Jones, here's your link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/Sports/nf...trading-for-jamal-adams/ar-BB14zArr?ocid=a2hs

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[darthseinfeld]

Let me say that I wouldn't event trade Gallup for Adams straight up. So I definitely wouldn't do a 1st and Gallup for Adams. But I'm speaking from the Jets perspective. Why would they want a late 2nd or a late 3rd round pick instead of Gallup?

Oh Im sure they would. Id hang the phone up once they asked.

There is a reason why Adams would get 15 AAV and Gallup would likely get 17-18 AAV

 

[Future]

No one will send the Cowboys anything close to a 2nd round pick for Brown.

You're living in a fantasy world. Previous busts do not increase Brown's trade value.

I didn't say anybody would. But the point is that if you're going to draft a CB in the 2nd, you hope he becomes Brown.

That doesn't necessarily equate to trade value, but it's not like a 2nd round pick is that far off from Brown.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Here's what your quote about what Jones said about trading for a WR. that you didn't mention. The very same game that week both Austin and Herd came up gimpy were ineffectual with pulled leg muscles that the trainers said could take 1 to 3 weeks before they would be 100% again. So ya because of sudden injuries he had to rethink that.

Now for Jones, here's your link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/Sports/nf...trading-for-jamal-adams/ar-BB14zArr?ocid=a2hs
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Wait, wait, wait....

Are you trying to tell me Sam Hurd and Miles Austin were integral parts of the Cowboys passing game in 2008?

Yes or no?

 

[KingintheNorth]

But the point is that if you're going to draft a CB in the 2nd, you hope he becomes Brown.

Absolutely disagree.

If Diggs' ceiling is Anthony Brown then he was an awful pick.


Diggs is going to be so much better of a cornerback than Anthony Brown, and if you can't see that I'm not sure what you are watching.

 

[Future]

Absolutely disagree.

If Diggs' ceiling is Anthony Brown then he was an awful pick.


Diggs is going to be so much better of a cornerback than Anthony Brown, and if you can't see that I'm not sure what you are watching.

I didn't say that Brown is the ceiling of a 2nd round corner lol.

 

[EJK24]

I'm not advocating for spending 20m a year on Adam's or giving up a ton of valuable draft picks, but I do think he would make this defense considerably better.

I will also say this, every teams cap situation is different but if a team like the Eagles or Giants trades for him, I would not be happy to face him twice a year. Not saying that justifies overspending, just saying that as much as some devalue the safety position, hes not someone I want to have in the divison.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Wait, wait, wait....

Are you trying to tell me Sam Hurd and Miles Austin were integral parts of the Cowboys passing game in 2008?

Yes or no?

Since TWO receivers got injured in the same game and then the following week IF Clayton or Owens the starters got injured the next week, just who would then been the WR's. Jones had to look at the situation and after saying they wouldn't trade for a WR and just a couple days later had to look at how depleted the WR corp got in just one game and made the trade. So in and of Austin and Herd themselves they wern't and integral part of the offense but as the 1st go to guys if something happened to either of the starters, yes they were. Here's a thought that just might get you to see things as they are. Last season Bryant sat until week 10 with no team wanting him and then the saints lost both of their starting receivers in one game and all of a sudden Bryant became more important even though he tore up his knee in his very first practice as a saint so they had to find another receiver to sign.
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[CalPolyTechnique]

Since TWO receivers got injured in the same game and then the following week IF Clayton or Owens the starters got injured the next week, just who would then been the WR's. Jones had to look at the situation and after saying they wouldn't trade for a WR and just a couple days later had to look at how depleted the WR corp got in just one game and made the trade. So in and of Austin and Herd themselves they wern't and integral part of the offense but as the 1st go to guys if something happened to either of the starters, yes they were. Here's a thought that just might get you to see things as they are. Last season Bryant sat until week 10 with no team wanting him and then the saints lost both of their starting receivers in one game and all of a sudden Bryant became more important even though he tore up his knee in his very first practice as a saint so they had to find another receiver to sign.
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You’re making it up as you go.

The Cowboys had Terrell Owens, Jason Witten in his prime, and Patrick Crayton.

You’re trying to say the Cowboys panicked because their bottom roster receiving depth had minor soft tissue injuries, which is laughable.

What they needed was a reciever to play opposite of Owens. That’s what they thought they were getting in making the trade.

You should also review Jerry’s comments right before firing Wade Phillips.

The point being it’s completely naive and bunk to think any comments regarding a player under contract under on another team should be take as gospel.

What aren’t you comprehending?

Do you think Jerry is supposed to say “yeah, we’re hoping Jamal can raise enough of a fuss to where the Jets will trade him to us?”