Highest rushing grades in goal to go situations since 2015

[SteveTheCowboy]

I'm aware. Let me restate. His efficiency significantly declined from 2016 to 2017. It was apparent.

Yeah.....being unfairly targeted by GODell can have that effect. The team went flat, right? Or are we just gonna "stay focused" on Zeke issues ONLY?

GODell got what he wanted. 2016 was a re-emergence of the Dallas Cowboys...thanks...in part....to a couple special rookies. 2017? Welll let's suspend half of that engine...drag through the mud and occupy their resources.


It's amazing to me that "fans" spend SO much time, effort energy and....emotions....trying to convince other fans to HATE their own player as much as they do. Before the internet...when we watched teams together in living rooms and bars....I don;t remember anything like this. It was okay to cheer on a player rough around the edges...imperfect. Especially one that is easily top 4 at their positions. It's just odd...I'm sorry.

 

[Redball Express]

Why is it that the biggest supporters of Prescott are haters of Elliott?

Things that make you go, hmmm.

Makes no sense at all.

Both guys are brothers.

Just goes to show you.

As we are all learning these days..

Hate will find a way.

 

[Brax]

30 passing TDs in 2019.

Yeah, Dak can't pass for TDs.

I wish there was a Pinocchio emoji. I would give your post 4 Pinocchios.

read the OP it was about goal line not garbage time......

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Hell no he doesn't have any stats. They were average last year and bad in 2018.......but in 2016 and 2017 they were one of the best in the league. He's just doing what he usually does. You see he hasn't responded to me yet.

That's why I asked him. I knew the stats didnt back up what he said, per usual.

 

[Brax]

Why do y'all say stupid stuff like this? Is it to rile people up?

Sometimes it's plain fun, same I am sure as are some of your posts, but either extreme side of the Dak argument is pretty easy to have fun with. July 16th can't get here soon enough.

 

[khiladi]

Oh I know but I wanted to hear his stats because he told me Zeke faced a stacked box more than anyone in the league based on volume and the numbers I'm getting don't represent that at all. So maybe my math is off.

No, I said, referencing this year, based on what I recall:

Zeke was TOP 10 in stacked boxes, by volume. You think it wears on you less, via more volume?Q

 

[Aviano90]

Yeah.....being unfairly targeted by GODell can have that effect. The team went flat, right? Or are we just gonna "stay focused" on Zeke issues ONLY?

GODell got what he wanted. 2016 was a re-emergence of the Dallas Cowboys...thanks...in part....to a couple special rookies. 2017? Welll let's suspend half of that engine...drag through the mud and occupy their resources.


It's amazing to me that "fans" spend SO much time, effort energy and....emotions....trying to convince other fans to HATE their own player as much as they do. Before the internet...when we watched teams together in living rooms and bars....I don;t remember anything like this. It was okay to cheer on a player rough around the edges...imperfect. Especially one that is easily top 4 at their positions. It's just odd...I'm sorry.

Ok. If you want to say it was because of the legal issues in 2017, then I have no problem with that. I am sure that did have an impact on him. Can’t see how it couldn’t honestly.

But you at least admit it happened. It’s been 2+ years and the people I debate can’t even admit it’s occurred in the first place to even get into discussions for why it may have occurred.

I also am not trying to convince people to hate Zeke. The OP asked a question, I answered the question and then got into a conversation with someone who took issue with my opinion. Being critical of Zeke rubs some people the wrong way. It’s Ok. I am used to it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

read the OP it was about goal line not garbage time......

Does it matter? TDs are TDs. This OP is about rushing TDs which Dak is top 4 (higher than Zeke) in the league since 2015. That should tell you something. Actually, it should tell you several things. I'll let you try to figure them out.

 

[khiladi]

So using your mouth Peterson took more of a volume than Zeke then right?

You could have avoided this issue if you read correctly. I didn’t state Zeke was number 1 in volume this year. I said when looking at RBs that are even ‘close’ to Zeke in terms of volume, they face stacked boxes at less volume, even when they have higher percentages. And often times they have less percentages and I provided those examples.

AP rushed for less than 800 yards and Chris Thompson was targeted over 58 times while AP was targeted 23. As I said, it’s nothing surprising that AP would face more stacked boxes, because the Commanders weren’t using him as often on third down and passing. Zeke got targeted 71 times and Pollard 20.

So you're telling me when you watch the Cowboys play that there were stacked boxes on those passing plays lol?

Yeah, you know they could have been passed built off play-action. You know, what Dallas used often. In week 1 for example, Dak threw 14 of his 32 attempts on play-action and completed 13 of 14 of them against the mistake-ridden Giants secondary.

Dak faces cover 1 deep safety with man on outside plenty.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He’s also the only RB that has had a top 5 run blocking O line 3 out of 4 years. I’d like to see his stats behind the Giants O line and I might actually be sold on him.

Sorry buddy, you know I can’t bite my tongue but that is nothing I haven’t said over and over again so I won’t say anything more and get the thread further off rail.

I like the stat you posted to start it off and think there is a lot of validity to it.

Titans have had a great offensive line in that same span.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Okay...fine...but I am really asking you about this "Dak is better when Zeke is out" stat. It's my opinion a QB can get more stats for himself with his #1 RB on the bench. I am certain it means the QB is going to Pass more often then not, which means he'll have better stats. I was wondering if you could put some context or meaning behind the stat you cited.

It was actually posted on here let me see if I can find it.

 

[DandyDon52]

The dude was pretty amazing. He was efficient with his touches. He could out run defenders. He could hit the home run.

Do you think maybe 2016 was just an anomaly and Zeke over achieved his rookie year and 2017-2019 was the performance we should have expected all along?

he had good speed, and endurance , and power in 16, in 17 the speed was gone, 18 the endurance was gone, and some of the power.
Then 19, endurance was even worse, and his power is still there but limited to when he is going forward in a lean.

he shows up each year a little more out of shape, because he partys the whole off season lol.
The air thing , having to pull himself from games, could be due to his smoking weed,

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No, I said, referencing this year, based on what I recall:

You said this:

And again, if you look at VOLUME, the Cowboys and Dak face 8 or more stacked boxes than any other team, because of Zeke. Zeke critics try and obfuscate last year by looking at percentile. The problem is Zeke has been running into more stacked boxes than any other back in this league since he came here, meaning Dallas even rubs him predictably into them.

You can probably blame the QB for not checking out of plenty of them, while he does run the QB read option well and often keeps it and is built like a truck.

 

[khiladi]

As far as the Giants, I’ve pointed out over and over again, teams still defended them with deep cover 2.

Drafting Barkley with the No. 2 pick was supposed to force defenses to play more man-to-man coverage or tighten up the zone in order to defend the run. Barkley is ready to carry the load on his shoulders.

Asked for the best way for an offense to beat a soft zone, Barkley said, "Personally, run the ball. That's where I step in or the offensive line steps in.”

Barkley is more explosive then Zeke, but that in part is what he is seeing. The fact is Barkley doesn’t do what Zeke does, in forcing man coverage and tightened zones. And this was with a washed up and old Eli Manning.

So blaming his OL purely doesn’t cut it.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/10/saquon_barkley_giants_need_to_see_soft_zone_covera.html

 

[Aviano90]

he had good speed, and endurance , and power in 16, in 17 the speed was gone, 18 the endurance was gone, and some of the power.
Then 19, endurance was even worse, and his power is still there but limited to when he is going forward in a lean.

he shows up each year a little more out of shape, because he partys the whole off season lol.
The air thing , having to pull himself from games, could be due to his smoking weed,

Kobe Bryant said he wanted to be remembered as a talented overacheiver. He had talent but he worked as though he had none.

I can only imagine how good Zeke could have been if he had the same mindset.

As for coming into camp overweight, he showed up to camp overnight his rookie year. He was also complaining on Twitter about needing to wake up on the 2nd day of camp. His mom called him out about it.

Man, if this dude had a great work ethic he could have been legendary.

 

[khiladi]

You said this:

I said that his critics try and obfuscate last year, because of percentile, but you have to look at volume. Notice the phrase “SINCE HE CAME HERE”.

and then you asked for an explanation with 2019 and I explained myself clearly about that year.

 

[gimmesix]

Well, what did you expect from Dak when he was drafted? I was just hoping for a back up QB to prevent spending millions on a proven veteran loser. He's far exceeded my expectations.

Zeke met my expectations in 2016. He hasn't since.

But we shouldn't be holding Dak to our expectations when he was drafted. He's now the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, is getting paid franchise tag money and set to get a big deal.

I don't care where a player started. Romo was a UDFA, but he became the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys and once he did that, he was held to starting QB standards.

Elliott's numbers have gone down rom the bar he set in 2016, but so have Prescott's. I can't see how if you are disappointed in one because of that that you wouldn't also be disappointed with the other. (BTW, again, I'm disappointed with neither; I just don't understand why the same standard isn't applied.)

 

[DandyDon52]

Does it matter? TDs are TDs. This OP is about rushing TDs which Dak is top 4 (higher than Zeke) in the league since 2015. That should tell you something. Actually, it should tell you several things. I'll let you try to figure them out.

well that tells me the cowboys cant depend on zeke to run it in around the goal, if dak has more td's
I dont remember dak running many in last season, so was this stat a career stat since 2016?
I dont like career stats, better to look at each year and avg per year.

 

[DandyDon52]

Kobe Bryant said he wanted to be remembered as a talented overacheiver. He had talent but he worked as though he had none.

I can only imagine how good Zeke could have been if he had the same mindset.

As for coming into camp overweight, he showed up to camp overnight his rookie year. He was also complaining on Twitter about needing to wake up on the 2nd day of camp. His mom called him out about it.

Man, if this dude had a great work ethic he could have been legendary.

that is true, give other hard working players his body, and they would have been awesome.
Elliott is not a very good person, he is all about himself and having fun.
Dak hangs out a lot with elliot, and I think he is also not a good person, not as bad as elliott, but he isnt the image he projects to
the media and public.

 

[khiladi]

well that tells me the cowboys cant depend on zeke to run it in around the goal, if dak has more td's
I dont remember dak running many in last season, so was this stat a career stat since 2016?
I dont like career stats, better to look at each year and avg per year.

Dak had three last year and one of them was a 42 yarder, which was the longest of his career. He’s had 6 every other year. He rushed 52 times, while years 1 and 2, he ran it 57 times. Last year, he ran it 75 times.