Highest rushing grades in goal to go situations since 2015

[Whirlwin]

Dak is a beast, that's what you should take from this. Even the horrid Garrett was smart enough last year to realize he needed to go away from Zeke and go with Dak in critical short yardage situations.

Even if Elliot trips over his own ego now and then on the goal line . See Rams playoff game

 

[Aviano90]

Alright. I'll bite.....what are the adjusted stats you were referring to? The "volume" you keep referencing? What are the actual numbers?

I think you have to do the math and take it from Next Gen Stats. Here is an example of volume using Zeke and Henry.

Henry had 303 rushing attempts and faced stacked boxes 35.31%. Means he carried against a stacked box 107 times.
Zeke had 301 rushing attempts and faced stacked boxes 19.27%. He carried against a stacked box 58 times.

 

[aikemirv]

What? When he says take Zeke out I assumed he was saying put Pollard in. Not put Dak at running back. What did you take from that post?

"let Prescott line up at RB"

 

[buybuydandavis]

And it ain't Zeke...........


Impressive.

Such a no brainer to run Dak more, particularly near the goal line. Dak can run and throw on the move. Huge advantage at the goal line.

But we've got no brains.

 

[cern]

Useless stat imo. Perhaps Zeke was a decoy on many of those plays.

 

[khiladi]

Alright. I'll bite.....what are the adjusted stats you were referring to? The "volume" you keep referencing? What are the actual numbers?

301 * .1927 = 56 rushing attempts

Joe Mixon rushed for 1137 yards and 8th in yards and attempts and ran against them at 7.91%.

Josh Jacobs ran into them at a 20.25 clip at 242 rushes. He was 8th total in yards. He faces stacked boxes of 8 or more 49 times. Despite the higher percentage, that’s six more times Zeke has ran into a stacked box.

If you are looking at the majority of high volume runners, like Carlos Hyde, it’s the same trend. They run a high volumes among the backs, it they don’t even reach the percentage of Zeke as far as stacked boxes go.

Peterson rushes for 211 times at a 29.38% rate, meaning 10% difference. That’s 61 stacked boxes.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Zeke has been taking a lot of plays inside when a guy who trusted his speed would take the edge.

 

[khiladi]

Plus, if you compare the receptions it’s not even close. Zeke caught 54 passes and Henry 18. There could have been stacked boxes not accounted for in that 54. And his reception numbers are much higher the last two years when he ran against stacked boxes ‘less’.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Useless stat imo. Perhaps Zeke was a decoy on many of those plays.

Zeke *should be* a decoy near the goal line. We should be threatening defenses with multiple threats near the goal line.

The point isn't that Dak is Walter Payton. The point is that running Dak is one of those threats that we have success with at the goal line.

 

[Williamsboys]

The next touchdown Elliot gets should be celebrated with a Belly Dance.

 

[Brax]

And it ain't Zeke...........


Impressive.

He's just like Tebow, can't pass for it so he needs to run for it that why they kick (or try) so many FG's.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The next touchdown Elliot gets should be celebrated with a Belly Dance.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He's just like Tebow, can't pass for it so he needs to run for it that why they kick (or try) so many FG's.

30 passing TDs in 2019.

Yeah, Dak can't pass for TDs.

I wish there was a Pinocchio emoji. I would give your post 4 Pinocchios.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Such a no brainer to run Dak more, particularly near the goal line. Dak can run and throw on the move. Huge advantage at the goal line.

But we've got no brains.

Hopefully they've smartened up since we got a lot fo them out of here.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He's just like Tebow, can't pass for it so he needs to run for it that why they kick (or try) so many FG's.

Why do y'all say stupid stuff like this? Is it to rile people up?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

301 * .1927 = 56 rushing attempts

Joe Mixon rushed for 1137 yards and 8th in yards and attempts and ran against them at 7.91%.

Josh Jacobs ran into them at a 20.25 clip at 242 rushes. He was 8th total in yards. He faces stacked boxes of 8 or more 49 times. Despite the higher percentage, that’s six more times Zeke has ran into a stacked box.

If you are looking at the majority of high volume runners, like Carlos Hyde, it’s the same trend. They run a high volumes among the backs, it they don’t even reach the percentage of Zeke as far as stacked boxes go.

Peterson rushes for 211 times at a 29.38% rate, meaning 10% difference. That’s 61 stacked boxes.

So using your mouth Peterson took more of a volume than Zeke then right?

Plus, if you compare the receptions it’s not even close. Zeke caught 54 passes and Henry 18. There could have been stacked boxes not accounted for in that 54. And his reception numbers are much higher the last two years when he ran against stacked boxes ‘less’.

So you're telling me when you watch the Cowboys play that there were stacked boxes on those passing plays lol?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think you have to do the math and take it from Next Gen Stats. Here is an example of volume using Zeke and Henry.

Henry had 303 rushing attempts and faced stacked boxes 35.31%. Means he carried against a stacked box 107 times.
Zeke had 301 rushing attempts and faced stacked boxes 19.27%. He carried against a stacked box 58 times.

Oh I know but I wanted to hear his stats because he told me Zeke faced a stacked box more than anyone in the league based on volume and the numbers I'm getting don't represent that at all. So maybe my math is off.

 

[aria]

I said SINCE 2016. There's no running back that can say they're the best in all 4 of those years. Each one of those years there's a new guy. But Zeke has always been top 3-5 in the league. He's the only back that can say that in that same span.

He’s also the only RB that has had a top 5 run blocking O line 3 out of 4 years. I’d like to see his stats behind the Giants O line and I might actually be sold on him.

Sorry buddy, you know I can’t bite my tongue but that is nothing I haven’t said over and over again so I won’t say anything more and get the thread further off rail.

I like the stat you posted to start it off and think there is a lot of validity to it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nothing to straighten you out about. Do I think Dak is better with Zeke than without? Of course. Do I think Dak would flounder if Zeke was on the bench and Pollard was in? No. I doubt. There's no really true conclusive evidence to prove either point. The only time we've seen games where Zeke didn't play was either in 2017 or against lowly competition like the Giants two years go. We just haven't seen it. I don't think Dak is as reliant on Zeke playing well like he was in 2017.

Okay...fine...but I am really asking you about this "Dak is better when Zeke is out" stat. It's my opinion a QB can get more stats for himself with his #1 RB on the bench. I am certain it means the QB is going to Pass more often then not, which means he'll have better stats. I was wondering if you could put some context or meaning behind the stat you cited.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

He’s also the only RB that has had a top 5 run blocking O line 3 out of 4 years. I’d like to see his stats behind the Giants O line and I might actually be sold on him.

Sorry buddy, you know I can’t bite my tongue but that is nothing I haven’t said over and over again so I won’t say anything more and get the thread further off rail.

I like the stat you posted to start it off and think there is a lot of validity to it.

What makes them a "top 5 run blocking O line"?

The RB being good? Hits the hole and creates "good run stats"?

This is what I mean when people just throw out stats they THINK proves their point. I admit...I don;t know enough about these stats but then I'm not USING them to prove any point either. Since you ARE.....you surely know what goes into making a "top 5 run blocking O line".

Do they count giant holes the RB misses? Do they subtract for missed blocking? What?