Recap: Anyone still think Dak was wrong to turning down Cowboys Deal

[WillieBeamen]

Go follow another team.

Grow up

 

[America's Cowboy]

Grow up

Get lost.

 

[12+88=7]

Nope!

Look at these numbers that better tell how good a QB performed compared to his contemporaries.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019

Dak beat Wilson on every statistical number...and most against Mahomes.

Straight up TDs, INTs, and QB ratings are not the numbers we should be looking at. But the REAL numbers are statistical analytics. Got it.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Y'all don't understand basic economics....THE MARKET justifies Prescott being paid like a top QB. It's just how it is, none of us have to like it but its honestly got nothing to do with us except we care about this football club. All the bickering and back n forth on this forums hasn't and won't change a single thing about what happens to Dak.

Here's the huge hole in the argument for market value. There is no one size fits all market value for each position. If there was all QB's that sign new contracts each year would all be paid same exact amount. The better the QB the higher the new market value is. For Prescott to get the ridiculously high salary per year that some say he should get he would need to be the 2nd best QB in the league and not a single site that ranks QB's have Prescott rank at #2. Just about every player who is negotiating a new contract get more due to a new market value but that doesn't mean that those players who aren't at the very top for their position are going to get the biggest boost in market value for that position.
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[America's Cowboy]

Straight up TDs, INTs, and QB ratings are not the numbers we should be looking at. But the REAL numbers are statistical analytics. Got it.

Passer rating is not as telling as QBR. That in itself tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Add in the other statistical analytics, that makes your argument even weaker, especially considering Dak threw more TDs than Wilson and just 1 less than Mahomes, plus for way more yards than both.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Who else here is happy that a scrub like Dak friggin Prescott wont be the highest paid player in the league?

I don't think Prescott should be paid as one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league, but I also think he is way better than a scrub.
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[gjkoeppen]

Passer rating is not as telling as QBR. That in itself tells me you don't know what you are talking about. Add in the other statistical analytics, that makes your argument even weaker, especially considering Dak threw more TDs than Wilson and just 1 less than Mahomes, plus for way more yards than both.

So I get this straight, the NFL who started compiling stats isn't as good as the stat ESPN made up 9 years ago. Oh on using ESPN's made up stat Prescott last season was 11th and based on that you want Prescott to be the 2nd highest paid player inn the NFL. And you insinuate that you know more. With logic like that you could lose your wannabe GM title.
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[Northern_Cowboy]

You should read it again. At no point can they get out of his contract anywhere near cheap. It's a ridiculous dead cap at almost any time.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/06/the-preliminary-patrick-mahomes-contract-details/

read about halfway down where they talk about the guarantees here's the quote "With, per multiple reports, only $63 million fully guaranteed at signing, it’s a pay-as-you-go deal for the Chiefs, who surely will want to keep Mahomes for the next 12 years, especially as the market and salary cap grow and the deal looks more and more like a steal for the Chiefs, if Mahomes keeps playing like he has for his first two years as a starter. It’s a no-lose proposition for the Chiefs, tying Mahomes to the team for a dozen seasons but giving the team flexibility to move on, if for whatever reason Mahomes at some point isn’t the guy he currently is."

another quote a little farther down"
As one league source observed, “It’s like he had no leverage.”

Again, the deal definitely sets the bar to a level higher than it’s ever been. But the truth is that, if Mahomes keeps playing like he has so far, he’ll be underpaid sooner than later. And if for some reason he slips over the next few years, he’ll be out on his ear without nearly the kind of protection that he should have gotten in returning for committing to the team for a dozen years.

 

[Kwyn]

Do you ever see the other side.

Dallas is in the driver's seat. They have Prescott for 31 million this year and 37 million in 2021 with no contract binding them. Why should Dallas pay 80 million in the next two years and more in guarantees when they can pay 68 million with no binding contract locking them in and still have the player. The tag is Dallas's friend in these escalating QB market.

Under this scenario Dallas actually has 2 years to find another solution if they choose to move on from Prescott.

If Dallas doesn't win in the next two years, Prescott will be gone ala Cousins. Book it.

This is how the team should play it.

ask the Commanders how that worked out

if you want D Haskins as our next QB, keep on hoping for Dak to do back to back tags.

That’s when you are likely to see what most of us here remember happened after Troy retired. Years of incompetency and floundering around at QB. This time, it’s not likely we get lucky with the next Romo to bail us out

 

[America's Cowboy]

So I get this straight, the NFL who started compiling stats isn't as good as the stat ESPN made up 9 years ago. Oh on using ESPN's made up stat Prescott last season was 11th and based on that you want Prescott to be the 2nd highest paid player inn the NFL. And you insinuate that you know more. With logic like that you could lose your wannabe GM title.
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Recheck the facts. Dak accumulated the 4th highest QBR last year, not 11th as you state.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019

 

[America's Cowboy]

ask the Commanders how that worked out

if you want D Haskins as our next QB, keep on hoping for Dak to do back to back tags.

That’s when you are likely to see what most of us here remember happened after Troy retired. Years of incompetency and floundering around at QB. This time, it’s not likely we get lucky with the next Romo to bail us out

He doesn't get it.

 

[Bigdog]

I have said this before and I say it again. It can work both ways though. Dak bet on himself which I applaud him for doing and takes some courage if the reports of him getting around Goff money are true. There is no guarantee he is going to get that long term contract. If he gets a career ending injury than he screwed himself. Or if he just absolutely gets the Steve Sax/ Chuck Knoblach syndrome (highly doubt it) than he screwed himself. I hope he does lead the Cowboys to many SB but no one can predict the future. Sometimes one can be too greedy.

 

[DandyDon52]

Recheck the facts. Dak accumulated the 4th highest QBR last year, not 11th as you state.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019

you guys need to forget the stats lol.
do you want a qb with great stats, or a qb that gets u to a SB??
They dont necessarily go together.

dak had better stats than probably all the nfc playoff qb's, yet they were in the playoffs, and he was watching on tv!
Garapolo made it to SB, and Dak probably out statted him ! and yeah I just made a new word, "statted" lol

 

[gjkoeppen]

Recheck the facts. Dak accumulated the 4th highest QBR last year, not 11th as you state.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019

Gee I have a link that shows Prescott at 11th for 2019.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats...PASSING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0
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[Runwildboys]

Dak will easily get $38 - $40 per year now at a minimum thanks to Mahomes' new 10 year/$503 million with $477 million in guarantees/$45 mil/year average new contract extension.

You "don't pay Dak" Daktractors are foolish for having pushed the tag and much lesser pay which Jerry obviously listened to. Who is laughing now? Not you. It's Dak because he now knows he is worth at a minimum around $40 mil/season which Jerry will have no choice but to pay Dak since the alternative will lead to years of average play + rebuilding for years to come + playing musical chairs at the QB position.

You think Jerry listened to the fans? When did that start happening?

 

[America's Cowboy]

you guys need to forget the stats lol.
do you want a qb with great stats, or a qb that gets u to a SB??
They dont necessarily go together.

dak had better stats than probably all the nfc playoff qb's, yet they were in the playoffs, and he was watching on tv!
Garapolo made it to SB, and Dak probably out statted him ! and yeah I just made a new word, "statted" lol

It takes a team to reach the playoffs. Dak did more than enough. Others did not. Dak has proven he keeps getting better every year. Easily a Top 5 QB. Would you rather have an average or below average QB?

 

[Flamma]

ead about halfway down where they talk about the guarantees here's the quote "With, per multiple reports, only $63 million fully guaranteed at signing, it’s a pay-as-you-go deal for the Chiefs, who surely will want to keep Mahomes for the next 12 years, especially as the market and salary cap grow and the deal looks more and more like a steal for the Chiefs, if Mahomes keeps playing like he has for his first two years as a starter. It’s a no-lose proposition for the Chiefs, tying Mahomes to the team for a dozen seasons but giving the team flexibility to move on, if for whatever reason Mahomes at some point isn’t the guy he currently is."

It's not a pay as you go contract. Don't look at sites and other people's opinions, read the actual contract. The only thing that is pay as you go is the dead cap if you cut him. For every year he plays for the Chiefs his next year's salary and roster bonus, among other things is guaranteed. You can cut him, but the dead cap is anywhere between 50-120 million in dead cap. Just look at the contract.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You think Jerry listened to the fans? When did that start happening?

Many years ago.

October 7, 2007...

Jerry gives Romo first of two franchise record contract ($67 million) not even a full year (October 28, 2006) after starting for the first time. The fans definitely had a lot to do with it.

 

[Runwildboys]

Many years ago.

October 7, 2007...

Jerry gives Romo first of two franchise record contract ($67 million) not even a full year (October 28, 2006) after starting for the first time. The fans definitely had a lot to do with it.

I doubt the fans had anything to do with it. Did he say they did?

 

[Swagger]

Dak will easily get $38 - $40 per year now at a minimum thanks to Mahomes' new 10 year/$503 million with $477 million in guarantees/$45 mil/year average new contract extension.

You "don't pay Dak" Daktractors are foolish for having pushed the tag and much lesser pay which Jerry obviously listened to. Who is laughing now? Not you. It's Dak because he now knows he is worth at a minimum around $40 mil/season which Jerry will have no choice but to pay Dak since the alternative will lead to years of average play + rebuilding for years to come + playing musical chairs at the QB position.

No the alternative is effectively the same QB for $3 guaranteed this coming season.

A first round drafted QB thereafter.