50 Execs, Coaches, Players rank the best RB's

[aria]

Find me the quote where I said you said any of the above? You are trying to get off track. What I said was have you ever seen a bum lead the league in rushing? You're getting stuck up on winning a debate as opposed to reading what I'm saying. My point was you don't just luck up and lead the league in rushing. Rushing yards is a much better gauge of how good someone is then YPC is my point.

1) apologies of I confused “I’ve never seen a bum lead the league in rushing“ with directing it at me but aren’t you implying that someone is calling him a bum, why else would you say that?

2) you said “you assume zeke and henry would suck if they didn’t have a great o line”; how do you know I assume they would suck? You’re claiming I think something that I don’t.

3) you do luck up and lead the league in rushing for the most part. If that wasn’t the case than why has the league leading rusher for each year had the most carries 9 out of the past 10 years? Play calling, offensive scheme. Zeke could have very well ended up somewhere with a different coaching philosophy where he didn’t get the most yards because he didn’t get the most carries.

 

[aria]

That's my point though. You can say that about everyone. Henry can say he should've had more yards if they had benched Mariotta sooner. You can do hypotheticals with all these guys including Zeke.

But the facts and stats back it up. Most carries almost always equals most yards.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Is leading the league in passing yardage but having a TD percentage of less, than Daniel Jones, who was number 11, good?

You can't answer the question..? Sad.

Wait touchdown %... you know that percentages take into account volume so leading the league in passing(he was 2nd not leading lol another thing you're wrong about) has no advantage over the passer with the 32nd most passing yards.... you know this right? Plesse say you arent so stupid you don't know that %'s take volume into account!?!?! Please!

And this was your comeback to broken tackles!?

PAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

 

[khiladi]

You can't answer the question..? Sad.

Wait touchdown %... you know that percentages take into account volume so leading the league in passing(he was 2nd not leading lol another thing you're wrong about) has no advantage over the passer with the 32nd most passing yards.... you know this right? Plesse say you arent so stupid you don't know that %'s take volume into account!?!?! Please!

And this was your comeback to broken tackles!?

PAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

So now you are taking into account volume? Ironic.. Explain was Dak was 12th and Winston was 9, when Winston threw for more yards.

So explain why Zeke’s percentage of yards after contact is greater than Barkley’s in his best season, with the league leading volume he ran.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

So now you are taking into account volume? Ironic.. Explain was Dak was 12th and Winston was 9.

So explain why Zeke’s percentage of yards per rush is greater than Barkley’s in his best season?

Dude shut up and take your L little buddy

There's no coming back from that



I've been taking volume into account, lmao that was I brought up touches. Lol lame attempt.

Theres no such thing as "% of yards per rush" YOU JUST KEEP DIGGING YOURSELF DEEPER

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

1) apologies of I confused “I’ve never seen a bum lead the league in rushing“ with directing it at me but aren’t you implying that someone is calling him a bum, why else would you say that?

2) you said “you assume zeke and henry would suck if they didn’t have a great o line”; how do you know I assume they would suck? You’re claiming I think something that I don’t.

3) you do luck up and lead the league in rushing for the most part. If that wasn’t the case than why has the league leading rusher for each year had the most carries 9 out of the past 10 years? Play calling, offensive scheme. Zeke could have very well ended up somewhere with a different coaching philosophy where he didn’t get the most yards because he didn’t get the most carries.

2. I said if you are a guy who brings up offensive line in a argument about running back then your argument is flawed because Henry and Zeke can't help that they have good offensive lines. And its hard to assume from your posts you don't think Zeke sucks. You haven't said a favorable thing about him in the two days you've been discussing him. Even in his thread about charity you found a way to make that about how bad he was somehow.

3. Zeke was good enough to be a top 5 pick in the draft. He was always going to get carries just like Barkley.

Which btw, just because you have a good offensive line doesn't mean you are guaranteed to have success. Colts, Ravens and Eagles are all considered to have some of the best offensive lines in football......I don't see Marlon Mack, Mark Ingram or Miles Sanders up there in rushing...........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dude shut up and take your L little buddy

There's no coming back from that



Theres no such thing as "% of yards per rush" YOU JUST KEEP DIGGING YOURSELF DEEPER

I'm torn between if he's trolling or stubborn or if he really thinks this stuff or simply all of the above......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But the facts and stats back it up. Most carries almost always equals most yards.

That's because they go hand in hand. If you suck why would you get more carries? If you are productive you get more carries.....

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I'm torn between if he's trolling or stubborn or if he really thinks this stuff or simply all of the above......

He said "now you take into account volume" when this conversation started because I asked if 11th in broken tackles is good when Zeke had the 2nd most touches(volume).

This one is getting bad.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If 49ers had Zeke they might've actually won the Super Bowl last year.

Do you think the Niners win the SB last year if they had Dak?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nonsense buddy. I don't think you recall what Mostert did last year at the end of the season and in the playoffs. He actually blew away Zeke's production. And this was at the end of the year and in the playoffs when it mattered most.

Take a look at these numbers:

In three playoff games, he rushed for 336 yards with five touchdowns. He set a 49ers franchise record with 220 rushing yards and 4 TD's in his team's 37-20 NFC championship game victory over the Green Bay Packers.

He led the NFL with 12 rushing touchdowns from Week 12 through the end of the 2019 postseason. His 760 rushing yards over that span were the second most in the league, trailing only the Tennessee Titans' Derrick Henry, who had 1,154.

Mostert was actually the 3rd RB on the depth chart and didn't get a lot of carries in the first half of the season. This is the advantage that a RB by committee presents. Fresh guys for the 2nd half of the season and playoffs.

What did Mostert do in the Super Bowl?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Do you think the Niners win the SB last year if they had Dak?

I honestly don't know. Jimmy G is a good quarterback and they didn't win it with him. It depends on the Dak they got.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He said "now you take into account volume" when this conversation started because I asked if 11th in broken tackles is good when Zeke had the 2nd most touches(volume).

This one is getting bad.

He argued me down about how Dak is bad in the redzone. I was going to take his word for it to until he said he's as good as Fitzpatrick. I knew then there was a angle there and when I digged into it....Dak actually is better in the redzone than Mahomes and Russ but of course he didn't mention that lol. Then he did this same charade he's doing with you talking about "volume" lol.

 

[aria]

2. I said if you are a guy who brings up offensive line in a argument about running back then your argument is flawed because Henry and Zeke can't help that they have good offensive lines. And its hard to assume from your posts you don't think Zeke sucks. You haven't said a favorable thing about him in the two days you've been discussing him. Even in his thread about charity you found a way to make that about how bad he was somehow.

3. Zeke was good enough to be a top 5 pick in the draft. He was always going to get carries just like Barkley.

Which btw, just because you have a good offensive line doesn't mean you are guaranteed to have success. Colts, Ravens and Eagles are all considered to have some of the best offensive lines in football......I don't see Marlon Mack, Mark Ingram or Miles Sanders up there in rushing...........

I’ve actually said zeke was probably the best back in 2016, top 3 in 2017, top 5 in 2018 and is now somewhere between 5-10. Just like the stats I post perhaps you ignore them.

Speaking of which, you asked for the stats, I posted them. Did you read them, what did you think? Zeke isn’t even top 10 in most of the categories I’ve mentioned. I just want to make sure you saw them this time.

You’re right, having a top O line doesn’t guarantee success but it certainly helps a lot. That would be like saying a bad O line doesn’t guarantee a RB will be bad, it doesn’t, but it certainly doesn’t make him better.

Personally, I don’t think any RB is good enough to be taken top 5, not even top 10. Again, history shows teams winning championships don’t use high picks on RB’s and many win with 2nd rounders, or later, and “washed up” veterans.

 

[aria]

That's because they go hand in hand. If you suck why would you get more carries? If you are productive you get more carries.....

Which is why I said if you take the top 15-20 backs in the league.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I wonder which Cowboy hater had Zeke at 11?

Zeke stinks!!!

 

[aria]

Zeke stinks!!!

You’re finally seeing the light, good to know.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Which is why I said if you take the top 15-20 backs in the league.

When did you say that?

I’ve actually said zeke was probably the best back in 2016, top 3 in 2017, top 5 in 2018 and is now somewhere between 5-10. Just like the stats I post perhaps you ignore them.

Speaking of which, you asked for the stats, I posted them. Did you read them, what did you think? Zeke isn’t even top 10 in most of the categories I’ve mentioned. I just want to make sure you saw them this time.

You’re right, having a top O line doesn’t guarantee success but it certainly helps a lot. That would be like saying a bad O line doesn’t guarantee a RB will be bad, it doesn’t, but it certainly doesn’t make him better.

Personally, I don’t think any RB is good enough to be taken top 5, not even top 10. Again, history shows teams winning championships don’t use high picks on RB’s and many win with 2nd rounders, or later, and “washed up” veterans.

The stats you picked to gauge him on does not say he's top 5 or 10 for that matter. Those stats you picked say he's 28th in some of them lol. So what do you mean "just like the stats I post"? You posted nothing top 10.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What did Mostert do in the Super Bowl?

All 3 RB by committee guys rushed for 130 yards combined. Rushing wasn't the issue.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

All 3 RB by committee guys rushed for 130 yards combined. Rushing wasn't the issue.

Zeke wouldn't need 2 other RB's to combine for 130 yards...Its a reason why it was a committee...not because it works for them but because they aren't good as Zeke to do it lol.