Be glad that Dak has to stay on edge

leeblair

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Lee, i'm going to let you down easy here, Kellen Moore wasn't going to start in the NFL, one hell ov a college QB who helped form a great at large team. I get it man you love Boise and nothing wrong with that, but you have to let that ship sail or people are not going to take you seriously. Serious question where you a Cowboys fan before some Bosie boys came here?...really just asking not accusing.
Wrong. I had never heard of Kellen Moore until I saw him play for the Cowboys.
I think college football is corrupt..
But I knew right away he was the real deal. I didn't know his history. I watched his film afterwards from college.
 

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dak got what he rightfully earned. moore got what he rightfully earned which was a promotion to oc and running the leagues top offense last year.

Correct Moore was always a coach on the field smart football guy and that showed once he was allowed to call plays...problem is he made Garrett look bad and ole red couldn't have that.
 

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Dak was not "the problem", but he was "a problem".
And part of that was the way Garrett had coddled him and annointed him as the next great quarterback without making him earn it.
Kellen Moore should have been the starter in 2017, but Dak was given the position.
Because of this, Dak never seemed to be able to handle pressure situations. It always seemed as if he never felt responsible for the Cowboys struggles.
Garrett made him feel entitled- but ignored his weaknesses.
As of right now, Kellen Moore is still the best quarterback on the Dallas Cowboys.
Kind of silly to suggest he didn’t earn anything at alll from being under center while the team had a 13-3 record, and while setting rookie QB records, especially when thrust into the role unexpectedly in mid training camp.
 

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Wrong. I had never heard of Kellen Moore until I saw him play for the Cowboys.
I think college football is corrupt..
But I knew right away he was the real deal. I didn't know his history. I watched his film afterwards from college.

Man i'm not trying to be an asss but, what game out of the ones he started for Dallas had you thinking that?
 

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Man i'm not trying to be an asss but, what game out of the ones he started for Dallas had you thinking that?
The very first game he played in, on the second pass he threw. It was intercepted, oddly enough, but it was the way he let it RIP without hesitation that impressed me.
It was his first appearance. Most backups don't have that presence. He never looked lost on the field at all, but as if he was in complete control.
Dak doesn't have that.
 

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Correct Moore was always a coach on the field smart football guy and that showed once he was allowed to call plays...problem is he made Garrett look bad and ole red couldn't have that.
he learned well the lessons of his dad. the kid just has a head for football. making him oc was one of the best coaching moves made by the cowboys in years. keeping him on the staff was another. i'm guessing stephen had a lot to do with those moves. clearly it wasn't garrett.
 

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Huh? McCarthy wasn't saddled on Dak. Why do you think he came to Dallas to begin with lol? He could've to Cleveland....what's so special about Dallas? He just can't wait to coach for Jerry? Dak was one of the perks of coming here.

LOL......Dak a "perk". Look I like Dak...I am not a hater. But you actually think Dak was a crucial selling point? To Steal MM away from whatever he was up to before?

Good grief!
 

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With a one year deal, Dak cannot become set in his ways. He will be more receptive to Mike McCarthy's instructions, and will once again be in training- albeit, being paid very well to do so, under the tag.
His contract demands showed he believed that he had reached a pinnacle, and was at the top of the league as far as talent. But he wasn't.
Though he racked up huge numbers in the passing game, he was not able to give the Cowboys a boost against teams that they needed to beat to transcend to the next level.
Under Garrett, Dak was in danger of believing that what he had done was enough; he was coddled and never made to improve. His demands for a new contract show this clearly.
Now we actually have a new team. McCarthy isn't saddled with a guy he's never worked with that will eat up a huge chunk of the salary cap, and can run the team as he sees fit.
If Dak is the man, this year will bear that out. If not, we'll see what's next.
Im not sure McCarthy can do anything with Dak missing wide open guys and throwing over and behind them. If this team is able to improve it will be from game planning and preparation but it all comes down to consistently executing the play. Dak has all the pieces and now its time for him to step up and get better.
 

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there are only 32 head coaching jobs in the world. anyone wanting to pursue one will say whatever is needed to try and get the job. and most, after they've failed and get fired, continue coaching as coordinators or position coaches. it's in their blood.
 

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With a one year deal, Dak cannot become set in his ways. He will be more receptive to Mike McCarthy's instructions, and will once again be in training- albeit, being paid very well to do so, under the tag.
His contract demands showed he believed that he had reached a pinnacle, and was at the top of the league as far as talent. But he wasn't.
Though he racked up huge numbers in the passing game, he was not able to give the Cowboys a boost against teams that they needed to beat to transcend to the next level.
Under Garrett, Dak was in danger of believing that what he had done was enough; he was coddled and never made to improve. His demands for a new contract show this clearly.
Now we actually have a new team. McCarthy isn't saddled with a guy he's never worked with that will eat up a huge chunk of the salary cap, and can run the team as he sees fit.
If Dak is the man, this year will bear that out. If not, we'll see what's next.

In the majority of the losses ZEKE DIDN'T SHOW UP. As usual, you give Zeke a pass. How'd Aikman do when Emmitt didn't show up?
 

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LOL......Dak a "perk". Look I like Dak...I am not a hater. But you actually think Dak was a crucial selling point? To Steal MM away from whatever he was up to before?

Good grief!

Like or dislike Dak, saying he wasn't one of the strongest players on the Cowboys roster last year is just wrong....was he a selling point? I'm not sure Jerry ever needed a selling point to get a coach, what he has needed is to pick the coach and then let him do his job and hold him accountable. Not "groom his coach" and make excuses for him for 10 years.
 

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Im not sure McCarthy can do anything with Dak missing wide open guys and throwing over and behind them. If this team is able to improve it will be from game planning and preparation but it all comes down to consistently executing the play. Dak has all the pieces and now its time for him to step up and get better.

Again i agree there needs to be accountability across the board every year, so what does Dak getting better this year look like to you? I'm pretty sure his completion % was among the tops.... i'm not saying he is perfect but you guys hold on to a small percent of bad throws and use to dig subway tunnels in every thread. so in other words in your opinion how much higher does his completion % need to be than the next guy in the league for you to say man that's an accurate QB?
 

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WOW! If they didn't want to go over 35M a year and then move to 6M more a year. May be time for something different and I am one of 2 or 3 that is in the middle on Dak. Better win the SB this year to even talk about anything over 40M.

So Dak has to play defense, special teams, take all the RB snaps instead of Zeke/Pollard, play WR, TE, block for himself on the OL, and coach too? What are the other players and coaches getting paid for? Teams win SB's.
 

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Im not sure McCarthy can do anything with Dak missing wide open guys and throwing over and behind them. If this team is able to improve it will be from game planning and preparation but it all comes down to consistently executing the play. Dak has all the pieces and now its time for him to step up and get better.

Dak's shoulder injury.
 

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The very first game he played in, on the second pass he threw. It was intercepted, oddly enough, but it was the way he let it RIP without hesitation that impressed me.
It was his first appearance. Most backups don't have that presence. He never looked lost on the field at all, but as if he was in complete control.
Dak doesn't have that.

I'm sorry maybe we just don't see the same thing when we watch games but Moore looked exactly like what it was, the NFL game was way to fast for him and it showed with his interceptions. Making quick decisions to fire a pass doesn't make it the right decision, when you throw 6 int's in 2.5 games that's not a good trend. For real you cant be serious
 

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I do however think he has a chance to be a very good coach and had he not had the Clapper Clamps put on him after some success last season we might have been better.
 

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Like or dislike Dak, saying he wasn't one of the strongest players on the Cowboys roster last year is just wrong....was he a selling point? I'm not sure Jerry ever needed a selling point to get a coach, what he has needed is to pick the coach and then let him do his job and hold him accountable. Not "groom his coach" and make excuses for him for 10 years.
I never said he wasn't a "strong player". I think MM would have come here if we Winston, Brady or Dak. That was ALL I was saying.

I agree with the rest of your comment.
 
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