Serious question for Dak haters

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I really like the Cousins analogy. Cousins looks horrible one day and the next week he is lighting a weaker opponent up. Perfect comparison. Throw Cousins or Dak on the 2001 Ravens and they are both SB winning QB's. Throw them on the 2019 Chiefs and I think they are a 2nd round and out type of team. Good...just not great.
That's why the Chiefs got rid of another Dak football brother Alex Smith. He's ok but not good eniugh. That's who Dak is ok but not good enough. That's just who he is and I seriously doubt he's changing 5years in. Most pro players don't get much better after 5years of starting experience.
 

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I am one of the biggest proponents of players getting paid ; I watch the NFL for its players , not the owners ..........But how big is your ego if you're asking for the most money and you're not the top player at your position , much less the league ?

As big as every other marquee player due a contract?

Also didn’t they say he all but agreed to 35?
 

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There are a lot of you. Question - Is there anything he can do to change your mind? Would a SB win do it? League MVP? NFC Championship? 40 TDs? Anything?

Is it the contract? Is it because he is not Mahomes or Wilson?

Dak haters and fans agree that Dak can be inconsistent with accuracy but I think he adds toughness, running ability and leadership.

Serious question so don’t be nasty. What, if anything, could he do to win you over?


If he is able to get better at his flaws on a consistent basis i would consider to give him a contract. But since he did not show this during his college nor nfl career i doubt it. He just peeked for his talent level.
 

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Interesting. I'd like to see more assessment on this theory. I have heard and read a lot about "slow starts". ...let's dig into it.
Be careful just accepting people's narratives as factual. Dak and the whole team suffered slow starts since Moore took over the reigns but if you look at Dak's numbers over the first three years of his career he was fine in the first half of games. MY guess is that Kellen Moore is simply not as good at scripting those first 15 - 20 plays as Redheaded Jesus is. I mean two handoffs to Pollard out of split backs to start the game? WTH was that!??!
 

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If he is able to get better at his flaws on a consistent basis i would consider to give him a contract. But since he did not show this during his college nor nfl career i doubt it. He just peeked for his talent level.

The word is peaked. Dak has consistently improved every year. The only exception has been the dip in year two when the league sacked Zeke for 6 games. Dak was not ready to carry the load back then. But something that never gets talked about is that after starting out 0-3 without Zeke, I believe Dak has won his last 5 starts when Zeke didn't suit up. The notion that a QB cannot improve beyond some arbitrary number of years is complete hogwash. Hell Rodgers is playing better at 37 than he did at 27. Brady kept getting better into his late 30's. As did Brees. Okay those are all time greats so maybe you're not comfortable placing Dak in that category.. Do the names Jeff Garcia, Chris Chandler, Rich Gannon, or Vinny Testaverde mean anything to you? Those are all QBs who made their first pro bowl AFTER the age of 30 if I'm not mistaken. Hell our own Tony Romo was a MUCH better QB at 36 than he was at 26. Because so much of it is mental, QB is the one position that a guy can keep improving throughout his entire career, providing his body holds up. Which with his build, Dak should have no problem with.
 

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If he is able to get better at his flaws on a consistent basis i would consider to give him a contract. But since he did not show this during his college nor nfl career i doubt it. He just peeked for his talent level.
That's the thing how many players Dak or otherwise have greatly improved after 5 years of starting in the league? Not many. They are who they are production wise until they start to decline. It will always be some outliers but for the most part that's just how it works.
 

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Be careful just accepting people's narratives as factual. Dak and the whole team suffered slow starts since Moore took over the reigns but if you look at Dak's numbers over the first three years of his career he was fine in the first half of games. MY guess is that Kellen Moore is simply not as good at scripting those first 15 - 20 plays as Redheaded Jesus is. I mean two handoffs to Pollard out of split backs to start the game? WTH was that!??!
I hadn’t thought about the scripting of the first bunch of plays as an explanation for our slow starts. There may be something to that.
 

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The word is peaked. Dak has consistently improved every year. The only exception has been the dip in year two when the league sacked Zeke for 6 games. Dak was not ready to carry the load back then. But something that never gets talked about is that after starting out 0-3 without Zeke, I believe Dak has won his last 5 starts when Zeke didn't suit up. The notion that a QB cannot improve beyond some arbitrary number of years is complete hogwash. Hell Rodgers is playing better at 37 than he did at 27. Brady kept getting better into his late 30's. As did Brees. Okay those are all time greats so maybe you're not comfortable placing Dak in that category.. Do the names Jeff Garcia, Chris Chandler, Rich Gannon, or Vinny Testaverde mean anything to you? Those are all QBs who made their first pro bowl AFTER the age of 30 if I'm not mistaken. Hell our own Tony Romo was a MUCH better QB at 36 than he was at 26. Because so much of it is mental, QB is the one position that a guy can keep improving throughout his entire career, providing his body holds up. Which with his build, Dak should have no problem with.
Even Romo wasn't much better stats wise. He played about the same from about 2010 to retirement taking out injuries. Actually it isn't hogwash and stats back this up for more players than not.
 

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That's the thing how many players Dak or otherwise have greatly improved after 5 years of starting in the league? Not many. They are who they are production wise until they start to decline. It will always be some outliers but for the most part that's just how it works.

What year was Brady in when he passed for 50 TDs? What year was Manning in when he passed for 51? Emmitt missed two games in 1998 (year 8) but still rushed for 1400 yards. Jerry Rice set his career highs for catches and yards in YEAR ELEVEN!! Barry Sanders rushed for 2000 yards in year 9. Michael Irvin's best year for catches, TDs and yards was year 7. I could go on but if you don't get the picture by now you never will. Like it or not there is a LONG list of great players who continued to get better after year 5. Posting up some artificial barrier after which players can't get any better makes absolutely zero sense. But if you wanna keep doing it.. Go right ahead.. I'll just keep adding the list of players who prove you wrong.
 

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Even Romo wasn't much better stats wise. He played about the same from about 2010 to retirement taking out injuries. Actually it isn't hogwash and stats back this up for more players than not.

In 2010 Romo threw 11 TDs and 7 picks in 6 games. In 2014 he threw 34 TDs and 9 picks in 15 games. And you consider that to be "about the same?" You're kidding right?
 

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That's the thing how many players Dak or otherwise have greatly improved after 5 years of starting in the league? Not many. They are who they are production wise until they start to decline. It will always be some outliers but for the most part that's just how it works.

I guess we will all see what is in store for Dak after this season.

Hell, he might even remember Romo saying, "well, if i don't win something, ill still have a good life"...(something like dat).

30 mil something greenbacks, froggys...coin..dinero. One way or the other, he's set pretty much for life if he never plays another game.
 

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What year was Brady in when he passed for 50 TDs? What year was Manning in when he passed for 51? Emmitt missed two games in 1998 (year 8) but still rushed for 1400 yards. Jerry Rice set his career highs for catches and yards in YEAR ELEVEN!! Barry Sanders rushed for 2000 yards in year 9. Michael Irvin's best year for catches, TDs and yards was year 7. I could go on but if you don't get the picture by now you never will. Like it or not there is a LONG list of great players who continued to get better after year 5. Posting up some artificial barrier after which players can't get any better makes absolutely zero sense. But if you wanna keep doing it.. Go right ahead.. I'll just keep adding the list of players who prove you wrong.
Outliers can never prove nothing wrong smh. I shouldn't have to tell you that. My dad won the lottery twice you think that's going to happen for the average person? Again outlier seasons don't prove me wrong so keep using your outliers they prove nothing.
 

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I hadn’t thought about the scripting of the first bunch of plays as an explanation for our slow starts. There may be something to that.
Remember all the times when Garrett and Lenahan were in charge we would open games with the play-action boot and Dak would hit the tight end, Swaim, Witten or Jarwin for a big gain? Moore has yet to use that play early in games that I can recall yet it nearly always worked for us because every team we played loaded up for Zeke on the first series. I am assuming it's something he will get better at as he goes along. He got undressed by better DCs last year and he undressed bad ones. Unfortunately I think there are more good DCs in the league than bad so he's gotta step it up and quickly.
 

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In 2010 Romo threw 11 TDs and 7 picks in 6 games. In 2014 he threw 34 TDs and 9 picks in 15 games. And you consider that to be "about the same?" You're kidding right?
Lol you're really comparing stats from 6 games to 15? Lol ok
 

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I guess we will all see what is in store for Dak after this season.

Hell, he might even remember Romo saying, "well, if i don't win something, ill still have a good life"...(something like dat).

30 mil something greenbacks, froggys...coin..dinero. One way or the other, he's set pretty much for life if he never plays another game.
I'm pretty sure with this talent he will be similar to last years stats. That's who he is and it won't get much better outside the outlier season or two. Like I've said he's Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith level. He plays just good enough to keep you from getting better and honestly you can say the same about Romo even though I think he's a better QB passing wise.
 

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Outliers can never prove nothing wrong smh. I shouldn't have to tell you that. My dad won the lottery twice you think that's going to happen for the average person? Again outlier seasons don't prove me wrong so keep using your outliers they prove nothing.

Again you are missing the point. Getting better with age is NOT the outlier for great players. Now only time will tell is Dak is truly a great player or just a good one but great players who have that hunger will keep getting better until their bodies won't let them anymore. The only thing that worries me about Dak is that he has allowed money to compromise his path to greatness. Demanding ALL the money the Joneses can pay him will almost certainly result in his teams never being quite good enough to reach the Super Bowl because there won't be any money left under the cap to go fill a need that pops up as a season wears on. If Troy had demanded that kind of money we never sign Deion and the '95 Super Bowl goes to the Niners.
 

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Dak is a good, solid, NFL QB who wants to be paid elite QB money. Unless he leads the Cowboys to a deep playoff run, I would let him walk after this season.
 
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