Are Cowboys over invested at receiver?

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This defense was touted as potentially improved , not rebuilding.
They completely changed schemes. When you change schemes with personnel that doesn't fit the scheme....that is rebuilding IMO. They tried to put a few band aids on some gunshot wounds but those roles will eventually have to be replaced soon.
 

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My broader message is we could have used our pick for weaker positions or greater needs than WR. It’s not up to me to state individual names or players. Much like I’m not singling out Lamb. Just his position.
The Cowboys flaws have been secondary, defensive line and linebacker. Did you want them to reach for a player there or trade down? If you are saying they should've traded down from Lamb then ok I guess I can understand that but there was no way you'd overdraft someone at 17.
 

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They completely changed schemes. When you change schemes with personnel that doesn't fit the scheme....that is rebuilding IMO. They tried to put a few band aids on some gunshot wounds but those roles will eventually have to be replaced soon.
It might be in your opinion. I’d call it more of retooling. I didn’t see any rhetoric or touting this was a defense under construction. We basically were replacing some FA who walked.
 

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It might be in your opinion. I’d call it more of retooling. I didn’t see any rhetoric or touting this was a defense under construction. We basically were replacing some FA who walked.
Of course they won't say it. But when you go from Maranelli personnel to Mike Nolan's scheme.....they are rebuilding. Next two offseason we will see new linebackers, corners and safeties here. In the next 2 years this defense will look completely different. Diggs, LVE and maybe Jaylon are going to be the only pieces here 2 years from now...maybe Lawrence because of his contract.
 

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The Cowboys flaws have been secondary, defensive line and linebacker. Did you want them to reach for a player there or trade down? If you are saying they should've traded down from Lamb then ok I guess I can understand that but there was no way you'd overdraft someone at 17.
Yes, if there wasn’t a player for a position of need we felt worthy of that slot then I’d of traded down for more draft capital to shore up the defense.
 

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Are you watching it? You saw how much turnover they had on defense? AnD they will have even more next season.....
Yeah, who cares about the rhetoric. This has all the signs of a complete D rebuild. I seriously don't see how it can be viewed in any other way. What, it's not a rebuild just because the spewers aren't saying it?
 

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Yes, if there wasn’t a player for a position of need we felt worthy of that slot then I’d of traded down for more draft capital to shore up the defense.

Ok that's a viable argument. I don't agree. To me I don't trade away from talent. I can always trade talent later on. I don't trade away from talent though and I don't trade up for it. Getting too cute in the draft will hurt you.

But there was definitely an argument for it.
 

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Yes, if there wasn’t a player for a position of need we felt worthy of that slot then I’d of traded down for more draft capital to shore up the defense.
Of course. Or not resigned Coop and take his replacement. This was a deep draft at WR anyway, no reason to overpay Coop. That whole thing w/ Coop has become nothing but an extreme fiasco.
 

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Of course they won't say it. But when you go from Maranelli personnel to Mike Nolan's scheme.....they are rebuilding. Next two offseason we will see new linebackers, corners and safeties here. In the next 2 years this defense will look completely different. Diggs, LVE and maybe Jaylon are going to be the only pieces here 2 years from now...maybe Lawrence because of his contract.
I don’t agree with your assumption we were looking at this defense like a “ rebuild”. I’d call what you’re describing as more of a retooling.

2 years from now is a long time. Much can change. I’m only referring to this season. This is the first I’ve heard of a “ rebuild”.
 

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Can’t pass on the clear BPA in the draft. However if the cowboys knew they would be getting him, no way they would have resigned Cooper to that monster contract.... I at least hope they would not have.
 

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I don’t agree with your assumption we were looking at this defense like a “ rebuild”. I’d call what you’re describing as more of a retooling.

2 years from now is a long time. Much can change. I’m only referring to this season. This is the first I’ve heard of a “ rebuild”.
If we weren't looking at it as a rebuild, that's simply more dumbness from this org. You can call a duck a mongoose, but it's still a duck.
 

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Yeah, who cares about the rhetoric. This has all the signs of a complete D rebuild. I seriously don't see how it can be viewed in any other way. What, it's not a rebuild just because the spewers aren't saying it?
Yeah I don't understand that......why in the hell would Jerry admit that lol? Its definitely a rebuild. It sucks to hear but that's what it is and it won't hit its potential they get the personnel to fit it. They are just fitting guys into roles.
 

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Of course. Or not resigned Coop and take his replacement. This was a deep draft at WR anyway, no reason to overpay Coop. That whole thing w/ Coop has become nothing but an extreme fiasco.
Yep . I never understood after signing Cooper we’d go WR 1st in the draft. Unbelievable!!

Id of agreed drafting Lamb if we hadn’t signed Cooper. WR would have definitely been a position of need.
 

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Can’t pass on the clear BPA in the draft. However if the cowboys knew they would be getting him, no way they would have resigned Cooper to that monster contract.... I at least hope they would not have.
That's a good question. I think they still sign Cooper. They gave up a 1st rounder for him. I think they still do it.
 

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Can’t pass on the clear BPA in the draft. However if the cowboys knew they would be getting him, no way they would have resigned Cooper to that monster contract.... I at least hope they would not have.
And we then keep telling ourselves that every year all the way to 8-8?

I like Lamb, but ignoring the DLine yet again puts us another year away. That is not going to change until we stop making excuses for not addressing it. Hey, Lamb's a good piece. Now let's fix what will get us there. And if the clear BPA next year is another WR, then what? Put ourselves another year or 6 away?
 

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Yep . I never understood after signing Cooper we’d go WR 1st in the draft. Unbelievable!!

Id of agreed drafting Lamb if we hadn’t signed Cooper. WR would have definitely been a position of need.
They of course didn't want to get Lamb. They didn't think they'd have a shot at him. They tried to get Christian Kirk this offseason. They signed Cooper thinking they'd have a void even in a deep receiver draft.
 

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And we then keep telling ourselves that every year all the way to 8-8?

I like Lamb, but ignoring the DLine yet again puts us another year away. That is not going to change until we stop making excuses for not addressing it. Hey, Lamb's a good piece. Now let's fix what will get us there. And if the clear BPA next year is another WR, then what? Put ourselves another year or 6 away?
They did have a void at receiver. You need 3 or 4 solid receivers and we knew we had 2 but we didn't know what Wilson and Brown were or if they'd even be healthy.
 

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Our secondary is a mess. We can’t allow opposing teams to run free . It’s not a winning formula . The Cowboys have given up 38 points in consecutive games for the first time since 1988 which was Landry’s last season when we finished 3-13.

Lamb is an awesome talent but with receivers our position of strength are we over invested while leaving other positions of weakness more vulnerable.

Who pays top 5 money to a WR1 while using their 1st pick at WR when you already have 2 starting receivers with so many weaknesses in other areas? That’s a luxury we couldn’t really afford.

Cedric Wilson’s return this season with his breakout performance Sunday scoring his first 2 TD’s of his career with 5 catches over a 100 yards is a perfect example of how you develop instead of continuing to use our highest picks in draft on key positions.

Unless we can convert one of them to our secondary we appear to have over-invested in one position while leaving other critical positions of weakness vulnerable which could ultimately cost the season.
Yes

But it would've been really tough to pass on CeeDee at 17. Certainly, the plan was not to invest yet another 1st rounder at WR, but he was too good to pass up at 17.

It' the best young WR group we have ever had and it may not even be close. Most expensive too if you include draft capital

26 year old Cooper---1st round pick AND 20 mil/yr
21 year old Lamb--1st round pick
24 year old Gallup--3rd rd pick

Then add in Zeke....
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