Dalton's numbers aren't encouraging

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From having faced NFL defenses for 10 years he will have seen more than most have forgotten.

People seem to think Dalton was playing for the Patriots under Belichick...he was playing for the Bengals under Marvin Lewis.

Tannehill is only just showing what he's really capable of now that he has a chance - expect Red Rifle to do the same.
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He's shown a remarkable ability to turn around and hand off with the best of them. Dude was winning games with single digit pass attempts. He had Jarvis Landry and Devante Parker in Miami.. Frankly his receivers in Nashville were a downgrade for him.
 
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It was a good throw but there can be no denying that it was underthrown. Just watch Gallup having to bend backwards to haul it in. Dropping it in the breadbasket would have resulted in a touchdown.
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Yes, you're right, it was slightly underthrown. Not "severely" and it didn't require a "circus catch". I'm just annoyed by the blinders some people have on when it comes to certain players.
 
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I think he was the best option for a backup QB and applauded them for landing him; however, that was before I knew he was actually going to have to play.

The last 3 years he was in CIN, his TD to INT was 62 to 37. His playoff record is worse, 1 to 6.

The posts about him being an improvement over Prescott are puzzling to say the least, Prescott is the reason they're 2-3 and not 0-5 and our QB talk centering around the draft.

There can be a lot of different reasons for Dalton's record the last 3 seasons or his availability as a backup or having that as his only option but the only way he is going to save this season, and I think the best of that is winning the East, is with a lot of help.

Now, you can say he didn't get that in CIN and I will agree but will he get that in DAL? There seems to be this feeling that everybody will up their game because the backup QB is in and they'll rally and "Win one for the Dakster". All of the sudden, the D will not look like rejects at a Keystone Cops casting call.

This certainly isn't an ideal situation for Dalton and had he known the 2 OT's and C and his backup would be gone, he might have reconsidered this. He does have one thing in his favor, he can use his feet and neither Cassel or Weeden could do that effectively. However, in his last season in CIN, he did fumble 8 times.

The numbers don't tell the entire story but I wonder about where his head is at. He had a terrible last season in CIN. He got benched and was then brought back in and they ended up with the top draft pick and used it to replace him. I wonder if he was looking for a soft spot after a year like that? Take a little bit of the pressure off because it had to be unbearable.

So, if you're looking for drama in this 2020 NFL season, look no further than your Dallas Cowboys. Got a HC looking for redemption and now he has a QB looking for the same thing. Rarely does this happen, two men in the same boat, each needing the other to save them. And it's their first season together and they couldn't be in a worse place. Ain't no hiding in Dallas.

This isn't a rap against Andy Dalton, just some of the facts about his numbers. Players have beaten the numbers before and there is one thing for sure, McC and Dalton do not have to imagine what the other is thinking, they no exactly how each other is feeling. They should have as strong a bond as possible in this short period of time knowing each other.

I am not a numbers guy as much as one that is interested in the human condition. I've been pretty much wrong about that the last few times and centered on that with McC trying to redeem himself but now that has been magnified with his QB needing the same thing. The pain of their teams not wanting them has to still sting and that human condition side of me wonders can that be the magic?

Think about it. The HC is under fire and his old team is off to a great start. The QB's replacement in CIN is already being heralded as a future HOF. They are already distant memories after only being gone a couple of years.

I do believe in that having something to prove but that's in my heart. My mind looks at this team and tells my heart what a fool it is.
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So you are slamming Dalton's time in CIN when it is well known that the organization was a joke....okay then.

Oh, and you do realize that Dak has a playoff record of 1-2 so not sure why you are slamming one and not the other for having a losing playoff record.
 
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USArmyVet said:
So you are slamming Dalton's time in CIN when it is well known that the organization was a joke....okay then.

Oh, and you do realize that Dak has a playoff record of 1-2 so not sure why you are slamming one and not the other for having a losing playoff record.
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Easy.. one has thrown 1 TD and 6 picks in 4 playoff games while the other has 5 TDs and 2 picks in 3 games. One guy was probably a big reason why his team lost while the other guy did his part and maybe a little more but could not overcome a porous defense that gave up 30 or more points in his two losses. Dalton put up 10,13,10 and 10 points in his playoff appearances.. meanwhile Dak has put up 31, 24 and 22. I won't insult you by adding up the numbers for you but seems like it's pretty easy to see that one guy showed up in the playoffs and the other .. well didn't. One guy's passer rating is 95.7 for his playoff career.. The other guy's is 57.8. Dak's WORST playoff game passer rating of 83.8 was better than Dalton's BEST passer rating of 67.0 Dalton has two playoff games with 2 or more INTs. Dak has thrown a total of 2 INTS in his 3 playoff games. We Cowboy fans better hope that Dalton has matured into a QB who can perform a little better under the bright lights than that..
 
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The other flip side is that Dalton will be better at reading a defensive coverage and breaking down the protection he needs for each play. Especially without any fans. Tannehill did it well last night. Rodgers has been owning it and Wilson. The vet QB's are thriving without any fans
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There's only one way to find out whether or not Dalton will be better, as good, or worse than Dak and that is to watch the rest of the season play out. So we shall see.
 
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There's only one way to find out whether or not Dalton will be better, as good, or worse than Dak and that is to watch the rest of the season play out. So we shall see.
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I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Dalton plays as well as Dak. But one hopes that his insertion into the lineup gets the coaching staff to come to its senses and we start seeing Zeke carry it 25 times and Pollard another 7-10.
 

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See, this is what annoys me on this board. When Dak throws a bad pass and the receiver can't catch it, everyone blames the receiver. "he should have caught that, he gets paid to catch those" and it's never Dak's fault, no matter if he throws it too high, behind the receiver, at their feet, etc. In this case, Dalton drops it right into Gallup's breadbasket and now I'm seeing crap like "severely underthrown" and "circus catch". If anything it was SLIGHTLY underthrown, but easily catchable.

Seriously, just L.O.L. Some of you are so deep in the fanboyism it's gotten ridiculous.
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well, actually on this very board, I have read the opposite, that every Dak throw was scrutinized to no end. no one ever credited Dak, it was always the WR......

and that long throw, wasn't right into his basket. go watch it again. Gallup had to slow down, if Dalton would have led him, it might have been a TD.....

here is the link to it

 
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he was credited with a comeback. absolutely. because he lost the LEAD that was HANDED to him....no doubt about that neither....spin it how you want.....
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Why do you argue? Its on the books he got a Comeback and a Game Winning Drive. You said he didn't.
Nobody is spinning anything (maybe you are). But its a fact. He got a Comeback and a Game Winning Drive for the win over the Giants.
 

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He's shown a remarkable ability to turn around and hand off with the best of them. Dude was winning games with single digit pass attempts. He had Jarvis Landry and Devante Parker in Miami.. Frankly his receivers in Nashville were a downgrade for him.
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Parker wasn't the same receiver back then that he is now - he had a nightmare opening few seasons with injury setbacks.
Tannehill has had 9 TDs and 1 INT with the team at 4-0 this season. Many predicted that last season just a flash in the pan...
 
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I think he was the best option for a backup QB and applauded them for landing him; however, that was before I knew he was actually going to have to play.

The last 3 years he was in CIN, his TD to INT was 62 to 37. His playoff record is worse, 1 to 6.

The posts about him being an improvement over Prescott are puzzling to say the least, Prescott is the reason they're 2-3 and not 0-5 and our QB talk centering around the draft.

There can be a lot of different reasons for Dalton's record the last 3 seasons or his availability as a backup or having that as his only option but the only way he is going to save this season, and I think the best of that is winning the East, is with a lot of help.

Now, you can say he didn't get that in CIN and I will agree but will he get that in DAL? There seems to be this feeling that everybody will up their game because the backup QB is in and they'll rally and "Win one for the Dakster". All of the sudden, the D will not look like rejects at a Keystone Cops casting call.

This certainly isn't an ideal situation for Dalton and had he known the 2 OT's and C and his backup would be gone, he might have reconsidered this. He does have one thing in his favor, he can use his feet and neither Cassel or Weeden could do that effectively. However, in his last season in CIN, he did fumble 8 times.

The numbers don't tell the entire story but I wonder about where his head is at. He had a terrible last season in CIN. He got benched and was then brought back in and they ended up with the top draft pick and used it to replace him. I wonder if he was looking for a soft spot after a year like that? Take a little bit of the pressure off because it had to be unbearable.

So, if you're looking for drama in this 2020 NFL season, look no further than your Dallas Cowboys. Got a HC looking for redemption and now he has a QB looking for the same thing. Rarely does this happen, two men in the same boat, each needing the other to save them. And it's their first season together and they couldn't be in a worse place. Ain't no hiding in Dallas.

This isn't a rap against Andy Dalton, just some of the facts about his numbers. Players have beaten the numbers before and there is one thing for sure, McC and Dalton do not have to imagine what the other is thinking, they no exactly how each other is feeling. They should have as strong a bond as possible in this short period of time knowing each other.

I am not a numbers guy as much as one that is interested in the human condition. I've been pretty much wrong about that the last few times and centered on that with McC trying to redeem himself but now that has been magnified with his QB needing the same thing. The pain of their teams not wanting them has to still sting and that human condition side of me wonders can that be the magic?

Think about it. The HC is under fire and his old team is off to a great start. The QB's replacement in CIN is already being heralded as a future HOF. They are already distant memories after only being gone a couple of years.

I do believe in that having something to prove but that's in my heart. My mind looks at this team and tells my heart what a fool it is.
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Here's a couple other things to point out about Dalton. With the bengals he had a better offensive line than he has now and that won't bode well for someone that has had a worse fumbling problem that Prescott. He has on already added to fumbling in just a few snaps. Next Dalton also had a better defense to help out after one of his fumbles or MANY picks. Lastly Dalton who got fired in favor of a QB with zero NFL snaps has played good enough that the team nor fans are having thought about Dalton other than maybe they're glad they got rid of him.
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1. Zurlein won the Atlanta game with a phenomenal onside kick and then game winner.
2. Dalton engineered the comeback against the Giants. Prescott took 2 quarters off before starting the process of digging the team out of a hole. But Dalton finished it.

3. Maybe Dalton will be our Jim Plunket. He was as good as his supporting cast in Cincy. He's got a better supporting cast now......at least on offense.
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You're wrong on point 2 and 3. Gallup was who gets credit for the win last week not Dalton and Dalton had a much better offensive line and defense with the bengals.
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I’m not a fan of Andy Dalton he’s already floated the ball. It’s OK for D passes but it does lead to many interceptions. All I can hope for is more balance like you said. And the preseason look-alike dilemma is gone. We played with Energy. That was lacking.
 
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You're wrong on point 2 and 3. Gallup was who gets credit for the win last week not Dalton and Dalton had a much better offensive line and defense with the bengals.
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These people forget that he gave up an 11 point deficit. Only to come back and have Gallup and the kicker bail him out.
 
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