Dak Prescott’s value was on full display tonight

[RonnieT24]

Fine, but you know what I said was right. He didn't finish the game so it's not a win for him. But its not the point is it. Even if you gave him that win, he still doesn't have a winning record so where does any of this impact the point? IF Dak signs, IF. But how does it drop his cap number by 20 mil and more importantly, why do you pay out a record deal to a guy who can't win you games? Why don't you busy yourself with explaining those claims.

I didn't give him the win.. The NFL record books do. The starter gets the win or the loss. THat's just how it's done. I am sorry it doesn't jibe with your narrative but that's the reality. I have already explained how signing him to a long term deal lowers his cap number. I don't really know that I can explain it any simpler. If someone else can break it down in terms you can follow they can have at it. As far as Dak's impact it's also pretty simple. With Dak you are an average defense from being a contender. Without him you need an all star team comprised of Doomsday, the Steel Curtain and the '85 Bears to have a chance. Dak has shown over the past season plus that he can lead an offense to better than 30 ppg. If you pair that with a defense that yields 25 ppg you're going to win 12-13 games every year. If you pair it with a defense that yields 35 ppg you're going to win 2-3 games every year. The bottom line is that it's easier to shore up the defense than it is to find a franchise QB who can operate an offense at a 30+ ppg rate. Even the most dug in Dak hater would have to concede that. The simple fact remains that with Dak this offense was even better than it was last year. If we were just getting the same level of defense we got last year the team would be 5-1. Well.. make that 4-2 because last year's defense could not have helped on Monday night..

Right now the difference between the offense with Dak and with Dalton is about 23 points. Now I would guess that over time the gap would close to say, 12-14 points. I mean surely Dalton can guide the team to 20 ppg over these last 20 can't he? Even at that, Dak being worth 2 or more TDs per game says it all. That's why you pay the man. And you try like hell to lock him up long term so you don't have to go through this again for another 10 years.

 

[DCowboyz]

I'm not going to say we would have won with Dak but yes, Dak would have given us a chance at least. Even though the D and Zeke and everyone else sucked. Dalton just played bad, reminded me of those Weeden days. And that's not good. I feel like it's that 2015 season all over again. Bad QB play all year after our QB1 goes down. It's going to be a long season.

 

[RonnieT24]

General rule of thumb, if you can't explain something, you don't really understand it yourself.

Why does this power ("influence") disappear in games like against Philly last year? Or NE? Or NO? Or Buffalo? Or Chicago? Or the Rams?

1) They pay the other teams too.
2) There has been exactly one undefeated team in the history of the NFL.. so that "power" disappears once or twice a year for everybody
3) Nobody is perfect all game every game. All we can really expect is that the guys playing keep competing and giving us (them) a chance to win.
4) Dak is better this year than he was last year in nearly every facet of playing the position. He has been more accurate, has more command of the offense and has done a really good job of making sure the team never quit no matter what.

The bad games last year are what they are and can't be fixed. That's the thing about playing QB, if the line, the running backs and the receivers don't show up to the game it doesn't matter what he does.. Nobody can do it alone no matter how many "experts" tell us so and so "carried" his team or "won the game all by himself." It has never happened and it never will.

 

[Ranched]

Dak didn't turn down a big contract. the sticking point was the 5th year. he wanted a 4 year (cheaper) contract.

several big contracts that were handed off, that are not paying off and we should rid ourselves and rebuild, Lawrence, Zeke, Jaylon....

What an exemplary post!

 

[dckid]

I saw nowhere where Dak would have improved anything.

Every single aspect was garbage.

The Cards were aggressive and physical, and the Cowboys were just a punching bag. These boys need to find their manhood.

This is not a manhood issue. This is a team constantly putting a bandaid n a flesh wound.
Please come to your senses and sell all assets and build for the near future. No need to try to win 6 games.2-14 is perfect.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm not going to say we would have won with Dak but yes, Dak would have given us a chance at least. Even though the D and Zeke and everyone else sucked. Dalton just played bad, reminded me of those Weeden days. And that's not good. I feel like it's that 2015 season all over again. Bad QB play all year after our QB1 goes down. It's going to be a long season.

Yeah from what we've seen this year the other guys can be having a crappy day but can be inspired by Dak doing something great. I mean the defense stopped being run over for three straight drives against Cleveland because of it.. The same thing happened against ATL late and Seattle until the final drive. Football is a game where emotion plays a huge part ... and one guy can give the team a spark. Maybe if Gallup makes that catch Monday night it sparks the team to a better performance.. but you could see it on everyone's faces after we settled for that field goal. They had "Welp that was our chance right there" written all over them. I hope like hell we are able to make a few of those connections as the season wears on and we can win 5 or 6 more games. I do NOT want to be watching games with nothing on the line in December.. and Lord knows I am going to watch regardless. Hell it's football season.. every Sunday is already spoken for!!

 

[CATCH17]

It is not an excuse. He had a drive killed by a fumble, and another killed by a fumble, another killed by a bad pi call, and a easy td pass dropped. That is what happened

I am not saying he played like a superstar

lol good luck with posting common sense right now.

The pay Dak guys are rejoicing for some strange reason that Dalton doesn't lose as pretty as Dak did this season. So far..

 

[Kevinicus]

1) They pay the other teams too.
2) There has been exactly one undefeated team in the history of the NFL.. so that "power" disappears once or twice a year for everybody
3) Nobody is perfect all game every game. All we can really expect is that the guys playing keep competing and giving us (them) a chance to win.
4) Dak is better this year than he was last year in nearly every facet of playing the position. He has been more accurate, has more command of the offense and has done a really good job of making sure the team never quit no matter what.

The bad games last year are what they are and can't be fixed. That's the thing about playing QB, if the line, the running backs and the receivers don't show up to the game it doesn't matter what he does.. Nobody can do it alone no matter how many "experts" tell us so and so "carried" his team or "won the game all by himself." It has never happened and it never will.

I agree with almost all of what you said. The rest I would say is possible, but inconclusive.

So...one game is a bad sample size to judge Dalton, correct?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't give him the win.. The NFL record books do. The starter gets the win or the loss. THat's just how it's done. I am sorry it doesn't jibe with your narrative but that's the reality. I have already explained how signing him to a long term deal lowers his cap number. I don't really know that I can explain it any simpler. If someone else can break it down in terms you can follow they can have at it. As far as Dak's impact it's also pretty simple. With Dak you are an average defense from being a contender. Without him you need an all star team comprised of Doomsday, the Steel Curtain and the '85 Bears to have a chance. Dak has shown over the past season plus that he can lead an offense to better than 30 ppg. If you pair that with a defense that yields 25 ppg you're going to win 12-13 games every year. If you pair it with a defense that yields 35 ppg you're going to win 2-3 games every year. The bottom line is that it's easier to shore up the defense than it is to find a franchise QB who can operate an offense at a 30+ ppg rate. Even the most dug in Dak hater would have to concede that. The simple fact remains that with Dak this offense was even better than it was last year. If we were just getting the same level of defense we got last year the team would be 5-1. Well.. make that 4-2 because last year's defense could not have helped on Monday night..

Right now the difference between the offense with Dak and with Dalton is about 23 points. Now I would guess that over time the gap would close to say, 12-14 points. I mean surely Dalton can guide the team to 20 ppg over these last 20 can't he? Even at that, Dak being worth 2 or more TDs per game says it all. That's why you pay the man. And you try like hell to lock him up long term so you don't have to go through this again for another 10 years.

What does that matter? You are still focused on the ants and the ant hill, rather then the incoming hurricane. That's the reality.

30 points or 15 points or 9 points, who cares? If you don't get the wins, then what difference does it make? Continuing to invest in Offense if we are starting over on the OL is a mistake. I don't care who posts what stats. You are not going to win. I said this early on in this discussion, this isn't a Dak discussion. This is about what's smart in terms of cap management. Again, that's the reality.

When you get to a point where you want to talk about that, go ahead and respond but if all you are going to do is try sell me on stats about Dak, don't bother. All of that doesn't matter to me and it's not going to further the conversation.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is not a manhood issue. This is a team constantly putting a bandaid n a flesh wound.
Please come to your senses and sell all assets and build for the near future. No need to try to win 6 games.2-14 is perfect.

Flesh wounds do band aids. What we have is avulsion. We'll need surgery.

 

[RonnieT24]

What does that matter? You are still focused on the ants and the ant hill, rather then the incoming hurricane. That's the reality.

30 points or 15 points or 9 points, who cares? If you don't get the wins, then what difference does it make? Continuing to invest in Offense if we are starting over on the OL is a mistake. I don't care who posts what stats. You are not going to win. I said this early on in this discussion, this isn't a Dak discussion. This is about what's smart in terms of cap management. Again, that's the reality.

When you get to a point where you want to talk about that, go ahead and respond but if all you are going to do is try sell me on stats about Dak, don't bother. All of that doesn't matter to me and it's not going to further the conversation.

If I have to explain to you that the more points you can score the better chance you have to win this is going to be a pretty painful discussion. There really is no point in going any further. You continue to invest in offense because you can find good DBs, LBs, DEs, and DTs in the draft every year. Finding a good QB is harder.. a lot harder.. so when you have one you keep him and if you have to invest resources to ensure he stays upright you do it.. See the three first round picks spent to keep Romo standing.. even though it didn't work because Gronk's older brother couldn't pick up a blitz and because Romo simply got too old and fragile to take even the slightest bit of contact. I am not going to explain how you can sign Dak AND improve your cap situation over the next 2-3 years again. Anybody that doesn't understand that simply doesn't want to. If you don't sign Dak and you have to take a first round QB next year you still have not addressed the defense and now you've turned your team over to a rookie. That has worked out for this franchise exactly once in its history.. and that was with the guy you are advocating to let walk. Joe Burrow is coming off the best season by a QB in NCAA history.. and is now leading a team that has 1 win.

Keeping Dak means we can focus on defensive studs in the draft. Get a difference maker at DT, ILB or safety and this defense instantly becomes better. LVE could be that difference maker but frankly I don't trust his body to hold up. He's become Sean Lee the Sequel. The defense needs playmakers.. plain and simple. Right now it has none.. that more than anything is why they can't get stops when they need them. Lewis was the lone playmaker last year but the injury seems to have robbed him of that ability. Either that or there are so many other options for other teams to pick on he doesn't get many chances. I believe Diggs will become a playmaker in years to come but no one should be surprised he is getting an education as a rookie. Pretty much every rookie corner not named Charles Woodson has had the same experience. Hill was starting to look pretty promising at DT before he went down. Not take over a game dominant but trending in the right direction. A rotation of him, Woods, Gallimore and McCoy next year might not be too bad. Gallimore looks like a carbon copy of Hill from last year.. Lots of energy, no idea where he's supposed to be. Needs an offseason in the weight room and the film room. Crawford is as we feared.. a guy coming off double hip surgery who is closer to needing a walker than he is to being a viable NFL DT.

It will be interesting to see how Gregory impacts the dynamics of the pass rush. He is the only legit off the edge burner on the roster. If he plays up to his capability and Smith can have a second wind the pass rush might yet be what we want it to be. I know people are dumping on Lawrence for the Monday night game but he isn't fast enough to catch Kyler Murray.. Neither is Aldon Smith, nor is Armstrong or Griffen.. in reality no defensive lineman in the league is so constructing a defensive game plan that counted on that was just stoopid. But that's the elephant in the room isn't it? Maybe our defensive coaching staff is just stupid.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, if dak is so valuable why isn't he in the faces of these losers who are not giving 100%? oh, he just wants to be liked, he doesn't care if we wins or not. Pay the stat padder so we can continue this half-*** effort.

 

[renny]

Numbers so far say not. By "numbers".....the ones that count. I dont; care if you play crappy or all world. It is indeed a team game...and everyone on the team shares the ultimate numbers.

So far it's a wash. We have most certainly had NOT done "alot better". " a lot better" would be say....5-1. 2-4...is a wash...NOT any better. Come on.,

Whatever dude use numbers anyway you want to.

 

[RonnieT24]

I agree with almost all of what you said. The rest I would say is possible, but inconclusive.

So...one game is a bad sample size to judge Dalton, correct?

Not even a question. We need to see more.. Any assessment I have made of Dalton has been based on what I have seen in his career and in this last game. Like I said, the scouting reports I read said he had devolved into a Checkdown Charlie who will throw the ball into the turf at the first sign of trouble and who often refuses to take shots down the field. I think we saw a lot of that Monday night.. but because I love my team and I need to believe they can play a helluva lot better than what we saw Monday, I have to root for Dalton to elevate his game 3-4 notches. At least be "average." Then we might have a chance to run the ball.. but with Dalton showing an unwillingness to take any shots down the field for most of the first half the Cardinals compressed their defense more and more to the point where they may as well have been playing 11 men in the box. All 11 defenders were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage after a while. By the time he did start taking shots downfield it was 21-0 and the rushers were ignoring the run and the DBs sitting back waiting for him to try to throw it. He has to do better. It's not going to get much easier for him this week because the Football Team's d-line is better than the Cardinals. However their secondary is worse.. so there is going to be opportunity to hit some stuff down the field. Andy just has to pull the trigger.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Whatever dude use numbers anyway you want to.

WIns and losses.

We can argue all day about the other numbers and who does what. Pretty much what we do here. Still....2-4 no matter who does what. That's the numbers I'm talking about and no debate about it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If I have to explain to you that the more points you can score the better chance you have to win this is going to be a pretty painful discussion. There really is no point in going any further. You continue to invest in offense because you can find good DBs, LBs, DEs, and DTs in the draft every year. Finding a good QB is harder.. a lot harder.. so when you have one you keep him and if you have to invest resources to ensure he stays upright you do it.. See the three first round picks spent to keep Romo standing.. even though it didn't work because Gronk's older brother couldn't pick up a blitz and because Romo simply got too old and fragile to take even the slightest bit of contact. I am not going to explain how you can sign Dak AND improve your cap situation over the next 2-3 years again. Anybody that doesn't understand that simply doesn't want to. If you don't sign Dak and you have to take a first round QB next year you still have not addressed the defense and now you've turned your team over to a rookie. That has worked out for this franchise exactly once in its history.. and that was with the guy you are advocating to let walk. Joe Burrow is coming off the best season by a QB in NCAA history.. and is now leading a team that has 1 win.

Keeping Dak means we can focus on defensive studs in the draft. Get a difference maker at DT, ILB or safety and this defense instantly becomes better. LVE could be that difference maker but frankly I don't trust his body to hold up. He's become Sean Lee the Sequel. The defense needs playmakers.. plain and simple. Right now it has none.. that more than anything is why they can't get stops when they need them. Lewis was the lone playmaker last year but the injury seems to have robbed him of that ability. Either that or there are so many other options for other teams to pick on he doesn't get many chances. I believe Diggs will become a playmaker in years to come but no one should be surprised he is getting an education as a rookie. Pretty much every rookie corner not named Charles Woodson has had the same experience. Hill was starting to look pretty promising at DT before he went down. Not take over a game dominant but trending in the right direction. A rotation of him, Woods, Gallimore and McCoy next year might not be too bad. Gallimore looks like a carbon copy of Hill from last year.. Lots of energy, no idea where he's supposed to be. Needs an offseason in the weight room and the film room. Crawford is as we feared.. a guy coming off double hip surgery who is closer to needing a walker than he is to being a viable NFL DT.

It will be interesting to see how Gregory impacts the dynamics of the pass rush. He is the only legit off the edge burner on the roster. If he plays up to his capability and Smith can have a second wind the pass rush might yet be what we want it to be. I know people are dumping on Lawrence for the Monday night game but he isn't fast enough to catch Kyler Murray.. Neither is Aldon Smith, nor is Armstrong or Griffen.. in reality no defensive lineman in the league is so constructing a defensive game plan that counted on that was just stoopid. But that's the elephant in the room isn't it? Maybe our defensive coaching staff is just stupid.

Lets stop here. First of all, I've watched you post. You can't explain it. You aren't capable. If you were, you would have already answered the question. What difference does it make if you can't win games. So no, lets don't pretend that you can explain anything to me, you can't.

If you don't agree, don't want to, can't admit to, whatever the case, that's fine. I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this. You either get it or you don't. You don't, enough said.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I was not only told Dalton was good, but that Dalton was an upgrade over Dak

Dak hobbling around on just one leg could put more than 10 on the board.

Facts

 

[jnday]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Dallas could have won every game they’ve been in with Dak.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!

You’re that moron who doesn’t know what unwinnable means!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You can laugh all you want, but the losing started last year due to the slow offensive starts and the won/loss supports my opinion. You are delusional to ignore that. These blowouts are undeniable. Keep making a fool out of yourself by sugar-costing the situation.

 

[jnday]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

This is what is precious about you Dak hating morons.

You go all the way back to 2017 to bring up a poor Dak performance and ignore the five ******* performances, four of which were epic, he had prior to last night THIS SEASON ALONE which HE PLAYED WITH THE SAME PATCHWORK LINE Dalton looked terrified with!!

You people look so stupid lmao

I hope you know that ignorance caused by your Dak fandom is no excuse for not understanding how these games are being lost but you have Dak’s stats that don’t reflect wins in the field. That is all that matters for some of you.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

You can laugh all you want, but the losing started last year due to the slow offensive starts and the won/loss supports my opinion. You are delusional to ignore that. These blowouts are undeniable. Keep making a fool out of yourself by sugar-costing the situation.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!

You think we lost the ATL game!!

That means you think 39 > 40!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!