Too many holes on OL and Defense to pay Dak

[starfan1]

only way I’m retooling/investing in the OL is if Zeke is a casualty. We don’t need 4 or 5 pro bowlers with Dak and the skill players we have

I agree we don’t need pro bowlers like we have but if you want to keep your QB upright then LT is a necessity . Tyron is done basically there has been signs Jerry just refuses to see them

I’d love for zeke to walk but the cap hit is too large

 

[cityochamps]

No, JJ will continue with the flawed idea that we're close to competing.

We arent going to win in the next 3 years unless Dak takes a 4+ year contract and gets paid less than he did for the first two years.

Ever heard of Dead Cap???, We arent getting rid of anyone until 2022 and even then we wont be saving much.

The problem with people like you is that you dont watch anything other than QB stats....nothing else matters and you have no idea of what to do with the team.

WOw dude, less cafine maybe?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, but that's not changing....well not until 2022/23, there's just too much Dead Cap money involved.

As I say JJ's MO is to give those long contracts, but has to give guaranteed money at the latter end to offset paying players now....in effect he's kicking the can.

It's not so bad if everyone agrees to this, but Dak wanting 4 years (inc 2020) meant JJ was handcuffed in what he could pay, hence he needs Dak to accept a longer contract.

It also had to do with 2024, when the TV contracts get renegotiated and expected for the cap to go up by 20%.....wentz, goff, wilson all signed contracts that end before then, so they can renegotiate at that time, when salaries expected to jump significantly...... JJ wanted the fifth year to avoid that negotiation. that's why it fell apart.

regardless, it doesn't change one fact....all large contracts JJ signed outside of Martin are bad contracts and we are not seeing returns......

its not a cap issue. its a personnel management issue.

 

[mardwin]

We have too many holes..let's get rid of our best player who plays the most important position in all of sports


Brilliant

Or keep him and be very bad for the next several years without the ability to pay top talent because we have 4 players making $0.5B.

 

[JBS]

Or keep him and be very bad for the next several years without the ability to pay top talent because we have 4 players making $0.5B.

Yeah bc there is a lot of evidence that the team is really bad w dak at the helm

 

[tm1119]

Or keep him and be very bad for the next several years without the ability to pay top talent because we have 4 players making $0.5B.

Forget making the Cowboys into “America’s Team”, Jerry’s biggest accomplishment might be convincing the fan base to afraid of the “Big Bad Cap Monster.”

The NFL’s salary cap is so soft and easily manipulated that it barely exists. Please go look at teams like the Chiefs and Rams and explain to me what magic voodoo they are able to do their roster/cap that the cowboys aren’t.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

Bears, Vikings, Jags, Patriots, "The Football Team!", immediately leap to mind.. Any of those teams have QBs playing at significantly below the level Dak was playing at.. Frankly that goes for most teams but a lot of teams have QB contracts they can't move on from yet. I don't know how much the Colts gave Rivers but I guarantee you that if his contract is dumpable they would do it and bring Dak onboard in a heartbeat.

I must have my threads mixed up, I was referring to Cooper not being trade able.

 

[CowboyoWales]

It also had to do with 2024, when the TV contracts get renegotiated and expected for the cap to go up by 20%.....wentz, goff, wilson all signed contracts that end before then, so they can renegotiate at that time, when salaries expected to jump significantly...... JJ wanted the fifth year to avoid that negotiation. that's why it fell apart.

regardless, it doesn't change one fact....all large contracts JJ signed outside of Martin are bad contracts and we are not seeing returns......

its not a cap issue. its a personnel management issue.

S.U.M.O. it buddy.

1) Those contracts are in the book, end of, they aint coming back.
2) The Jones' own the team and unfortunately they like shiny things... the only thing that counts on his defense is the ability to run around.
3) You should be thankful as it appears you want Dak regardless of how it effects the team.....Jerry will eventually give in and you'll be complaining in a year or two's time that we still have those contracts and cant build.
4) Jerry wanted the 5th year as he needs flexibility to spread the CAP spending away from 2020/21/22

Tell me what you'd pay Dak.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Forget making the Cowboys into “America’s Team”, Jerry’s biggest accomplishment might be convincing the fan base to afraid of the “Big Bad Cap Monster.”

The NFL’s salary cap is so soft and easily manipulated that it barely exists. Please go look at teams like the Chiefs and Rams and explain to me what magic voodoo they are able to do their roster/cap that the cowboys aren’t.

The reasons are:

1) We have the top paid 3 O-LINE for the next 2 years.
2) We have the most expensive RB for the next 2 years
3) We will have the most expensive QB and 2 WR's for the nest 2 two years.


His biggest accomplishment was getting players to take long contracts which he'll pay tomorrow, as tomorrow never comes....thats why no NFCC games in 25 years.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

S.U.M.O. it buddy.

1) Those contracts are in the book, end of, they aint coming back.
2) The Jones' own the team and unfortunately they like shiny things... the only thing that counts on his defense is the ability to run around.
3) You should be thankful as it appears you want Dak regardless of how it effects the team.....Jerry will eventually give in and you'll be complaining in a year or two's time that we still have those contracts and cant build.
4) Jerry wanted the 5th year as he needs flexibility to spread the CAP spending away from 2020/21/22

Tell me what you'd pay Dak.

market rate for QBs, similar to wentz, goff, wilson...that's the market rate.

I will not be complaining about Dak's contract. without a QB you have almost no chance, unless you build a team like the ravens with an all time type defense and we know that's ain't happening.

there are no other QB options.

we know there is money to sign players. that's never been the issue.

we know jerry will screw it up anyway...

 

[CowboyoWales]

market rate for QBs, similar to wentz, goff, wilson...that's the market rate.

I will not be complaining about Dak's contract. without a QB you have almost no chance, unless you build a team like the ravens with an all time type defense and we know that's ain't happening.

there are no other QB options.

we know there is money to sign players. that's never been the issue.

we know jerry will screw it up anyway...

Stop copping out, give a figure and years.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes - because it’s so easy to just find another top 10 QB. Does anyone not remember the post-Aikman days? *shudders*

Dak needs an optimal environment for the team to get results.

Well there is a lot of QB's out there who can get results if everything is perfect.

For 40 million dollars a year you need to elevate the team and show a little more than 1 playoff win in that period.

Or pay him and continue The Process 2.0.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Stop copping out, give a figure and years.

its not copping out.....why do you think its a cop out....this year the figure was 31M based on franchise tag value. it didn't stop us from having 7 of the top player contracts in their position on the team..... SEVEN......

next year its 38M if we decide to tag him again, and I figure the average value (not year to year) would be around 35-40.

however, what I have yet to hear from anyone is. if not Dak then who? there has to be a viable verifiable answer to that, else we have nothing and just flailing at the most important position on the team. or are you suggesting we go with Dalton?

 

[CowboyoWales]

its not copping out.....why do you think its a cop out....this year the figure was 31M based on franchise tag value. it didn't stop us from having 7 of the top player contracts in their position on the team..... SEVEN......

next year its 38M if we decide to tag him again, and I figure the average value (not year to year) would be around 35-40.

however, what I have yet to hear from anyone is. if not Dak then who? there has to be a viable verifiable answer to that, else we have nothing and just flailing at the most important position on the team. or are you suggesting we go with Dalton?

How many years?

Stop trying to change the subject by mentioning Dalton.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Well it's certainly not Dak. Getting to a NFCC game is out of our reach atm and we wont get there if Dak sticks to wanting to be a fa in 2024.

I love your 'i dont understand it, so i'll pretend it isnt there', it's very similar to JJ over the years.

look again, you act like "just draft another one" is what everyone does..its not, if you have a good QB then you build a team around him and manage your cap to keep a good QB....obviously me and JJ are not thinking alike I would've signed Dak 2 years ago...not set the market on an RB 2 years early......now your just being silly...but again i'm sure your one of those "any QB could be good in this offense" well here we are and NO THEY ARE NOT! face it we have a top 5 QB you don't have to like him but saying he is not is just not a fact....

 

[gjkoeppen]

there’s not a lot of holes on offense. The line is injured. I don’t know that Tyron will return to form, but even without, having zack and lael is a big boost.
The defense is what needs fixing, and between high draft picks and free agency that can be fortified

You're another one that thinks even with the starters all back that this line is good and one of the best and it's no longer that line. Martin and Collins are good, Smith is injury prone now and not the LT he once was, LG is another need and center with Biadasz the jury ism still out. Then all the holes on defense that need to be filled and the draft and a smaller cap that will prevent the free agent signings you think there will be. There just isn't enough to fix this team in a single draft so adding also a QB to the mix is just doing that adding to the needs that have to be taken care of.
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[Proof]

You're another one that thinks even with the starters all back that this line is good and one of the best and it's no longer that line. Martin and Collins are good, Smith is injury prone now and not the LT he once was, LG is another need and center with Biadasz the jury ism still out. Then all the holes on defense that need to be filled and the draft and a smaller cap that will prevent the free agent signings you think there will be. There just isn't enough to fix this team in a single draft so adding also a QB to the mix is just doing that adding to the needs that have to be taken care of.
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uhh what? I said nothing of the sort. They’re clearly not the same unit. But our skill positions are far far better, so having the same line shouldn’t be a priority. Defense should.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many years?

Stop trying to change the subject by mentioning Dalton.

3-5 depending on the deal, taking into account 2024

not sure what you are trying to prove with this meaninless responses...

you know where I stand.

I don't think giving a large contract to Dak is going to preclude us signing other high priced players (that is if they will actually produce).

you are trying to spin your way into something totally irrelevant....while trying to figure out how to spin this into some other meaningless discussion.

what's your point? or you could simply say I don't have any

 

[CowboyoWales]

3-5 depending on the deal, taking into account 2024

not sure what you are trying to prove with this meaninless responses...

you know where I stand.

I don't think giving a large contract to Dak is going to preclude us signing other high priced players (that is if they will actually produce).

you are trying to spin your way into something totally irrelevant....while trying to figure out how to spin this into some other meaningless discussion.

what's your point? or you could simply say I don't have any

Im getting at what you actually think we can afford, because I dont think you appreciate the CAP issues in 2021 and 2022. You still maintain the thought we can afford a 3 year deal.

So how much money would you pay in a 3 year deal?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Yes - because it’s so easy to just find another top 10 QB. Does anyone not remember the post-Aikman days? *shudders*

We got him with the #1 pick in the draft. We may very well have that this year.