Diggs v Byron

quickccc

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The Dolphins are playing really good defense when Byron hasn’t been injured this year.

Dallas? We suck.

Interesting enuff .. heard Stephen Jones on the 105.3 Fan, said that he would much rather have a player who can make a play on the ball, and
hope he can eventually be a player that rarely gives up the big play than a player who never makes a player on the ball..

That seems to be how he feels about Diggs vs Byron Jones, ..and that to me, seems to seal why they moved on from Byron Jones.
 

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hes being covered up im saying WE didnt sign him for good reason and hes missed what 3-4 games with MIA this year and his stat line is sad..

Fans cry about JS who is top 5 in tackles but doesnt play all world for his contract size, BJ would be the exact type player and the DC FO were smart to let him walk..

the MIA defense was already good they got on roll end of last season when everyone thought they were tankig..BJ is NOT why they are good,,hes solid player no doubt hes not great nor elite..his deal is elite money for just good layer.we have far too many of those weighing down the cap..

what stat line ,,,, ? :huh:
 

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This is exactly what you get from Diggs

Jones - lockdown corner, no picks but gives up no touchdowns

Diggs - gives up big plays but also makes big plays
I believe Diggs has the ability to do both. Lockdown and interceptions. He is a raw kid.
 

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what stat line ,,,, ? :huh:
LOL exactly dudes like ghost sometimes..i get why he being missed in year like this when we need DB help but i doubt he would have made any difference, he was solid player who was overpaid to leave..you dont pay that kind of money to just a very good player..
 

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Actually they are Not playing in a different defense when it comes to the secondary tasks and coverage scheme.

- Kris Richard wanted and implemented a jam press man coverage scheme when it comes to the CBs,..and Al Harris is emphasizing
the same press coverage manner.

- i would disagree Diggs will be infinitely better. You'd like a CB that not only gets INTs.. but also can isolate and lock down the better WRs without the
fear of getting dusted on these long vertical fly routes. He doesn't have to be schemed and protected.
But take like ex-Bucs Ronde Barber who excelled at zone and Cover 2 scheme with a off line cushion but not the kind that can go hip to hip with fly WRs.

- While Jones won't ever play to be in position to make INTs and turnovers, he flat had the physical makeup, style and pure athleticism to run toe to toe
with most speedsters in a long distance go fly routes - that's not Diggs game. So coaches need to adapt to his game, not force Trevon to adapt to their scheme

The better coaches do that ...the lesser coaches do not.
Ala ex-DB coach Joe Baker having Jones at FS,.. before Richard switched him to a man coverage CB.

o_O
If you’d like. CB that gets picks and isolates and lock down better receivers than not sure why you would be big on the Byron train.
He is athletic for sure but picks as we know we’re not his fortay and as a cowboy I don’t remember him being on teams best wr. I think he stayed on his side of the field and at times struggled early on

it’s expected as a rookie in the secondary. I believe Diggs will be better how much better we’ll see. I will take the occasional blown assignment for increased turnovers. Something the cowboys have been missing for years

regardless my argument is more that I think he wasn’t worth the money he was paid and the other part of my thought process was if the cowboys were hell bent on overpaying people I would have chose Byron over Zeke and Jaylon . I also would have sent Crawford to the trash heap .

Lawrence while a better argument can be made as to whether or not he was worth paying is still overpaid and underachieving.
 
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It’s proof that interceptions are the most overrated thing in football. This kid isn’t 10% as good as Byron & if he keeps giving up big plays he’ll be out of the league in 2 years.
Huh? Do you remember Byron’s rookie season, he was horrible. Why do you think he moved to safety. Comparing their rookie seasons, Diggs is light years ahead of Byron. If you pay attention to the games Diggs is covering every teams number 1 receiver. Byron was getting burned by 3rd receivers in 2015.

The only way Diggs will be out of the league in two years is injury or drugs. I think you have the drug part covered with your post.
 

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Not every one ..every player has the same make up. and skill set .
Some guys play faster on the playing field than their suggested 40 time ..

some guys are just not fast period but they compensate and make up for it in other areas.
Ala ex- Bucs Ronder Barber or our own Everson Walls.

Some guys are meant for bump run press coverage and some just play better off the line with a cushion between them and WRs.

We dunno yet what kinda player will eventually be once he is up to par in techniques, and better knowing and playing and competing against
NFL WRs in a competitive game.

i already don't like rookie Diggs constantly be placed on an island so much vs these WRs on constant basis .. without zero safety
help over the top, .never the freaking safety help !! .. :mad:

Opposing NFL teams are very well on to this - and taking plenty well advantage of the rookie.
.but who knows what these damn DB coaches and DC is trying to do. :facepalm:
Lol safety help? With the trash we have at safety ? And learning a new defense to boot? I needed a good laugh this morning quick thanks!
 

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The Dolphins are playing really good defense when Byron hasn’t been injured this year.

Dallas? We suck.
We will see about Byron this weekend when he goes up against Kyler Murray and Hopkins.
 

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We will see about Byron this weekend when he goes up against Kyler Murray and Hopkins.

Byron will be fine. He has an entire career to be judged on.

He’s a much better athlete than the majority of guys he plays against and he is smart too.
 

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Byron will be fine. He has an entire career to be judged on.

He’s a much better athlete than the majority of guys he plays against and he is smart too.
Did you Watch Zach Wilson last night? What do you think?
 

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Did you Watch Zach Wilson last night? What do you think?

I’ve watched some I’m waiting for his full highlights to come out of that game.

I’ve been watching him btw but don’t have a strong opinion yet. Just gives me Drew Lock vibes sometimes and Aaron Rodgers vibes the next.
 
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Huh? Do you remember Byron’s rookie season, he was horrible. Why do you think he moved to safety. Comparing their rookie seasons, Diggs is light years ahead of Byron. If you pay attention to the games Diggs is covering every teams number 1 receiver. Byron was getting burned by 3rd receivers in 2015.

The only way Diggs will be out of the league in two years is injury or drugs. I think you have the drug part covered with your post.

Wow some bold & aggressive statements there pal, the first year Byron was moved to his natural position (CB) he instantly became a shut down corner, so obviously the coaching staff had him playing the wrong position his first 2 years. I wouldn’t say Diggs is covering the #1 WR - he might be standing in front of them but he isn’t covering jack crap. He’s getting torched A LOT. He makes plays here and there but people are exaggerating how ‘well’ he’s been playing.
 

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I’ve watched some I’m waiting for his full highlights to come out of that game.

I’ve been watching him btw but don’t have a strong opinion yet. Just gives me Drew Lock vibes sometimes and Aaron Rodgers vibes the next.
I gotta give you credit because you have been saying it for a couple of years about paying Dak. I am a Dak fan but you make a good point about giving him more money then Rodgers and Russ. That would not be smart for our franchise. If the Cowboys are fortunate enough to draft in the top 5 they need to consider these quarterbacks.
 

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Wow some bold & aggressive statements there pal, the first year Byron was moved to his natural position (CB) he instantly became a shut down corner, so obviously the coaching staff had him playing the wrong position his first 2 years. I wouldn’t say Diggs is covering the #1 WR - he might be standing in front of them but he isn’t covering jack crap. He’s getting torched A LOT. He makes plays here and there but people are exaggerating how ‘well’ he’s been playing.
We totally were watching a different Byron. I remember Cowboys break and talking Cowboys was openly saying the team should cut Byron after year three. Eyebrows were raised when the Cowboys picked up his 5th year option. Byron had a great year 2018 but so did LVE and Jaylon. Don’t get me wrong Byron is good player and I happy he got paid. But let’s not act like if he was on the team now we would be better then 2-6.
 

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hes being covered up im saying WE didnt sign him for good reason and hes missed what 3-4 games with MIA this year and his stat line is sad..Fans cry about JS who is top 5 in tackles but doesnt play all world for his contract size, BJ would be the exact type player and the DC FO were smart to let him walk..

the MIA defense was already good they got on roll end of last season when everyone thought they were tankig..BJ is NOT why they are good,,hes solid player no doubt hes not great nor elite..his deal is elite money for just good layer.we have far too many of those weighing down the cap..

B. Jones has missed three games and played in five.

In the five games he had played his advanced coverage numbers are better than his two previous years in Dallas.

He’s only allowing 50% comp. percentage, 9.4 yards/comp., QBs have only a 63.2 QB rating against, and he hasn’t allowed a TD against him.

Again, if you’re bringing up tackle totals to defend Jaylon I can see why none of Byron’s don’t impress you.
 

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We totally were watching a different Byron. I remember Cowboys break and talking Cowboys was openly saying the team should cut Byron after year three.

Eyebrows were raised when the Cowboys picked up his 5th year option
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Byron had a great year 2018 but so did LVE and Jaylon. Don’t get me wrong Byron is good player and I happy he got paid. But let’s not act like if he was on the team now we would be better then 2-6.

Because that;s when he was still at safety ..the coaches still had him at safety ....and he was not a good safety at that.

That's was when before he was moved from safety to CB
Jones emergence clearly came when Kris Richard immediately moved him to CB..and had him playing in a exclusively a man press coverage scheme.
 

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Having Diggs and Jones as our starting corners would have been great...some of you are worse GMs than Jones...

Jones was not resigned so they could use his money to bring in a bunch of washed-up free agents...

A ball-hawking corner on one side combined with a shutdown corner on the other...it would have been "pick your poison".
 

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B. Jones has missed three games and played in five.

In the five games he had played his advanced coverage numbers are better than his two previous years in Dallas.

He’s only allowing 50% comp. percentage, 9.4 yards/comp., QBs have only a 63.2 QB rating against, and he hasn’t allowed a TD against him.

Again, if you’re bringing up tackle totals to defend Jaylon I can see why none of Byron’s don’t impress you.
neither deserved the money they got..you happy..

last time,
IT WAS THE RIGHT MOVE LETTIG HIM GO AT THAT COST..HES NOT SPECIAL IN ANY WAY.. HES BRANDON CARR WHO GOT PAID FAR TOO MUCH AND FANS GRIPED ABOUT IT..

he wasn't worth keeping....
 

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Because that;s when he was still at safety ..the coaches still had him at safety ....and he was not a good safety at that.

That's was when before he was moved from safety to CB
Jones emergence clearly came when Kris Richard immediately moved him to CB..and had him playing in a exclusively a man press coverage scheme.
You just made my point. Don’t judge these guys with a small sample size. I bet Diggs if he remains healthy will make more money then Byron when his contract is up.
 
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