Marcellus Wiley off his meds

[ChuckA1]

Not around here. There are many fans who don't want to spend any of Jerry's, complaining about every contract unless it's a bargain deal that usually comes at a price as far as what kind of player you're getting.

Geez, that's not what many of us are worried about. All or most of the cap money will be spent, so this has nothing to do with not spending Jerry's money. This is about bettering the whole team to be competitive. Dak needs better players to win, even playing great ball. We saw this early this season. I just don't see how paying any one player 20-25% of the cap will make us more competitive. That's why I hope Dak will give the Cowboys a team friendly deal.

 

[GORICO]

in a season of irrelevance, put a microphone in front of any sports jock and he/she will say anything to come across as relevant.

yep it seems its all about "click bait"

 

[DandyDon1722]

Didn't your mama teach you that "you get what you pay for?" Getting a cheaper QB does not usually work out to a better QB. Look at the first round pick QBs taken since Dak came into the league.. Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Burrow, Herbert, Murray, Mayfield, Tagovailoa.. The only one definitively better than Dak is Mahomes.. but he plays for one of the two or three smartest offensive minds in the game. Watson is about equal.. Goff and Wentz both have their teams suffering buyer's remorse, Trubisky will probably be cut at the end of this year. Mayfield is told to hand the ball off and get the hell out of the way. Lynch and Rosen are out of football I believe and Darnold may join them soon. Obviously the jury is out on the rooks this year and Murray. So in the past 5 drafts there has been 13? first round QBs taken and 2 of them are on Dak's level or better. So less than a one in six chance. And oh yeah.. the front office we are repeatedly reminded is clueless is going to magically become geniuses if they move on from Dak? Talk about stretching..

I don't think the jury is out on Murray at all. For me he's must see TV. He's an absolute duel threat, throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the league and is as electric as Michael Vick was in his prime.

He needs help on the offensive line but he's only gonna get better. I'd love to have Kyler Murray as the QB of the Cowboys.

 

[RonnieT24]

I don't think the jury is out on Murray at all. For me he's must see TV. He's an absolute duel threat, throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the league and is as electric as Michael Vick was in his prime.

He needs help on the offensive line but he's only gonna get better. I'd love to have Kyler Murray as the QB of the Cowboys.

Yeah Murray is fun to watch.. but my main point was really examining the first round QBs in terms of plus or minus from where Dak is. Murray's fun.. but I'd still rank him a notch or two below Dak at this point. But I agree, he's loads of fun and bears watching going forward.

 

[kskboys]

I don't think the jury is out on Murray at all. For me he's must see TV. He's an absolute duel threat, throws one of the prettiest deep balls in the league and is as electric as Michael Vick was in his prime.

He needs help on the offensive line but he's only gonna get better. I'd love to have Kyler Murray as the QB of the Cowboys.

Murray is the best .500 QB in the NFL!!!!

 

[kskboys]

Geez, that's not what many of us are worried about. All or most of the cap money will be spent, so this has nothing to do with not spending Jerry's money. This is about bettering the whole team to be competitive. Dak needs better players to win, even playing great ball. We saw this early this season. I just don't see how paying any one player 20-25% of the cap will make us more competitive. That's why I hope Dak will give the Cowboys a team friendly deal.

I've told 'em many many times. Can't understand what you don't want to understand.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It's rare to find an ex-player who will say someone doesn't deserve to get paid. I don't know if i've ever seen or heard that.

I agree generally, but I remember Terry Bradshaw saying Dez *shouldn't* get paid when the discussions of cutting him came up. First said maybe Dez was worth 3mil, then upped it to 5mil.

The league seemed to have agreed, and worse.

Of course, this was more of a "continue to get paid", which is not quite the same thing, and people do say "no" fairly often.

 

[black label]

we pick dooshes on meds all day whats wrong with that man

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yeah except we are overpaying Lawrence, Jaylen Smith, Tyrone Crawford among others on defense......you're overpaying that whole defense based on how they've played.....

Its funny though... we are overpaying the offense but you want to use our 1st rounder not on defense....no....on OFFENSE of all things lol.

Lawrence is the only top 5 contract per position and that only starts next season...atm he's not overspent at all. He also plays with an effort of a team leader.

Who said i'd spend our first round pick on offense....NOT ME.

What I say is focus on the D-Line and sure up the O-line so that we can rotate the injured warriors.

To me having ,or not having, Dak isnt the primary concern....we arent a QB away from a NFCC game let alone winning a SB.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Perhaps not.. but if I have one of those guys I am not walking away from him for the "maybe" the front office will pick the right guys on defense as well as to find a QB to play at a level that gives us a chance to capitalize on all the other transcendent talent that is going to magically show up the minute we get rid of Dak.

Spurious argument then as you're complaining about the ability to construct a roster ....which is the issue with or without Dak.

Therefore the concern remains that regardless of the QB position we arent going to compete in the near future (with or without Dak). Hence the query, why spend in the region of $40m on a QB that we cant protect and wont take us deep in the play-off, due to the banged up talent around him and the lack of resources on the defense.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Spurious argument then as you're complaining about the ability to construct a roster ....which is the issue with or without Dak.

Therefore the concern remains that regardless of the QB position we arent going to compete in the near future (with or without Dak). Hence the query, why spend in the region of $40m on a QB that we cant protect and wont take us deep in the play-off, due to the banged up talent around him and the lack of resources on the defense.

lol. Go watch another team.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Geez, that's not what many of us are worried about. All or most of the cap money will be spent, so this has nothing to do with not spending Jerry's money. This is about bettering the whole team to be competitive. Dak needs better players to win, even playing great ball. We saw this early this season. I just don't see how paying any one player 20-25% of the cap will make us more competitive. That's why I hope Dak will give the Cowboys a team friendly deal.

A healthy Dak + Draft all defense.

 

[CowboyoWales]

No, I don’t understand you. My argument is Dak is a good quarterback. You don’t pay 35+ for a good quarterback. Especially when the Cowboys are a bad team. If you get a top 5 pick you draft a quarterback and begin the rebuild. Makes no sense. Especially when you see the Atlanta Falcons who paid a fortune for a good not great quarterback. They seem to be be always 6-10 or 8-8.

Ive a pretty similar take. I like Dak, a good QB. However, we are a team that's offense heavy and wont be able to compete deep in the playoffs without an overhaul of the defense (and much improved back-up of the O-Line).

This overhaul wont be done in 1 or 2 years and wont be done purely through the draft.

The drafting of a QB will come down to who MM likes and the direction we wish to take. We arent going to get Lawrence or Fields without giving up too much to trade up, HOWEVER, is there another QB: Lance or even Wilson that we'd trade down to get?

Whichever route we take we arent going to be challenging in the next 3 years, until we can rid ourselves of the top heavy burdensome contracts (Zak, Coops, Smith x2, Lawrence)....

We can bemoan the financial position of the team, but that's how Jerry has done it for the last 10 years....however the Reaper is here and waiting to be paid. The continued restructuring of contracts is great when those players are healthy and still performing, but now when those players are dropping off or begin to hit injuries as they get older - we get the triple whammy of: high CAP allocation, injury lay-off and inferior/awful back-ups.

 

[CowboyoWales]

lol. Go watch another team.

lol. Nothing wrong with looking at the practicalities. Whichever route we take we arent going to be challenging in the near future.

A fan actually acknowledges the faults rather than pretend everything's ok.

 

[CowboyoWales]

A healthy Dak + Draft all defense.

and O-Line back-up. How many drafts are you looking at? Hopefully we'll have enough CAP money left to pick up another: Poe, Griffin, Clinton-Dix, Worley and that next years cheap/but injured signing works out better than McCoy.

 

[CowboyinMD]

The reason why this is even a debate is because Dallas will potentially have a top 5 draft pick. Whenever you're drafting that high, you have a better shot if landing a franchise QB. And a QB of equal or better ability of Dak, on a team friendly "prove it kid" rookie 4-year deal, is worth it's weight in gold, because that capital saved by not signing Dak would allow the team more flexibility to sign other key FAs to help compliment the draft in fixing the other needs (especially on defense).

Now, on the flip side, especially if they win another game or 2 and end up drafting between 6-10 instead of top 5, I could also see them remain "all in" on Dak and use that pick on a franchise LT or on D. I honestly think it's a matter of where they are drafting. Win a few more games and I think Dak is more likely to come back; as of now I would already put the odds greater than 50% that he gets tagged.

Keep in mind that Dak was such a value pick in the 2016 draft. I would argue his numbers are better than Wentz or Goff.

But Dak at 37-40 mil/year vs. a guy like Justin Fields or especially Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract? That's a tough predicament, especially for a team with so many holes to fill. Although I don't see Dallas being able to sniff Lawrence unless they overpay in trading up, and the draft gurus like Jimmy Johnson would argue that would be a bad move for a team with so many holes to fill.

I think a huge question needs to be asked: even with Dak, Dallas is a bad team, at least on defense. How long would it take to fix that defense, i.e. how many of Dak's prime years of what would be $35-40 mil a pop would be wasted in the rebuilding process? If it's going to take a few years or more, you might as well go into full rebuild mode with a 21-22 year old QB than 28.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lawrence is the only top 5 contract per position and that only starts next season...atm he's not overspent at all. He also plays with an effort of a team leader.

Who said i'd spend our first round pick on offense....NOT ME.

What I say is focus on the D-Line and sure up the O-line so that we can rotate the injured warriors.

To me having ,or not having, Dak isnt the primary concern....we arent a QB away from a NFCC game let alone winning a SB.

So how do you get Lawrence? You want to draft him in the second round?

 

[Bullflop]

It really seems odd to me that Wiley would be one to actually say when a player deserves to be paid.

If, ever, there was a player to be undeserving by failing to earn his wages, it was Marcellus Wiley.

 

[baltcowboy]

Ive a pretty similar take. I like Dak, a good QB. However, we are a team that's offense heavy and wont be able to compete deep in the playoffs without an overhaul of the defense (and much improved back-up of the O-Line).

This overhaul wont be done in 1 or 2 years and wont be done purely through the draft.

The drafting of a QB will come down to who MM likes and the direction we wish to take. We arent going to get Lawrence or Fields without giving up too much to trade up, HOWEVER, is there another QB: Lance or even Wilson that we'd trade down to get?

Whichever route we take we arent going to be challenging in the next 3 years, until we can rid ourselves of the top heavy burdensome contracts (Zak, Coops, Smith x2, Lawrence)....

We can bemoan the financial position of the team, but that's how Jerry has done it for the last 10 years....however the Reaper is here and waiting to be paid. The continued restructuring of contracts is great when those players are healthy and still performing, but now when those players are dropping off or begin to hit injuries as they get older - we get the triple whammy of: high CAP allocation, injury lay-off and inferior/awful back-ups.

I agree with your take except the MM part. The Joneses are making the decision when it comes to the quarterback. The coach has no say in the matter. The only way I see the Cowboys moving on from Dak is his agent asks for more money then Watson. I think the agent will by the way but Dak will take the discount to stay a Cowboy.

 

[McKDaddy]

Yeah Murray is fun to watch.. but my main point was really examining the first round QBs in terms of plus or minus from where Dak is. Murray's fun.. but I'd still rank him a notch or two below Dak at this point. But I agree, he's loads of fun and bears watching going forward.

its a fifth year player versus a 2nd year player so yeah there are areas where Dak is further along. but for upside and cost, Murray wins by a mile. his kind of true duel threat could actually have some success on a team like the 2020 Cowboys.