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The Fonz

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Lord let’s hope not. Jeff George had a cannon of an arm, but was a selfish player who played on 5 teams, literally never played a full season in 12 years, and his teams only made the playoffs 3 of those 11 years. His reg season record as a starter was 46-78. No thanks.
I know in term of his personality i was talking about in term of his playing abilities
 

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Agree that he was a hit, good pick and highly rated. In fact, he was rated the #1 WR by many but still got passed on by other teams and some more in need of that position, why didn't they take him?

I'll answer that. Because they were out to help their team, not themselves to a splash pick. Being on the water wasn't enough for him, he wanted to feed his egotistical and narcissistic need for attention.

Here's my point. They have to start on the D and was Chaisson worth that pick? Not this year but was he an upgrade and could he help the team defense? And he had his best game of the season on Sunday and might just be a late developer. I would have rather seen them trade out of it to get more 2nd day ammo even if it meant PHL got Lamb. Posters seemed to be happier that they kept them from getting Lamb.

And here's my problem. The single most abundant position in the draft every year is WR and there was another better than Lamb that went behind him. They had a 20M #1 and a good 2nd coming up soon.

The worst team against the run in the league, I'll leave it at that.
I'm cool with that. You make some good points. I think we have different philosophies regarding the draft, and that's OK.

I agree about the depth of the WR position as a whole. It has pretty much become newer version of the RB. If you are going to take one round 1 it needs to be a pretty special talent. Looking at last years class you could easily argue that the 2nd round WRs are superior to the 1st round WRs.

Where i disagree is that I believe you take the highest ranked player on your board, as long as you can get them on the field. For that reason i'm fine with Lamb despite defense being the bigger need. The majority of the time a player wont hit their peak until year 3 or so, so i dont believe in drafting for immediate need, with some exceptions. Certainly if you have two players with similar grades take the one that makes your team better.

We can continue to focus solely on defense in regards to the draft, but we may just end up with the exact opposite issue that we have now. We have an aging oline, possibly losing Gallup or Coop after next year, Zeke already has a ton of wear and tear, i'm assuming we resign Dak, but that is still up in the air, and we are pretty average at the TE position. i'm fine going heavy on defense, but to completely ignore the offense right now I believe would be short sighted.

Honestly i wouldn't hate to see something similar this year to what they did last year. If an impact offensive player is there round 1 go for it. Then if we end up grabbign defensive guys round 2,3,4 that would be a win win in my book. between those three defensive picks + Gallimore, Diggs, etc. in year 2 we have to see some improvement along the defense....and if not then we have way bigger issues than who we are taking in the first round.
 

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For every QB coming out in this draft to shine. Lawrence and Fields are probably givens at the top 2 picks but the more QB's like Trask, Wilson, Jones and Lance look good they entice teams to move up and take QB's off the board and move what this team needs down the board and within reach.

Six QB's are thought to be 1st rounders in this draft and where they fall is critical to the Cowboys, now in 5th but with 4 other 4-9 teams so they could actually win their way out of the top 10.

That might not affect some teams but this team needs their 1st rounder to start from day 1. And he needs to be a necessity pick, not a luxury pick like this last draft.
great thread, coach. very thought provoking. i can see every side to the equation. the only one missing that affects any position is coaching. raiders gave up 200+ yards rushing to colts yesterday and chucky fires his dc. we give up 200+ yards several times and mac continues to support his choice for dc.
 

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I can forgive them for Lamb, but it's not this one draft that's the problem. We keep doing it, leading to severe weaknesses that show up in games such as the Rams playoff games w/ their 200+ yds rushing against us. That game clearly showed a terrible drafting strategy. I've heard all the talk about our scheme being bad in that game and I'm sure it's true. However, the point remains that if we have, say, Brockers and Jarron Reed in the middle, that rushing game against us doesn't happen.
we need a dc who can coach the defense. we haven't had one during 10 years of garrett and it still looks like we're lacking with nolan.
 

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Correct.

Your third WR is a starter. It's not like there was a difference-making defensive player available.

I don't understand why fans just want to use the draft to fill holes. It's an endless cycle of "let this guy go, replace him with a draft pick." If you don't use the draft to build positions of strength, you'll never get better.

Not to mention that we had just lost Randall Cobb to the Texans.
 

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and the great cole beasley before cobb.
Neither of which were 1st round talent.

We could have easily replaced in later rounds not to mention those we already had on roster coming back from injury.
 

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it doesn’t matter. That’s would just provide you someone to critique.

We aren’t criticizing Lambs talent , etc. But the priorities we had.
when there are multiple priorities you have to take the best one. lambo, imo, was the best.
 

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I would have taken the best D pick, probably Chaisson, or traded down for more picks.
There were several CB and LB taken in our proximity .

We let our best CB walk and a starting safety yet we placed more priority on our 3rd and slot receiver we let go.
 

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Lamb fell into our lap. There wasn't a defender that could have contributed as much at or after we picked.
 

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when there are multiple priorities you have to take the best one. lambo, imo, was the best.
Slot and 3rd receiver was a need not a priority IMO.

Nobody’s denying Lambs talent . It was a safe feel good pick that didn’t address our greater weaknesses.
 

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Neither of which were 1st round talent.

We could have easily replaced in later rounds not to mention those we already had on roster coming back from injury.
cole's looking like a first round talent in buffalo.
 

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Slot and 3rd receiver was a need not a priority IMO.

Nobody’s denying Lambs talent . It was a safe feel good pick that didn’t address our greater weaknesses.
what were the weaknesses and who would you have taken at that spot to address them? without specific answers, it's nothing but prose.
 

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cole's looking like a first round talent in buffalo.
But he wasn’t and hasn’t been. Traditionally teams don’t use high picks for their 3rd or slot receiver .

Especially after signing your WR top 5 money. If we had let Cooper walk I would have agreed it was a priority.
 

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what were the weaknesses and who would you have taken at that spot to address them? without specific answers, it's nothing but prose.
It doesn’t have to be specific answers. Nobody is denying Lamb was best talent at that slot.

A defensive pick didn’t have to be as contributing this season to be another important piece in a rebuilding defense moving forward.
 
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it doesn’t matter. That’s would just provide you someone to critique.

We aren’t criticizing Lambs talent , etc. But the priorities we had.
Um no that’s the whole point lol. The entire draft is picking who you have available, which available prospect would you have picked? The simple point here is there was no obvious defensive player there and no one picked after us defensively has been an elite baller.

I bet you would have been happy if we took Trevon Diggs there based on need, even though the draft board clearly showed there was 50 prospect with similar grades all sitting there and Ceedee is a cut above.

If CJ Henderson was there sure that’s the pick we gotta make, but no clear pro-bowl defenders versus a lock starter/future pro-bowler in Lamb isn’t a tough one.
 
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