Try taking off your Fanatic Hat! What is best for the Future of our Team?

[JW82]

You quoted @Diehardblues asking why NFL teams keep trying to win.

You responded by saying "The reason is because there is an NFL rule that states if a team does not try to win or intentionally tank they run the risk of losing their 1st round pick or more draft picks in the next draft."

So now your saying players and coaches would try to win anyway regardless of the rule.

No one is putting words in your mouth. Your just not making any sense.

I think we should give him a pass... he's doing the best he can.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You quoted @Diehardblues asking why NFL teams keep trying to win.

You responded by saying "The reason is because there is an NFL rule that states if a team does not try to win or intentionally tank they run the risk of losing their 1st round pick or more draft picks in the next draft."

So now your saying players and coaches would try to win anyway regardless of the rule.

No one is putting words in your mouth. Your just not making any sense.

AGAIN it's obvious that comprehending what has been said to you is very hard. I didn't say THE ONLY reason was the NFL rule against tanking because most people, not including you, already know that pro players and coaches are extremely competitive so that means to prevent them from INTENTIONALLY tanking there is an NFL rule that stops that. I guess for you I should have said if a team does not try to win or what is called tanking instead of just saying to intentionally tank you might have understood easier. If you have to reread it multiple times to understand it, please do so I don't have to repeat this again.
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[aikemirv]

The whole tanking thing is comical really. For me, the possibility of a better draft choice just makes the loss hurt less. It is not like I want to watch them lose. Now if we win 2 straight and Washington wins one I admit I will be a bit irritated at the drop in draft position but I don't root for a loss or subscribe to some idea that you can tell your team and players to tank.

McCarthy already tanked the Skins game a few weeks ago. That was inexcusable!

 

[GMO415]

A real GM

 

[Captain43Crash]

You try to win every game you play. Especially when there is a at the playoffs.

You can root for the possibility of a extremely short playoff run, I’m going to root for the 4th pick in the draft and a brighter future.

 

[Ekspozed]

You can root for the possibility of a extremely short playoff run, I’m going to root for the 4th pick in the draft and a brighter future.

Because 4th pick means brighter future lol

 

[kskboys]

So they faked his back injury?

In an interview w/ Kitna, they asked him why he wasn't playing. He stated that he had no idea, and that he was ready to go.

Or, maybe his back injury wasn't that bad and he was ready to go after a game or two?

What shocks me is how anyone missed this. It was common knowledge at the time.

 

[kskboys]

So your saying that all these teams that don't have a chance of winning the SB want to tank for a better draft pick but NFL rules will not allow them? So they are playing to win because they have to?

Where do you guys get this stuff from?

That's pretty much the way it is. How do you not know this?

 

[kskboys]

Your contradicting yourself. In your previous post you said the REASON teams are trying to win is because there is a rule that says they have to.

Now your telling me I have to understand that players are competitive by nature and would still try to win.

Tanking is against the rules. If a team is too obvious about it, they'd lose draft picks, yes.

C'mooooon, guys, how long have y'all been fans of the NFL?

 

[kskboys]

Because 4th pick means brighter future lol

It can. What makes you think it absolutely would not?

Since according to reports there are no studs beyond Trevor, it may not matter all that much this year.

 

[Captain43Crash]

As I have said many times now at no time will I EVER hope for the Cowboys to lose one or more games and will accept the place in the draft they get because I know there will be some really good players past the top 5 picks that can and will help the Cowboys in the future.
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Have you tried taking off your Fanatic hat and looking at it from a Realistic fans point of view. Do you understand Realistic fans are willing to delay a little gratification( lose a few games at the end of a hopeless season ) for a better opportunity to win a Super Bowl in the future?

There are many ways to be a fan. Many of you Fanatics don’t realize this. This is understandable, after all, you are Fanatics.

 

[BrassCowboy]

With the players we have available right now we cannot consistently stop the run. We cannot consistently run the ball. We are playing our 3rd string tackles. We give up the most points in the NFL. Our defense lacks talent and does not work together because our DC is terrible.

Of course players and coaches want to win every game, because they are actually playing and coaching in the games, but fans, are sitting in their easy chairs just watching the games. Fans have the ability to root for what is best for their team’s future. Some fans, most fans are very short sighted and want instant gratification. So regardless of the circumstances,( see above: we can’t stop the run or run consistently etc.) most fans always want their team to win every game.

I’m not one of these fans. I am a realist. I realize our team has, a snow balls chance in hel_ of making a run in the playoffs. I’m willing to delay my gratification this year, when it comes to team wins, ( I cheer for individual plays and players) to improve our chances of winning a Super Bowl in the future.

If we lose our last 2 games, hopefully in competitive games, we still have a chance for the 4th pick in the draft according to Tankathon stats. ( Carolina needs to beat Washington=50/50, Atlanta needs to beat Tampa Bay=50/50, Houston needs to beat the Bungles=90/10

If we win 1 more game we will be picking between 10-13.

We need the 4th or 5th pick in the draft to give us more options( trade back, etc. ). We need new starters from the draft because we won’t be able to afford many Free Agents. We will come back strong next year with a healthy team and a bunch of early round draft picks!

Losing a couple close games now, helps our team win BIG in the future. Don’t settle for late season wins, (this makes Jerry so happy) which really do hurt our future!

Are you a Realist or a Fanatic?

I mean no offense when I say this this but you know what a realist is? A person who is afraid to take a chance, to pick a side; someone who would rather sit on the fence than risk the chance that they may be wrong. It is okay to be a realist but it takes more courage to go beyond the obvious and dwell in the realm of possibilities

 

[Tommy]

Have you tried taking off your Fanatic hat and looking at it from a Realistic fans point of view. Do you understand Realistic fans are willing to delay a little gratification( lose a few games at the end of a hopeless season ) for a better opportunity to win a Super Bowl in the future?

There are many ways to be a fan. Many of you Fanatics don’t realize this. This is understandable, after all, you are Fanatics.

Yeah man. New York Jets fans have mastered it. They have been losing games for the last 50 years and securing high draft picks every year.

That should be translating to wins for them at any time now right?

 

[BrassCowboy]

As for me, I think it's best to win at all costs and as a fan that's what's best for the team. The draft will take care of itself if you want a fault anyone for a bad draft regardless of position, you fault the owners and the GM​

 

[BrassCowboy]

Yeah man. New York Jets fans have mastered it. They have been losing games for the last 50 years and securing high draft picks every year.

That should be translating to wins for them at any time now right?

Exactly right here. This thread should be closed with this post right here

 

[G2]

In an interview w/ Kitna, they asked him why he wasn't playing. He stated that he had no idea, and that he was ready to go.

Or, maybe his back injury wasn't that bad and he was ready to go after a game or two?

What shocks me is how anyone missed this. It was common knowledge at the time.

Kitna had an idea, he said himself he thought the injury was an excuse to place him on IR.
Kitna is the one who suggested he could still play. But what competitive QB wouldn't say that? He had a bulging disk. The team director of medicine said he aggravated an existing condition. Kitna was also pissed they let Martz go. Now, maybe they planned to move on and could have told him, that remains to be seen.
But that is much different than simply benching a player who was healthy, just to lose games.

 

[cowboyec]

And a partridge in a pear tree..lol

MERRY CHRISTMAS

 

[Captain43Crash]

Like I said in my previous post Crash if you're scrolling through all of these...
It's Chinese Arithmetic I tell ya, Lol!!

Yeah!

The fans on this site who are truly Fanatical don’t really care about logic, statistics, probability etc. They just want there team to win every game, regardless of how it may adversely effect their teams future. They think they are the only real fans. It really is an immature attitude, but remember they are Fanatics.

In this thread, I asked them to TRY on their Realistic fans hat. With many of the post, it is easy to see, the Fanatics cannot comprehend another fans point of view. There way of being a fan is the only way. Again, they are Fanatics.

 

[Captain43Crash]

A realist understands a fan has zero power over wins, losses and ties. None.

A realist comprehends a fan can hope his or her team's front office will acquire the best available talent in the draft no matter the draft seeding.

A realist realizes drafting seeding dictated by the season is not static and can be modified through trades between franchises.

A realist knows past drafts have illustrated how the best perceived college talent drop and lesser evaluated talent rise up-and-down the draft board.

A realist acknowledges a fan must wait-and-see how the actual current season plays out and how it shall determine the league's final draft order.

A realist accepts a fan's inability to make drafting decisions does not dictate how their favorite team will select any player, no matter what Las Vegas oddsmakers tell them to think.

A realist recognizes rooting for their favorite team to win or lose does not affect the outcome of games but that the former is a positive inclination while the latter is a negative disposition despite all claims to the contrary.

Finally, a realist understands that, regardless of the unquestionable truths listed above, some fans will argue the exact opposite.



So-called realists should be real whenever they proclaim the title.

I agree.

The section on rooting for your team to lose. Yes, it can be seen as negative, but I am doing it because I think it increases my teams opportunity for a brighter future. It is a Realistic approach to being a fan!

 

[Captain43Crash]

The players, coaches and FO are not tanking. Did you see how pumped everyone was after the San Fran win?

Of course the players and coaches are not tanking.

It would be smart for our future though if Jerry called down to Big Mike and said start playing the young guys. I want to see what Anae has!