Twitter: KC: Dak must reach playoffs consistently if he's paid premium QB money

[PJTHEDOORS]

Sounds to me like many fans confuse “ Elite QB” with “ Franchise QB”. Sometimes they are one in the same but not always .

There’s many middle tier or what I like to call ‘best of the rest’ QB’s which are good enough to be a franchise QB receiving big contracts but not good enough or having enough success to be considered Elite.

For me franchise QB = elite. Aikman was a franchise QB, most here say he was elite. Just like Emmitt was a franchise (elite) RB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Then that same criteria holds for Aikman. Everything Dak haters say he can't do, same standard went for Aikman. Aikman never made one avg player a better player. But Dak haters always hold him as an elite QB (which he was). But using Dak haters rules = he wasn't. "Cause he like Dak needed talent around him to succeed.

I think the difference is when Aikman had that supporting cast he reached the highest pinnacle of his sport.

Without that success Aikman would have never been considered Elite or made HOF which in itself defines Elite.

When you’re a QB the teams success does revolve around you. It’s not like other key positions where league leading stats are enough to be considered Elite without some level of consistent team success.

 

[Diehardblues]

For me franchise QB = elite. Aikman was a franchise QB, most here say he was elite. Just like Emmitt was a franchise (elite) RB.

There’s many “ franchise QB” who sign big contracts most wouldn’t be considered Elite.

Franchise is defined by big long term contracts. Not necessarily their status per say . I can provide you many examples of QB paid big contracts most wouldn’t be considered Elite.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes trending down.


The studs are what made the OL great.

These solid guys have a lot to prove.

We used to have a special group. The special guys are trending down and breaking down.

Tyron had his surgery 3 years too late. I was saying he should have had surgery on his back when DLaw had his. DLaw has been a different player since his and Tyron has missed time since 2014 due to his back.

Stephen is apparently the one that was against him having the surgery.

 

[Ranched]

Just pay the man to end these threads!

 

[Qcard]

Yeah the Chiefs have not one but TWO of the top 5 highest paid receivers and the highest paid tight end.. I honestly don't know why people keep insisting on acting as if Mahomes is out there throwing to 5 guys from the Y.

Cap Hell and Team Carrying QBs is a myth.

Lazy GMs and Cheap Owners feed the gullible fans this mess.

Every QB needs help and the cap can be maneuvered as often as the team needs. Barring injuries like Romo most of these QB deals can't destroy a franchise.

It was the prior NFL and player contract agreement that allowed top 1st RD pick QBs to get monster guarantees..The owners changed the cap allotment to top draft pick QBs and added 5th year option.

These Dak Haters are stuck in the 90s

 

[CATCH17]

Cap Hell and Team Carrying QBs is a myth.

Lazy GMs and Cheap Owners feed the gullible fans this mess.

Every QB needs help and the cap can be maneuvered as often as the team needs. Barring injuries like Romo most of these QB deals can't destroy a franchise.

It was the prior NFL and player contract agreement that allowed top 1st RD pick QBs to get monster guarantees..The owners changed the cap allotment to top draft pick QBs and added 5th year option.

These Dak Haters are stuck in the 90s

It is?

I see a lot of vets taking pay cuts and guys on rookie deals winning Superbowls.

Maybe there is an outlier here or there but I guess you have more faith in Jerry than I do to build that outlier.

Also, we have a lot of big contracts on the books already. It's not like we have a young team with an expensive vet.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Hell ask the Chiefs why the surrounded Mahomes with so much talent.....they are the ones who paid Tyreke Hill and Kelce big money....then paid Sammy Watkins big money....used a 1st round on CEH and then still signed Leveon Bell. Paid Chris Jones big money....traded a 1st and 3rd for Frank Clark and gave him 105 million.......Then went on to give Mahomes a 503 million dollar contract.t So why does Mahomes need so many pieces around him to succeed? Gotta ask the Chiefs and Andy Reid that one. And while you're at it ask the Packers about Aaron Rodger and all the help he needs.

The Chiefs can do it because they are actually paying Mahomes big money AFTER the CBA is signed. Combining 4th and 5th year of Daks professional earnings he was actually paid more than Mahomes.

The problem has always been that we are continually chase our tails paying Dead Cap. Dak's years were wasted .....because we paid Romo $60 in Dead Cap for the years 2016-2018.

We've been restructuring since. There are some who look to the past and say "we've always found the money"....well at the time we did and pay later, unfortunately it's never worked.

The question about Dak isnt really about him and his abilities, it's about being able to build a team....we ahve to write off 2022/23 rather than making the same mistakes again and again.




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[ShortRound]

These media guys will go easy on Jerry but give our QBs hell. I think it’s time to flip that after twenty five years. They’re just lazy and scared of Jerry.

 

[Qcard]

It is?

I see a lot of vets taking pay cuts and guys on rookie deals winning Superbowls.

Maybe there is an outlier here or there but I guess you have more faith in Jerry than I do to build that outlier.

Also, we have a lot of big contracts on the books already. It's not like we have a young team with an expensive vet.

Really...what you see is good QB play regardless of Pay Scale.

Mahomes is not taking a pay cut. But, lets not forget, you think Kaaya was a better prospect.

None of these QBs are taking a pay cut and they all have premier weapons on the outside, in the back field and on the Edges.

Dak's contact will in no way inhibit McClay, Stephen or Jerry from signing key free agents.
The Front office bargain basement shop because they chose to, not because it is a proven fact big contracts limit teams.

Look at Rams...Gurley deal was a franchise killer as foretold!!

Get off the 90s sauce

 

[CATCH17]

Really...what you see is good QB play regardless of Pay Scale.

Mahomes is not taking a pay cut. But, lets not forget, you think Kaaya was a better prospect.

None of these QBs are taking a pay cut and they all have premier weapons on the outside, in the back field and on the Edges.

Dak's contact will in no way inhibit McClay, Stephen or Jerry from signing key free agents.
The Front office bargain basement shop because they chose not because it is a proven fact big contracts limit teams.

Look at Rams...Gurley deal was a franchise killer as foretold!!

Get off the 90s sauce

No I thought Kaaya's game translated to the pro's better while also saying Mahomes was super talent that needed a Bill Parcells type to coach all of the wild out of him.. Please properly comprehend.


Also, Mahomes signed a loooooong extension. He's still got 2 years left on his rookie deal I believe.

McClay can't build squat with Dak cheap. He's already shown that. He's not going to suddenly pay Dak and fix everything on a roster trending down. You have more faith in a team that's been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 10 years than I do.

 

[RonnieT24]

I agree with this. People will say that its not all Daks fault he has no defense or blame injuries on the offensive line but the above QBs will put teams on their back during tough times and make average players better. I have yet to see Dak make one avg player a better player.

Why did they not touch on other guys on the highest paid QB list like Stafford, Watson, Cousins, Garrapolo, Wentz, Ryan etc? How do they get a pass on the making the playoffs every year requirement? The issue for this team is not the quarterback.. To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it's the defense, stupid. None of the guys cited as "putting teams on their backs" has ever made a single defensive stop or a special teams tackle or run a kick back. Let's start by trying to field a defense that gives up less than 30 points a game and 180 yards rushing at 5 YARDS PER CARRY! and go from there. Or maybe a special teams that doesn't start the offense at the 1 foot line or fail on fake punts deep in your own territory half a dozen times. Dak (and Romo for most of his career) has been playing with one hand tied behind his back because of how bad the defense in Dallas has been for the better part of the last decade. Even though he defense has been rated in the upper half of the league for the last 5 years the offense holding onto the ball and shortening games has been the primary reason they have not been ranked worse. When needed to make a key stop they have consistently failed. And the poop really hit the fan this year with Mike Nolan and his nickel defense against two tight end offense alignment. Damn just thinking about that makes me wanna punch something.. or someone.

 

[Hadenough]

Then that same criteria holds for Aikman. Everything Dak haters say he can't do, same standard went for Aikman. Aikman never made one avg player a better player. But Dak haters always hold him as an elite QB (which he was). But using Dak haters rules = he wasn't. "Cause he like Dak needed talent around him to succeed.

Remember when people thought Alvin Harper was a #1 WR.

 

[RonnieT24]

No I thought Kaaya's game translated to the pro's better while also saying Mahomes was super talent that needed a Bill Parcells type to coach all of the wild out of him.. Please properly comprehend.


Also, Mahomes signed a loooooong extension. He's still got 2 years left on his rookie deal I believe.

McClay can't build squat with Dak cheap. He's already shown that. He's not going to suddenly pay Dak and fix everything on a roster trending down. You have more faith in a team that's been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 10 years than I do.

I think McClay was sabotaged by Marinelli falling in love with guys during the interviews which led to the coaches overriding the scouts on more than one occasion. At least on defense. We have way too many KPs (Kaint Play) draftees on defense for it to be a coincidence.

 

[Aven8]

It’s not just the defense. We are in bigger trouble, because of our OL. Collins hip issue seems major and Smith is getting really old. I have no faith in Philbin and our RG has been deteriorating ever since Callahan left.

I know your dislike for Dak, but come on man with no faith in Philbin? The dude was a miracle worker this year with what he had to work with. If you remember GB was the best pass blocking teams in his time there. He doesn’t require All Pro’s across the line to get the job done sans our other coaches. I agree that Cally is a flat out stud coach, but you can’t dis Philbin.

 

[CATCH17]

I think McClay was sabotaged by Marinelli falling in love with guys during the interviews which led to the coaches overriding the scouts on more than one occasion. At least on defense. We have way too many KPs (Kaint Play) draftees on defense for it to be a coincidence.

You hire old stubborn coaches who don't evolve their scheme to players then that is what you get.

I'm not saying he was wrong either. We may not have created turnovers but we limited big plays and did well against the run.

Nolan was brought here to be more dynamic. We got more turnovers. WE also gave up a ton of big plays while our best or 2nd best defensive player played his football in Miami.

 

[Hadenough]

Why did they not touch on other guys on the highest paid QB list like Stafford, Watson, Cousins, Garrapolo, Wentz, Ryan etc? How do they get a pass on the making the playoffs every year requirement? The issue for this team is not the quarterback.. To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it's the defense, stupid. None of the guys cited as "putting teams on their backs" has ever made a single defensive stop or a special teams tackle or run a kick back. Let's start by trying to field a defense that gives up less than 30 points a game and 180 yards rushing at 5 YARDS PER CARRY! and go from there. Or maybe a special teams that doesn't start the offense at the 1 foot line or fail on fake punts deep in your own territory half a dozen times. Dak (and Romo for most of his career) has been playing with one hand tied behind his back because of how bad the defense in Dallas has been for the better part of the last decade. Even though he defense has been rated in the upper half of the league for the last 5 years the offense holding onto the ball and shortening games has been the primary reason they have not been ranked worse. When needed to make a key stop they have consistently failed. And the poop really hit the fan this year with Mike Nolan and his nickel defense against two tight end offense alignment. Damn just thinking about that makes me wanna punch something.. or someone.

no doubt this defense is not very good but where in the h e l l was Dak 30 points per game avg in those games last season they had a chance that the defense held up against the Saints, Eagles, Patriots, Jets. All the guys you mentioned are mistakes that show what happens when you pay good like elite.

 

[Hadenough]

Sounds to me like many fans confuse “ Elite QB” with “ Franchise QB”. Sometimes they are one in the same but not always .

There’s many middle tier or what I like to call ‘best of the rest’ QB’s which are good enough to be a franchise QB receiving big contracts but not good enough or having enough success to be considered Elite.

Well said! The elite money should be reserved for the few who actually are great. Too many people on here think next man up deserves highest salary.

 

[Hadenough]

It’s very enlightening when listening to fans like @CATCH17. They are just fans laying on a couch. Yet they think they know more than McClay. They listen to the likes of some BBQ king talking head, who most of us have never heard of, for their takes! It’s really a phenomena that deserves an in depth investigation.

You do realize that McClay wanted every QB before Dak dont you. We dont know that McClay isnt the one in Jerrys ear saying I wouldnt pay him like he is elite. Somebody is talking to Jerry otherwise Dak would of been paid.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yep..

People think we're just a couple drafts away or whatever.. Build a defense.

Meanwhile the OL is trending down.



I'll say though.. I thought the Oline coach did well for what he had. The Arizona & Washington game were awful but for what they had I thought it was ok.

All of a sudden, we have some promising young lineman on the team. Biadasz and McGovern. Collins is the big mystery. If all we have to replace is Smith in a few years, I dont see a big issue.

Besides, Dak was running the #1 offense in football with both Collins and Smith out of the lineup.

Dak has gotten so good, that I dont believe we need the best line in football anymore. And we certainly dont need Zeke anymore.

Collins, Martin, Biadasz, McGovern, Smith with Williams, Knight, Steele as backups is looking great going into next season.

Now we probably dont have the great Andy Dalton, but......................................