Twitter: KC: Dak must reach playoffs consistently if he's paid premium QB money

[kskboys]

Seriously? The defense that gave up the most points in franchise history and 5 yards per carry is "not very good." Nooooo.. they stink like sunbaked dogsh1t. I can do nothing about the bad games last year. Some of it was on Dak.. some was on others.. Remember Witten's fumble with us driving into winning FG range against the Saints? Remember the horrible Zeke fumble that they didn't overturn against who was that? Was that also the Saints? I think it was. What about the DB with his arms wrapped around Witten on the 2 point play against the Jets? Oh and was Dak on the field when the defense gave up a damn 98 yard pass play to Anderson? Dak had some bad games last year no doubt. But he had way more good games. And frankly he did not have a single bad game this year.. His worst QBR was 68.5 against the Giants and we all know that was on its way up before he got hurt since he had just led the team on two straight 75 yard drives to paydirt and 18 yards away from a third. He was probably going to eventually have a bad game or two this year.. but I don't think there was going to be any defense that caught him off guard anymore. Time will tell.

Until/unless we fix the D, who we have at QB is not going to matter all that much. And since Jerry/Stephen have proven to be completely clueless when it comes to D, someone else will have to be put over the formation of the D. I'm not a Mike Nolan fan, but maybe he can improve the picking of the groceries.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Like squirrels fighting over a nut!! LOL
Case Keenum wins one playoff game...
“Pay that man!!!”
And Elway did. To terrible results.

Right, because Keenum and Dak are comparable! Nice reach.

 

[kskboys]

I do not think they bungled this one. I think it was the previous ones when they blinked that set this one up. They just picked this one to stop rolling over for.

Oooohhh, no doubt.

Do Jerry n son even comprehend how previous negotiations affect upcoming ones? I'm not sure they do.

 

[Buzzbait]

It’s not just the defense. We are in bigger trouble, because of our OL. Collins hip issue seems major and Smith is getting really old. I have no faith in Philbin and our RG has been deteriorating ever since Callahan left.

Well if they give Dak enough money, maybe he could play OT and QB both.

 

[RonnieT24]

Let's see, they tried to sign him after year 3, offering a very fair contract around 31-33 mil. Then they tried to sign him last year offering around 35-36 mil and his agent refused to negotiate. Can you explain to me exactly how the Cowboys bungled this?

To be fair none of those "fair contract" offers are confirmed and likely never will be. All we have gotten is what the Joneses and the agent have leaked to the media in their endless postureing efforts. The true detail and nature of those negotiations will never be known. That said, if Dak screws up my favorite team by refusing to play ball on the contract length I will hate him forever. This really isn't difficult. Sign a cap friendly deal.. pocket a 70-80 million dollar signing bonus and live happily ever after. If he's screwing around with us because the agent wants the "I negotiated the highest paid player in NFL history" feather in HIS cap then I will not only hate the agent but will hunt him down and terminate him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We'd have to see how Dak copes with that 0-line. He was only missing Collins, Smith played the first 4 games.

And then DAL said “let’s tag him.”
Cause they thought he was an “Elite Level QB”. LOL.
Reality never lines up with your fantasy, dream world posts.

Only it has lined up. Almost word for word. Most thought Dak would have signed long term by now, but thats coming. A slight delay. Fact remains he is here and will be for a long time. Tissues?

 

[CouchCoach]

Oooohhh, no doubt.

Do Jerry n son even comprehend how previous negotiations affect upcoming ones? I'm not sure they do.

They live in the "year to year world" because they do not have to worry about the future.

Their management style is like the woman that exclaims "I can' be broke, I still have checks in my checkbook".

But their not the only ones that are guilty of that. PIT didn't consider what they did with Rothliesberger and Brown to have the effect it did on Bell. He didn't value his services compared to the RB position but how that position created the largest % of his team's offense and added to keeping the defense on the sideline.

I know most thought he was dumb sitting out but it's not about money as much as principle to some people and I found it refreshing that he was willing to do that. Especially since I wouldn't have done that. Take the money and run, run, run.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Because they are going for it, especially taking the opportunity when Mahomes is still "cheap"..... we never had the opportunity due to the Dead Money problem compounded by restructuring contracts.

Of course it's about the CAP....that's why we've won no championship for 27 years.

And the Cowboys are going for it. Every team is going for it lol.

 

[CouchCoach]

To be fair none of those "fair contract" offers are confirmed and likely never will be. All we have gotten is what the Joneses and the agent have leaked to the media in their endless postureing efforts. The true detail and nature of those negotiations will never be known. That said, if Dak screws up my favorite team by refusing to play ball on the contract length I will hate him forever. This really isn't difficult. Sign a cap friendly deal.. pocket a 70-80 million dollar signing bonus and live happily ever after. If he's screwing around with us because the agent wants the "I negotiated the highest paid player in NFL history" feather in HIS cap then I will not only hate the agent but will hunt him down and terminate him.

LMAO, we ain't just pissed anymore.

I don't fault his agent last time out because why wouldn't he play that game? Didn't Lawrence's and Elliot's agents win out in the stare down?

However, since they didn't capitulate the last time and are probably a little more cap strapped this go around, I don't think he plays the game the same way.

I wonder if all of the registered agents were asked what GM they'd most like to go up against with a star player, how many would list Booger at #1?

 

[kskboys]

To be fair none of those "fair contract" offers are confirmed and likely never will be. All we have gotten is what the Joneses and the agent have leaked to the media in their endless postureing efforts. The true detail and nature of those negotiations will never be known. That said, if Dak screws up my favorite team by refusing to play ball on the contract length I will hate him forever. This really isn't difficult. Sign a cap friendly deal.. pocket a 70-80 million dollar signing bonus and live happily ever after. If he's screwing around with us because the agent wants the "I negotiated the highest paid player in NFL history" feather in HIS cap then I will not only hate the agent but will hunt him down and terminate him.

Yup, all we have is what we hear. It did come out that his agent wouldnt' even return phone calls, and we do have for proof that an inordinately high number of his clients were forced to play on the tag.

The only conclusion that I've been able to come to regarding Dak is that he either does not want to be here, or he's really dumb. Nothing else makes sense that I can think of. You?

 

[CATCH17]

Yup, all we have is what we hear. It did come out that his agent wouldnt' even return phone calls, and we do have for proof that an inordinately high number of his clients were forced to play on the tag.

The only conclusion that I've been able to come to regarding Dak is that he either does not want to be here, or he's really dumb. Nothing else makes sense that I can think of. You?

Players union probably wants him to get every penny possibly.

I just can't believe he turned down 30+ a year for 5 years to gamble like that.

I guess having 40 or 50 in the bank account already will have you fine with gambling.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Right, because Keenum and Dak are comparable! Nice reach.

Both have playoff wins and nice numbers for a season or 2 here and there. Nothing to write home about with either of them. Tak did get tagged though....so there’s that.
Keenum still has had more success than Cousins has in MIN. LOL.

 

[RonnieT24]

Players union probably wants him to get every penny possibly.

I just can't believe he turned down 30+ a year for 5 years to gamble like that.

I guess having 40 or 50 in the bank account already will have you fine with gambling.

There is zero doubt in my mind that the NFLPA is calling Dak multiple times a day reminding him of his "responsibility" to the rest of his "brothers" not to take a dime less than market value on the contract. But between 8-10 million a year in endorsements and a 50 million dollar insurance policy Dak has little financial incentive to lower his demands. But if he makes it about football.. then he has to do what he needs to do for the team. He's not going to miss out on any money by signing the long term deal and we all know that they longer the deal the better it is for the cap. There is a very short list of guys who helped Jerry on contracts who then ended up getting screwed by him. However let's not be silly.. that list aint zero.. Most of us believe Stephen is the culprit when it happens.. but it has happened.

 

[CouchCoach]

Players union probably wants him to get every penny possibly.

I just can't believe he turned down 30+ a year for 5 years to gamble like that.

I guess having 40 or 50 in the bank account already will have you fine with gambling.

Bingo. The tag was the detriment to getting this deal done.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yup, all we have is what we hear. It did come out that his agent wouldnt' even return phone calls, and we do have for proof that an inordinately high number of his clients were forced to play on the tag.

The only conclusion that I've been able to come to regarding Dak is that he either does not want to be here, or he's really dumb. Nothing else makes sense that I can think of. You?

I don't think Dak is dumb.. He reportedly earned two degrees in his 5 years at MSU and is well on his way to a masters in his spare time. That would seem to indicate that he's not a simpleton. I do believe he has some pride (what top level athlete doesn't?) and he does have a "camp" that is in his ear that is telling him that he needs to git paid and all that. I think he's conflicted.. 30 million a year will set up the next 5 generations of his family just as well as 35 million or 40 million would. If the real holdup is his pride then he can walk.. I tend to cast the eye of blame toward the agent. He's using these guys to build HIS "brand." At some point you would think these athletes would start noticing that his guys keep getting tagged and take the hint.. This dude aint lookin out for you, he's trying to become the new Drew Rosenhaus.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Only it has lined up. Almost word for word. Most thought Dak would have signed long term by now, but thats coming. A slight delay. Fact remains he is here and will be for a long time. Tissues?

But none of that is reality. It’s just your Jr high school fantasy.
Here’s reality. You know, factual history?
No. Most didn’t think he would sign long term. And like everyone surmised, Tak was tagged.
Those same folks are saying he will be tagged again. Once he can prove he’s heathy.
Fact is he was tagged and is on his way to a big payday elsewhere. Like every other tagged QB in the history of the NFL.

But tell us more tall tales Mr Wizard!!

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't think Dak is dumb.. He reportedly earned two degrees in his 5 years at MSU and is well on his way to a masters in his spare time. That would seem to indicate that he's not a simpleton. I do believe he has some pride (what top level athlete doesn't?) and he does have a "camp" that is in his ear that is telling him that he needs to git paid and all that. I think he's conflicted.. 30 million a year will set up the next 5 generations of his family just as well as 35 million or 40 million would. If the real holdup is his pride then he can walk.. I tend to cast the eye of blame toward the agent. He's using these guys to build HIS "brand." At some point you would think these athletes would start noticing that his guys keep getting tagged and take the hint.. This dude aint lookin out for you, he's trying to become the new Drew Rosenhaus.

Getting tagged is the sure fire way to getting the best compensation. Even Cousins told Tak this.
His agent is using the same method Cousins used and his client will be paid the most money.
Tak isn’t conflicted. You are.
Tak wants the most money he can get in the shortest period of time. And Cousins is how you do that. No, Tak doesn’t care about the Dallas Cowboys. He cares about what Cousins cared about. $145 MILLION DOLLARS.
Anyone who says differently is just trying to sell you something.
I don’t need to sell you on the above cause it sells itself. And that’s what his agent told him.

 

[blueblood70]

Most sane people know Dak would have been 3 for 5 getting to the playoffs had he finished this season. As for ripping Dalton? Dalton went 4-3 against .500 or worse teams. Dak was 2-0 against them this year, 6-1 last year and 8-3 the year before.. The 10 win team thing might carry some weight if the defense wasn't so bad. It has been mediocre to horrible since Dak got here.. and really most of the last decade. We've counted on the offense to hold onto the ball and protect them since 2010. Good teams won't let you do that.. so you're going to have an inferior record against them. Some have the offense to shred your swiss cheese defense and just enough defense to slow down your offense while others have the defense to hold your offense under 20 while managing just enough offense to beat you. This team has been relying on that formula for too long and needs to fix it.. whether it signs Dak or not. Or us Cowboys fans are in for another decade of this same crap..

i agree most of what you said , however you cant give dak credit for NY because he didnt finish the game, games are not assumed won when you leave.. so hes 1-0 Daltons 5-2, not comparing the two one is backup but that BUP got a lot of flack for his record against the better teams, so pointing out mr 38Mil isnt much better and ill argue Dalton had far worse talent most of the season due to constant injury loss throughout then what dak started with this year and finished with last year..

point is as this thread sates more playoffs, well more playoffs means beating better teams and daks record against those teams are not 38-40mil worthy at this point

Ok so we need more defense well building better defense needs cap room, again 38-40 on dak will hinder that process for better defense IMO..
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[RonnieT24]

i agree most of what you said , however you cant give dak credit for NY because he didnt finish the game, games are not assumed won when you leave.. so hes 1-0 Daltons 5-2, not comparing the two one is backup but that BUP got a lot of flack for his record against the better teams, so pointing out mr 38Mil isnt much better and ill argue Dalton had far worse talent most of the season due to constant injury loss throughout then what dak started with this year and finished with last year..

point is as this thread sates more playoffs, well more playoffs means beating better teams and daks record against those teams are not 38-40mil worthy at this point

Ok so we need more defense well building better defense needs cap room, again 38-40 on dak will hinder that process for better defense IMO..
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You and I both know that "finishing the game" is not how wins and losses are tracked. I mean are you removing the WFT loss from Dalton's ledger because he got knocked out? That's some pretty shoddy accounting. It's not my job (nor Dak's) to manage the cap. That's up to Jerry and Stephen. Dak's job is to go out and play well enough to give this team a chance to win. He does that in at least 80% of his games.. I get that you don't want to re-sign Dak.. Fine.. we disagree there.. We agree that the defense needs to be better. I believe that can be done without losing our QB. You don't.. again fine.. We will see.

 

[blueblood70]

You and I both know that "finishing the game" is not how wins and losses are tracked. I mean are you removing the WFT loss from Dalton's ledger because he got knocked out? That's some pretty shoddy accounting. It's not my job (nor Dak's) to manage the cap. That's up to Jerry and Stephen. Dak's job is to go out and play well enough to give this team a chance to win. He does that in at least 80% of his games.. I get that you don't want to re-sign Dak.. Fine.. we disagree there.. We agree that the defense needs to be better. I believe that can be done without losing our QB. You don't.. again fine.. We will see.

im adding to the actual thread on playoffs with dak etc the cap is mentioned because i agree some of that relies on better defense and there are reasons the Jones havent just caved to all demands by dak, they might want him but not at all costs..they want some give and take and that we BOTH know did NOT happen with daks camp..he wanted it all years, guarantees, high AAV, etc etc

Its up to dak and Jerry but dak has held that part up and i went from pay dak to pay dak if its team friendly. Rather have a better Team ie Defense because the offense is loaded when healthy(even without dak, yes a healthy OL, Jarwin, and Zeke with most solid qb play could have been successful) and while dak makes it run better not so much a seasoned QB can come in and do the job adequately which btw isnt much farther from the fact that what weve been anyway, so how much is that worth for Dak? meh

I like him , want him here but not at ALL costs..