Cole Beasley. wrong to let him go?

[dmq]

He was asking for a lot of money. Plus, I seem to remember him having drop/fumble issues in his last 2 years with Dallas. No doubt it would have been nice to keep him, but it is all a financial puzzle that needs to work.

 

[jaythecowboy]

No letting him go was the right decision but they did the wrong things with the money

 

[Redball Express]

The sauce wanted out of here.

A player who does not want to be here needs be to let go.

IMO Beasley is a medicore player who wanted to be overpayed.
We all should be happy that he is gone.

The Bills are successful again because they have a good management. Not because they signed Beasley.


Lets all vote to get rid of the Joneses "the U.S. losing mentallity" family and not to sing players like Beasley.

I think you missed my point.

It was that we drafted and developed a player in Beezer who was loyal to the team and really was a piece of our success.

And I question taking that player and when he wanted to be paid more..we just went in another direction and instead preferred to pay out monster contracts to Dak, Jaylon, Zeke and Tank.

The last 3 I mention there have just flatlined for us.

But guys like Beasley where just ignored.

It proved expensive to build the team that way. Poor judgement.

I watched Beasley in the playoffs yesterday.

He was impressive. Happy for him.

He is tough and definitely a leader guy.

We could use more players like him.

 

[Redball Express]

this was more inept OC and Head coaching not being able to know how to really utilize Beasley. the stoic run on first down, no-motion offensive attack of Linehan and garrett's incompetence to make necessary changes led us here. but even with that, keep in mind that beasley is greatly benefiting from Diggs. so we would just not need to sign Cobb and waste money/time with him, instead still trade for cooper and keep beasley...I don't put Gallup in the same category as a #1 WR, who will demand double teams, as Diggs does. so Gallup/Beasley combo would not have been as effective....

and I wish we would have drafted defense last year.....and I hope this year we draft 10 defensive players and no offense and I would be fine with that.

You know...you are scaring me.

Did you read my rough draft before I made this post.?

I agree with you completely.

I am just pointing out when we have a player who is loyal and played well for us..

We pay and retain them.

This team has a reputation that they can win by taking players others pass on and turn them into Cinderellas.

It has never worked.

You pay the players who helped get you there, Not constantly stir the pot trying to find a better payoff.

Just what better teams do.

 

[Redball Express]

No...

The only thing wrong with Cole Beasley is how much this fan base underrated him.

Completely correct.

Our fan base has a habit of wanting to always to covet other players or coaches as our answer.

It just does not work that way. Our players need better coaching which we just do not have under Jones as the owner/GM.

There is no other franchise in the entire NFL who operates like we do.

It's just obvious it does not work.

I had hoped McCarthy had the resume' to finally be a HC who was steeped enough in his success to come in here and just get us back to football being our primary agenda.

His 1st years has shown I was naive. He had barely a ripple effect so far.

We will see.

 

[Redball Express]

Beasley is having a ridiculous year. He has 82 receptions and 967 yards, with 4 TDs at 11.8 yards per catch.

Gallup has 59 receptions, 5 TDs at 14.3 yards per threat. Gallup basically runs a lot of deep routes. Gallup was leading the league at 71 go routes three months ago.

Beasley is a much more diverse WR. Completely different..

One telling indicator is how much more impactful Beasley is on grass. Gallup is a big play guy, but on grass he has 7 receptions for 61 yards. I think they played a total of three games. That’s an 8.7 average for a big play guy. Gallup is 52 receptions at 782 yards at around 15 YPC. Gallup is basically getting his on faster turfs.

Beasley on the other hand is 506 yards at 42 receptions at 12 YPC. Obviously, the Bills play on grass at home, but his YPC is just as good at home.

https://insidethestar.com/michael-gallup-has-been-one-of-the-nfls-best-deep-threats-in-2020/

Super well underlined.

You understand what I am hinting at.

Thanx for your clear eyed view about Beasley.

He has been ridiculous in Buffalo. Happy for him.

Probably makes Pro Bowl this year.

Where as we as a fan base just thought he was a whiner and should move on.

He proved us wrong. I like players of that quality.

 

[Redball Express]

Looking at the team now, do you really feel like they need another receiver?

He had his chance to be the guy. He showed that he couldn’t, and the team had to trade a #1 pick to get Amari Cooper. He can be a good piece on a team, but he obviously needs an actual #1 drawing attention and giving him a chance to work the slot and the sticks.

Agreed.

Beasley needed more help on the outside. We were ridiculously over satisfied we could just coachup a bunch of second rate receivers and Dak would sort it out.

And we sign a coach like Sanjay to lead them.

How stupid.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You know...you are scaring me.

Did you read my rough draft before I made this post.?

I agree with you completely.

I am just pointing out when we have a player who is loyal and played well for us..

We pay and retain them.

This team has a reputation that they can win by taking players others pass on and turn them into Cinderellas.

It has never worked.

You pay the players who helped get you there, Not constantly stir the pot trying to find a better payoff.

Just what better teams do.

this team, this FO, this GM and this Scouting dept. make a lot of mistakes. we have done some good drafts, retained some good players, but we also have had a lot of critical misses. what worries me about this FO, is that in 44 defensive players we have picked since 2005, we have had two players we can call impactful and none in FA. Lawrence and Jones (no longer here). the rest have been misses by a mile. compare that to offense and players we picked in the past 15 years (Zeke, Dak, Martin, Smith, Lamb, Cooper, Collins, Schultz, Jarwin, Pollard, Fredrick, Biadasz). how is it that we can pick so well offensively and whiff on defense with the likes of Claiborne, Taco, Hill, etc.

 

[The Fonz]

I am fine with letting him go you can't sign them all ..every player is replaceable it won't be easy for some but you have to find ways to rotate the roster and that's what good teams do
The sad part is the Cowboys is a dysfunctional organizations and they will remain that way for many years to come

 

[gjkoeppen]

I know we have discussed him and his behavior before he moved on.

But he has had a very good year with 967 yards and made Allen a top level QB in 2020 helping get them into the playoffs.

Allen has certainly liked him as a Go To Guy..

So my question is did we make a mistake in trading for Cooper and us giving Cooper the money. Add to that also having to pay the big price tag to Cooper when we resigned him and trading a #1 pick to acquire him.

I liked Beasley and thought he was a stealthy weapon who made big plays when he was with us. His play in Buffalo has been impressive with Allen.

And when you factor in drafting CeeDee this year it has forced us to invest another #1 pick in him to fix Cobbs departure in 2019.

Quite a domino effect leaving me thinking we should have re-signed him thus needing not to reinvest a #1 pick in CeeDee to repair the damage at slot.

So 2 1st Rd picks in 2018 and again in 2019 that maybe should have been used on defense might have left us way better off.

But then again in the old Garrett regime, no matter what we did under Marrinelli and his limitations with Richard we could not draft defense at all (ie Trystan Hill and Taco Charlton high pick failures.)

So my point is as insistent as we all are in supporting our positions on player decisions we have made decisions that left us looking a little lacking.

Can we avoid that going forward with McCarthy?

I certainly hope so because we can not keep replacing missed players with trades and #1 picks.

And we can not win with guys like Dalton Smith and Gerald McCoy and Ha Ha Clinton Dix who are past their prime bodies to patch the mistakes.

Thoughts?

Lets do a little comparing. Beasley in his rookie year had 15 catches for 128 yards, Lamb had 74 catches for 935 yards. It took Beasley until his 6th season to have as many catches as Lamb had his rookie year and took until his 9th season to have 32 more yards than Lamb had as a rookie.

Lamb is already a better slot than Beasley. And don't come back with Lamb also lined up sometimes outside because Beasley did that with the Cowboys too.
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[Redball Express]

I think you need to flip that. Allen made The Bease this year. He is a legit franchise QB. For example, S. Diggs had the best year of his career this year also.

Sure..Allen has certainly found how to take Beasley and weaponize him.

Agreed.

Something we struggled to figure out.

What I like about Beasley is he puts his money where his mouth is. He got his money and produced like the player he was paid to be by Buffalo.

Unlike us who overpay for production and players do not produce.

Besser will be All Pro becuz of his gut desire to excell and met or exceed his contract.

How refreshing.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Well Dak supporters said he made Cole and when Dak sucked in 2017 and 2018, Cole was one of their scapegoats.

Beasley’s best year here statistically in 2016 was because of Linehan. Defenses realized this and began scheming for Him and it’s not surprise Dak was throwing four pick 6s in like 4 games, before Linehan took the ball away from Dak and started feeding Zeke like 24 times a game.

You're on drugs!!!!!!!!!!!! 2016 was Prescott's rookie season which he set an NFL record for the fewest picks by a rookie QB starting at least 10 games and that number was FOUR PICKS for the season and none were a pick six. You Prescott hating is making you look really foolish.
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[Redball Express]

This team is backwards sign everyone besides those who play good for them.

I think that is my point with the Beasley example.

You must have had more coffee than me before you posted.

Good point. Fewer words.

 

[Redball Express]

It was time for a change for both parties. Beasley is happy in Buffalo and the Boy's are happy with Lamb. Hoping he makes it to the AFC Championship game.

Ditto.

My post was aimed at our FO for mis-handling Beasley.

Look at how Beasley has put up or shut up.

Happy for him. Love his passion and guts playing with injury.

Miss him.

 

[SackMaster]

Pretty funny.

But sadly..too true.

I posted this as a cautionary tale.

Beasley was a fan fav player who was homegrown in Dallas.

The cost of letting him get unhappy and the team doing nothing to retain him proved costly.

It added to our cap with having to pursue Cooper which cost us a #1 pick to re-invigorate the passing troops..

And it ends up signing and then letting Cobb leave.

Then it forced us to re-invest in CeeDee with a #1 pic in 2020.

Obviously the team understands the symbiotic importance of the slot receiver and Dak.

There is a similar relationship that exists between the QB and TE in our offense that remains unsettled to me.

That is another thread so I will save that discussion.

But Schultz..while having improved over his rookie year..scares and threatens nobody. He needs to be upgraded as well.

But I am just pointing out with Beasley that he was a wasted move for us and cost us letting him go.

We have to stop hemmoraging with decisions like that going forward.

It just sets us back.

This is not even close to what I was saying.

Even if we kept Beasley, he is not a #1 WR. In fact, Beasley was given 1/2 a season to become the #1 WR in Dallas but completely and utterly failed to do so. THAT is what forced Dallas to trade for Cooper.

As for CeeDee, he was clearly the BPA when we selected him and he head and shoulders above Beasley in height, talent AND versatility. You can line up CeeDee ANYWHERE where as Beasley is a Slot only guy.

So if anything, had Dallas retained Beasley, he would be the 4th Best WR on the team (and it's debatable if he would be that high on this roster) but he would have been paid like he was the 2nd best WR on the team which would have likely had him lose his "fan favorite" status.

The "cost" of letting Beasley go was allowing our WR group improve DRAMATICALLY without him weighing it down with his limited talent and/or pricey contract.

But as always, JMHO

 

[blueblood70]

HELL FN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO1

cobb was better, Ceedee and Gallup on rookie deals are better , AC was needed because bease is backup..sorry but again HECK FN NOOOO!

they had to get Diggs to help Allen as we did with AC Bease cant get it done and thats was a lot of money on guy whos compliment.. we now have 1a 1b 1c WR group..

 

[DejectedFan1996]

It was time for the rapper to go.

Just like it was time for Aikmans country singing self to hang it up

 

[cern]

Lets do a little comparing. Beasley in his rookie year had 15 catches for 128 yards, Lamb had 74 catches for 935 yards. It took Beasley until his 6th season to have as many catches as Lamb had his rookie year and took until his 9th season to have 32 more yards than Lamb had as a rookie.

Lamb is already a better slot than Beasley. And don't come back with Lamb also lined up sometimes outside because Beasley did that with the Cowboys too.
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Outstanding reply.

 

[khiladi]

You're on drugs!!!!!!!!!!!! 2016 was Prescott's rookie season which he set an NFL record for the fewest picks by a rookie QB starting at least 10 games and that number was FOUR PICKS for the season and none were a pick six. You Prescott hating is making you look really foolish.
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I basically stated exactly what you stated.
I was referring to the next year, thus the defenders started scheming for Beasley and Dak threw 4 INTe returned for a TD, including 2 in the cluster that was Denver and then Linehan had to take the ball away from Dak and started feeding Zeke around 24 times again and then Zeke got suspended and Dak was completely mediocre.

 

[khiladi]

You can't average results with just one year of comparison. Ergo, any comparisons of Beasley and Gallup need to be done over the last two years. In any case, i'll take Gallup..

I wasn’t making any real comparison to Gallup. The comparison I was make is Beasley in Dallas to Beasley in Buffalo.