Kiper Mock 1.0 1/26/21

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So everyone in here would pass on a future pro-bowl guard/tackle for a slow CB in a cover-3 scheme? :rolleyes:

Just remember we will have to face Chase Young for the next decade :rolleyes:

Just remember what the Washington did in the 2 games this yr, dominated the trenches on both sides of the football. Everyone needs to accept the fact the OL is aging and needs reinforcements before it becomes too late.
 

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I think many are fooling themselves that Offensive Tackle isn't a top need. Clearly our OL is starting to age, first Frederick retires, then Tyron/Collins miss almost the entire season, where even Zach Martin missed many games. Selecting a player like Slater isn't a luxury like many think, but rather an important need.

Even with an excellent off-season, this team still will be relied upon on their offense to carry them. What I saw last season, against the good teams, they couldn't run, struggled to protect. This team is about to make a huge investment with their franchise QB, they will make it a priority to keep him safe.

Team has 10 draft picks to bring in reinforcements for the defense. Not saying they must use the 1st rd pick to address the OL need, but could be in discussion every pick there after.

Don't misconstrue not wanting an ot at 10 w not seeing a need. That's not correct.
 

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Don't misconstrue not wanting an ot at 10 w not seeing a need. That's not correct.

As you know, Tackles are always in high demand, if you want one, probably going to have to take one with a premium pick (Rd 1-3)
 

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As you know, Tackles are always in high demand, if you want one, probably going to have to take one with a premium pick (Rd 1-3)

Absolutely. Doesn't have to be 10. And it doesn't even have to be this year.
 

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Absolutely. Doesn't have to be 10. And it doesn't even have to be this year.
I think the need to more pressing and needs to be filled sooner rather then later. Perhaps give the prospect a yr to develop and get him ready to start in 2022.
 

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I think the need to more pressing and needs to be filled sooner rather then later. Perhaps give the prospect a yr to develop and get him ready to start in 2022.

Definitely a strong argument to be made there. Id rather take Farley over Slater. Just my opinion.
 

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Good left tackles are expensive and to get one in the first round with a rookie contract would be salary cap friendly. Especially one that could play interior OL in case of injury.
 

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Just remember what the Washington did in the 2 games this yr, dominated the trenches on both sides of the football. Everyone needs to accept the fact the OL is aging and needs reinforcements before it becomes too late.

Valid points. But who started for us? I’ll take this battle with a healthy Smith, Collins and Martin. They aren’t punking them
 

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Is Slater the worst pick? No, but if it looks like Tyron is healthy enough that he can soldier on, spending a kick there doesn’t seem to be the right move.

Defense is going to have a lot of holes and a new DC and assistants isn’t going to fix itself.

I wouldn't mind the pick even if Smith is healthy. Move him to LG. If Smith goes down again, bump him out. Then release Smith next season and keep the cap savings to fill in defense.
As we all know, this league is built on offense now. Keep the Oline as a strength and protect your future $40 million QB (no matter how some of us feel about that)
 

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Find me a team that has spent as much draft capital on the OL as we have with such middling overall team success?

If they take Slater at 10, that's 4 first round picks, a second and 2 third round picks in the last 10 drafts. I haven't looked, but I suspect there aren't many, if any, teams that have put that much draft capital into their OLs over the same period.................... to get the results we have gotten over the last decade.

That's not to say the OL isn't very important but this franchise has to figure out how to build an OL without throwing a ton of assets at it. Other teams have done it, why can't we?
 

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I wouldn't mind the pick even if Smith is healthy. Move him to LG. If Smith goes down again, bump him out. Then release Smith next season and keep the cap savings to fill in defense.
As we all know, this league is built on offense now. Keep the Oline as a strength and protect your future $40 million QB (no matter how some of us feel about that)

All valid points and I cannot disagree. However, we have to be smart in free agency to fill some holes as well
 

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Absolutely. Doesn't have to be 10. And it doesn't even have to be this year.

Imagine thinking the NFL Draft works on your timetable.

Well, we'll just take an OT when we absolutely have to have one and there will be a really good one available for us at that time. What could go wrong?
 

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Imagine thinking the NFL Draft works on your timetable.

Well, we'll just take an OT when we absolutely have to have one and there will be a really good one available for us at that time. What could go wrong?

No different than how every other need on this roster gets addressed
 

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I’d take an OT over a CB at 10 any day

Man, the value that's going to be there at 10, just may not line up with that. I really haven't watched much college football or paid too much attention to draft rankings, but it seems most of the value ahead of where we pick are positions we won't be picking.

We aren't picking any of the QBs. Regardless of anyone's opinion on Dak, it's just not realistic to suggest we do at 10, So Lawrence, Fields and Wilson won't slip that far but if we're lucky, some team takes Lance before 10 pushing down a non QB.

We also won't be taking WR, so DeVonta Smith and Ja'Marr Chase won't be the pick, but again, in the realm of we're lucky, a third WR, say Jaylen Waddle goes top 10, but I think the 4th QB is more likely.

Just off of value, we know Penei Sewell will go before 10. I'm inclined to say Micah Parsons does as well, but I don't know how sitting out the season will effect his stock.

So just looking at CBS, the value there at 10 will be Kwity Paye (I don't know why they have him ranked this high, can't see him going in the top 20 to be honest). Kyler Pitts, who I'd take, despite the belly aching that would ensue hear. Jaylen Waddle, who we just won't pick. Caleb Farley and Patrick Surtain are kinda ranked right in there at 11th and 13th overall.

After them? Gregory Rousseau, who is similar to Parsons imo. Huge sophomore season, but sat out, not sure how his draft stock will be effected, but is certainly a guy I'd consider. Wyatt Davis and Rashawn Slater, two o-linemen, one who has played exclusively at guard and one who likely will be a guard in the NFL as well. I'd give them consideration as well, as I think upgrading at LG is a huge need, but am I more likely to find a quality guard later or a quality DB later?

And after them, it's really more WRs and guards/second tier tackles. Just not a good draft for top end defensive talent outside the two CBs to be honest.
 

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I think many are fooling themselves that Offensive Tackle isn't a top need. Clearly our OL is starting to age, first Frederick retires, then Tyron/Collins miss almost the entire season, where even Zach Martin missed many games. Selecting a player like Slater isn't a luxury like many think, but rather an important need.

Even with an excellent off-season, this team still will be relied upon on their offense to carry them. What I saw last season, against the good teams, they couldn't run, struggled to protect. This team is about to make a huge investment with their franchise QB, they will make it a priority to keep him safe.

Team has 10 draft picks to bring in reinforcements for the defense. Not saying they must use the 1st rd pick to address the OL need, but could be in discussion every pick there after.

So everyone in here would pass on a future pro-bowl guard/tackle for a slow CB in a cover-3 scheme? :rolleyes:

Just remember we will have to face Chase Young for the next decade :rolleyes:

These two comments reveal our draft strategy.

Dak is going to be resigned.

And if so, we're going to have to protect his left side. And protect it for years now that Chase Young resides in the NFC East.

Furthermore, we gave Zeke all that money so we need to open holes for him.

Moreover, we gave Amari all that money and drafted Cee Dee Lamb, and Jerry believes in getting a return on his investments.

Face it, as much as guys want defense, Jerry and company LOVE offense.

So the pick is going to be Slater or Sewell if either is available.

Get used to it. The tea leaves have already spoken. Read them right.
 
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