Prescott/Goff/Wentz Last 48 games (3 season equiv.)

[blueblood70]

If anyone is curious.

With Wentz falling off a cliff this year, I was wondering how the three main 2016 QBs numbers compared after the last 48 games or 3 full seasons equivalent

Here are the results

Passer rating

1. Prescott 95.63
2. Goff 93.25
3. Wentz 92.44

Passing yards

1. Goff 13579
2. Prescott 12775
3. Wentz 11931

Passing TDs-Ints

1. Wentz 57 (91-34)
2. Prescott 40 (72-32)
3. Goff 39 (80-41)

YPA

1. Prescott 7.7
2. Goff 7.6
3. Wentz 6.9

I suspect that if we ran these numbers for all starting QBs over their last 3 season equivalent, we'd find all three of these guys in the 12-18 range in the league, but Dak would come out in the lead by a somewhat small margin.

Just passing along raw data.
Make with it what you want

ive said from day 1 they are coin flip there is no clear whos better as they all played in very different situations but as talent goes all pretty much lumped together..fans here want to claim dak a victory im more clear headed and not homer..they all have upside sand warts all pretty much a coin toss to whose actually better..

tier 2 qbs around 8-12 in the league that what they are.,that pretty good rams and eagles have lost their minds with trades they arent benefiting much from and here we sit with dak not having yet overpaid him..stay tuned.

 

[NorthTexan95]

This thread has no agenda one way or the other. I was just curious how it would shake out.
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Then why only 48 games? Seems like you're cherry picking stats.

 

[USArmyVet]

Main difference? Goff and Wentz havent consistently elevated their game year to year.

Dak stock was and is rising. Similar stats, way different trajectory.

Elevation of personal stats while the team was heading on the decline is nothing to brag about.

 

[reddyuta]

Huh? Goff and Wentz are solely being unloaded because of their ridiculous contracts. No way to spin that any other way. Goff and Wentz are not worth $30M+. I doubt the Rams think Stafford (minus 2 1st round picks) and the Eagles think Hurts will lead them to the promised land in the next two years.

at the time of the resigning of both these QBs both the teams were loaded and were super bowl contenders.the precipitous drop off in their play is the main reason they are being offloaded.if they think these QBs cant lead them to the SB then there is no reason to retain them.

 

[DFWJC]

Then why only 48 games? Seems like you're cherry picking stats.

Last 3 years... any further back has little bearing on today (see Wentz) but only taking one year is too small a sample.

I guess we could do what some statisticians do and devalue each year back by a certain percent...say 10-20% per year.
It's why Cam Newton isn't offered 40 million a year....lol.
Recent data is far more important.

 

[pete026]

It sure is interesting? So interesting I had to check it out myself. This is what I found out:

For their careers which happen to be within 1 game total and really only add about one season (Dak 69, Wentz 68).

Passer Rating
Dak 97.3
Wentz 89.2

Pass Yards
Dak 17,634
Wentz 16,811

Total Tds/Ints/Fum/TO Diff
Dak 130/40/34/56
Wentz 121/50/58/13

YPA
Dak 7.7
Wentz 6.7

I am sure there is some significance to 48 games for evaluations?

One might be to go back just far enough to pick up the best part of the Wentz career but just far enough to miss out on one of Dak's best seasons.

Edit: Wentz 60 ints were 50. Stubby fingers.

 

[locked&loaded]

Elevation of personal stats while the team was heading on the decline is nothing to brag about.

Well he touches the ball more than anyone on the field...so, seems like a pretty sure way to elevate your team.

But i guess youd prefer he stinks while they lose? At least that would give you ammo for your dak hate shotgun that you blast off with a wide spread any chance you get.

Dak turns 28 this year. We have had historically bad defenses and put him behind an O-line that is a shell of itself compared to a few years back. He is about to enter the prime of his career after transitioning from a game manager to a true passer. His accuracy has been refined and hes developed an objectively dangerous deep ball. He is a top 8 qb in this league.

Im from the midwest. Ive seen Rodgers lose without help, repeatedly. You can win with a top 10 qb. Dont blow it up looking for the next mvp, this isnt the nba.

 

[DFWJC]

It sure is interesting? So interesting I had to check it out myself. This is what I found out:

For their careers which happen to be within 1 game total and really only add about one season (Dak 69, Wentz 68).

Passer Rating
Dak 97.3
Wentz 89.2

Pass Yards
Dak 17,634
Wentz 16,811

Total Tds/Ints/Fum/TO Diff
Dak 130/40/34/56
Wentz 121/60/58/13

YPA
Dak 7.7
Wentz 6.7

I am sure there is some significance to 48 games for evaluations?

One might be to go back just far enough to pick up the best part of the Wentz career but just far enough to miss out on one of Dak's best seasons.

Do whatever you want.
I think the more recent you are, the more relevant the data.

It's why, for example, Tannehill or Newton 5-6 years ago does not reflect them now.....and I promise you that is how GMs look at it.

If you disagree, that's completely fine.

 

[pete026]

Do whatever you want.
I think the more recent you are, the more relevant the data.

It's why, for example, Tannehill or Newton 5-6 years ago does not reflect them now.....and I promise you that is how GMs look at it.

If you disagree, that's completely fine.

I definitely agree with looking at more recent play and also, minimizing an off year like last year for Wentz (can't think of anything better than minimize). I don't believe he is as bad as he looked last year. But the 48 games dropoff was odd considering the way their careers started.

 

[DFWJC]

I definitely agree with looking at more recent play and also, isolating an off year like last year for Wentz. I don't believe he is as bad as he looked last year. But the 48 games dropoff was odd considering the way their careers started.

3 years was kind of a median.
5 years was too far back and 1 year not enough, so I just split it and chose 3.

 

[Redline360]

Just another example signing Dak to a crippling contract moving forward is a horrible idea.

 

[Corso]

Elevation of personal stats while the team was heading on the decline is nothing to brag about.

Not to defend any individual, but that sounds like a team problem.

 

[Kevinicus]

Sure, if you are a complete moron.

You think Wentz's team was anywhere in the realm of comparable to the other two?

Interesting.

 

[Kevinicus]

Does it

Comparable numbers with a MUCH MUCH worse supporting cast? I'd say it does.

 

[Kingofholland]

Would anyone have pulled the trigger trigger if it was Dak for Goff in a deal identical to what the Lions got?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Would anyone have pulled the trigger trigger if it was Dak for Goff in a deal identical to what the Lions got?

You bet. I would have took the two first round picks easily.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The point is that aside from his fan club absolutely no one would care if Dak threw for 10000 yards a season if the team still finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

Funny how you didn't feel the same towards Romo.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Huh? Goff and Wentz are solely being unloaded because of their ridiculous contracts. No way to spin that any other way. Goff and Wentz are not worth $30M+. I doubt the Rams think Stafford (minus 2 1st round picks) and the Eagles think Hurts will lead them to the promised land in the next two years.

How much are the Rams going to pay Stafford per year?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Why did you leave out win / loss records? Some of us don't care about Dak's stats because they're not resulting in enough quality wins. They only only look good for Dak and his crusade to score a new contract.


Here you go, win / loss records for the last 3 seasons. Not so impressive, is it?

Wentz - 17-21-1
Goff - 31-16
Dak - 20-17

Lets throw in playoff records while we're on the subject of Dak and his impressive statistical accomplishments:

Dak - 1-3
Wentz - 0-1, he was injured his rookie season and missed the playoffs and super bowl
Goff - 4-2, which includes a loss in the super bowl

Nice try but Dak can't have 3 losses in the playoffs even he has only been twice. Can't lose twice in 1 year in the playoffs

 

[TwoCentPlain]

How much are the Rams going to pay Stafford per year?

I believe Stafford's salary is $20M per year for the next two years.