Give Dak a nonexclusive franchise tag

[OmerV]

Interesting take, if viewed from the fact they should have signed him last year for 40 million and he then goes on to prove himself as “all-world” like a Mahomes QB, coming off a broken leg’, as of its likely. A one-time cap hit is not the same as a multiple year contract that affects the cap overall, but I haven’t done those numbers and maybe you have and think it’s better. I’d be interested in hearing your take on this point specifically.

Remember, it was Dak that rejected the original offer in 2018 and he wanted a 40 million deal, so blaming the Jones doesn’t work if your not blaming Dak for rejecting the original deal, especially considering if Stephen didn’t go out and get Amari to bail Dak out, Dak would probably be looking for a job somewhere else.

All of this assumes Dak is that legit, and the Jones clearly don’t believe it.

What was the deal Dak rejected in 2018? How do we know it wasn't an effort by the team to get Dak on a lowball deal, and if we don't know that how can we blame Dak for rejecting it?

Also, where are you getting that Dak wanted $40 million? That wasn't what was being reported. Most reporting indicated he was looking at the range of $32-35 million, and the hangup wasn't over the money, but over the term - he wanted a 4 year deal and the team wanted a 5 year deal.

I love the narrative about how getting Cooper was the team bailing Dak out …. as if it was Dak's fault that the team went into the season with a poor excuse for a receiving unit. There wasn't a front line player in the bunch. Beasley was the closest thing to a #1 the team had, and while he is good at what he does, he isn't a #1 WR. Every other receiver, including at TE, was either a has been, a never was, or a young developmental guy. So why isn't the narrative that the team management was trying to bail themselves out for doing such a lousy job of gathering talent at the position?

 

[khiladi]

Dak fired his agent and hired Todd France right after they made it “Dak-friendly” and Dez was the scapegoat. The GREEDY France is the guy all the Dak-stans blame for his current contract troubles.

Dez was cut in April.

Dak makes the proclamation in May the team doesn’t need a number 1. Of course all this was predicated on the idea Dez was forcing Dak to throw him the ball. Further, the idea was that it also affected Beasley’s production when he was open.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-league-necessarily-needs-a-no-1-receiver/

Dak fired his agent and hired Todd France in August.
Yep, we surely going to buy the story Dak didn’t think 2018 without Dez and an offense tailored specifically to him wasn’t going to be the reason for extra millions.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ches-agent-to-todd-france-from-jeff-guerriero

Yeah, keep believing that Dak didn’t think he’d light it up without Dez and no number-1, especially considering the 2016 production of Beasley and Dak often telling us how he doesn’t force the ball to WRs.

We'll get him the ball as it comes up in our offense," Prescott said, per Jon Machota of the Dallas Morning News. "We're not gonna single out and say Dez has to get the ball on this play."

This FO has stood by Dak’s mediocrity for years.
And Dak did this Todd France move right after his 2017-2018 season. It was Jerry that defended him after his train wreck of a season in 2017. And they still played him in games to give him developmental experience, while resting others. So this idea that the FO didn’t provide for Dak, who wasted prime talent on this team, is a joke.

“He obviously didn't have the year stat wise, or we didn't have the most important one of all is we didn't win the games that we won his first year,” Jones said. “This is truly, truly — I saw in the Wall Street Journal, of all places, about evaluating high school quarterbacks as well as college quarterbacks when they come into the pros. It's truly a position that the intangible that says just win the game. Get the job done in the face of adversity. Just get it done.

“I can't tell you how excited I am about our future with Dak Prescott on getting the job done, winning games. Now, he's got to have some serious help. He's got to have it from the scheme. He's got to have it from everything we call on because it's that competitive in the NFL.”

 

[OmerV]

Dak fired his agent and hired Todd France right after they made it “Dak-friendly” and Dez was the scapegoat. The GREEDY France is the guy all the Dak-stans blame for his current contract troubles.

Dez was cut in April.

Dak makes the proclamation in May the team doesn’t need a number 1. Of course all this was predicated on the idea Dez was forcing Dak to throw him the ball. Further, the idea was that it also affected Beasley’s production when he was open.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-league-necessarily-needs-a-no-1-receiver/

Dak fired his agent and hired Todd France in August.
Yep, we surely going to buy the story Dak didn’t think 2018 without Dez and an offense tailored specifically to him wasn’t going to be the reason for extra millions.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ches-agent-to-todd-france-from-jeff-guerriero

Yeah, keep believing that Dak didn’t think he’d light it up without Dez and no number-1, especially considering the 2016 production of Beasley and Dak often telling us how he doesn’t force the ball to WRs.

It doesn't matter if Dak "thought" the team would be fine without quality WR's or TEs - people think things all the time that they find to be wrong. Hell, he may well have been very concerned, but saying the right things for the media, but even if he believed the it, he was wrong.

The reality is an NFL team needs to provide the tools for a QB to work with. What NFL QB's have big years with the kind of receivers the Cowboys played half the 2018 season with?

 

[khiladi]

It actually does matter what the people thought BEFORE making the decision, including Dak, the Jones and Dak-stans on this forum, because when it fails, then the same guys claiming the tools were provided, look ridiculously absurd when the tools are blamed after it fails.

Gettong Cooper is the very definition of bailing Dak out for Dak, the guy asking for all this money and using words like disrespectful in an interview pretending things like this didn’t happen, despite Jerry sticking by him after 2017. It’s also the very definition of bailing out to the Jones, who dig the checks, and Dak-stans who live in denial after the fact. That is the narrative and it is true.

 

[OmerV]

It actually does matter what the people thought BEFORE making the decision, including Dak, the Jones and Dak-stans on this forum, because when it fails, then the same guys claiming the tools were provided, look ridiculously absurd when the tools are blamed after it fails.

Gettong Cooper is the very definition of bailing Dak out for Dak, the guy asking for all this money and using words like disrespectful in an interview pretending things like this didn’t happen, despite Jerry sticking by him after 2017. It’s also the very definition of bailing out to the Jones, who dig the checks, and Dak-stans who live in denial after the fact. That is the narrative and it is true.

That makes zero sense because Dak didn't make the decision on the receivers. The team did that. The team is responsible for providing the tools, not the QB.

 

[OmerV]

No, the team makes decisions with input from the QB, as well as taking into account his skill-set and the coaches as well. The fact the team supported even after his garbage play in 2017 and gave him game-time throughout to develop also shows Dak playing the respect game in the media is comical. The fact Dak hired France after these moves and still went on live TV and bashed the dude who gave up draft picks to bail him out while he was setting Quincy Carter levels of futility saying it was about respect makes plenty of sense regarding what the narrative actually is.

That's nonsense. Hell, the team chased Sammy Watkins - do you think they didn't get him because Dak told them no? The Cowboys got outbid.

Hell, TO was acquired without the Cowboys consulting Bill Parcells, and now you are trying to argue that Dak dictated who the 2018 receivers would be?

Even if that nonsense was true, it doesn't make an iota of sense to suggest Dak would advise the team he didn't want quality receiving options. No NFL QB would do that.

Ultimately the Cowboys assumed they could make something happen and failed at it, and after the fact Dak was just trying to put a good face on it.

 

[Steve007]

Should've transition tagged him last year.

His "market value" would've been set by the market then Dallas could've decided to match or not. Problem solved.

Your absolutely right. I don't understand the Jones. They think Dak is asking too much, but they could have used the non-exclusive tag last year and he could have tested the market and the Cowboys could have matched or get 2 first round picks.

 

[Bluechillychild]

Everyone repeat after me.

Dak Prescott will be playing somewhere in the NFL in 2021. Mark my words.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Interesting take, if viewed from the fact they should have signed him last year for 40 million and he then goes on to prove himself as “all-world” like a Mahomes QB, coming off a broken leg’, as of its likely. A one-time cap hit is not the same as a multiple year contract that affects the cap overall, but I haven’t done those numbers and maybe you have and think it’s better. I’d be interested in hearing your take on this point specifically.

Remember, it was Dak that rejected the original offer in 2018 and he wanted a 40 million deal, so blaming the Jones doesn’t work if your not blaming Dak for rejecting the original deal, especially considering if Stephen didn’t go out and get Amari to bail Dak out, Dak would probably be looking for a job somewhere else.

All of this assumes Dak is that legit, and the Jones clearly don’t believe it.

If the Jones' don't believe Dak is legit then they shouldn't have even offered the contract that was on the table last year. If they don't think Dak is legit they should have gotten more promising developmental qbs. Dak supposedly backed out of a handshake deal. But if true I don't blame him. I would expect the same from the Cowboys if Dak started playing that and was horrible. Obviously you aren't getting the same deal. I blame the Cowboys because the deal should have gotten done before the season even began. Until the deal is signed, you don't have one.

People act like signing a new deal means the Cowboys are stuck in a bad situation for five years. The Eagles already got it from under Wentz' contract and got a 3rd and 2nd for him. They have to eat dead money for one year and then they are clear. After two years the Cowboys still want Dak so they would be in an even better situation than the Eagles. They would have Dak under contract this season and if they wanted to move on next season they could with little or no dead money.

I think the way contracts work in the NFL incentivizes taking chances on signing those big deals sooner rather than later. If you hit, they you have a great player at somewhat of a discount for 5 years. If you miss you can get out from under the contract after 3 years. Is not like the NBA where the contracts are fully guaranteed. Waiting later to sign means that the front office has more info to make a decision, but it gives the player the opportunity to increase their asking price after a good season. You're hedging your bets but you can't get any real wins that way. They did the same thing with D Law. Would have cost $17 million per year, he plays on the tag. Next year negotiations go up to $21 million a year. Possibly did the same thing with Amari as well.

I think the Cowboys need to do a better job deciding who to pay and who to let walk. Their strategy seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom. You play hardball with the qb, wr, edge, and likely will end up paying more for all three because of it. Let a corner walk, but then pay a running back and linebacker early (especially Jaylon who only had one good season).

 

[Chuck 54]

They should’ve done this last year.

Dallas constantly gives themselves no leverage..

I don’t know if they are trying to negotiate like honorable gentlemen in hopes of a discount but Todd France is making them look like fools.

You lose leverage by doing that. Any team can make a crazy offer. The exclusive tag is where the team has the leverage because the player has zero leverage.

Doesn’t mean non-exclusive isn’t better, but it’s not about leverage.

 

[Flamma]

If the Jones' don't believe Dak is legit then they shouldn't have even offered the contract that was on the table last year. If they don't think Dak is legit they should have gotten more promising developmental qbs. Dak supposedly backed out of a handshake deal. But if true I don't blame him. I would expect the same from the Cowboys if Dak started playing that and was horrible. Obviously you aren't getting the same deal. I blame the Cowboys because the deal should have gotten done before the season even began. Until the deal is signed, you don't have one.

People act like signing a new deal means the Cowboys are stuck in a bad situation for five years. The Eagles already got it from under Wentz' contract and got a 3rd and 2nd for him. They have to eat dead money for one year and then they are clear. After two years the Cowboys still want Dak so they would be in an even better situation than the Eagles. They would have Dak under contract this season and if they wanted to move on next season they could with little or no dead money.

I think the way contracts work in the NFL incentivizes taking chances on signing those big deals sooner rather than later. If you hit, they you have a great player at somewhat of a discount for 5 years. If you miss you can get out from under the contract after 3 years. Is not like the NBA where the contracts are fully guaranteed. Waiting later to sign means that the front office has more info to make a decision, but it gives the player the opportunity to increase their asking price after a good season. You're hedging your bets but you can't get any real wins that way. They did the same thing with D Law. Would have cost $17 million per year, he plays on the tag. Next year negotiations go up to $21 million a year. Possibly did the same thing with Amari as well.

I think the Cowboys need to do a better job deciding who to pay and who to let walk. Their strategy seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom. You play hardball with the qb, wr, edge, and likely will end up paying more for all three because of it. Let a corner walk, but then pay a running back and linebacker early (especially Jaylon who only had one good season).

They had to have had doubts with Dak. Quarterbacks usually get their extensions after their 3rd year. I'm guessing it's what they saw before Cooper arrived. If that was Patrick Mahomes, do you think Jerry doesn't sign him after 2018?

There is an incentive to signing players, especially quarterbacks after their 3rd year. It's mainly cap related. Sign after 3 years and the player still has either 1 or 2 years left on his rookie deal that he plays out before the extension and big caps hits go into effect. That also provides more time for the cap to grow before the extension starts. You can also dump bonus money on those rookie years to further help cap hits. But it doesn't do much to help you get out of a contract. The Devil is in the details as far as that's concerned.

The Eagles got lucky with Wentz. They had to trade him just to get to a 33 million dead cap. If they had to release him it would have been 61 million. Now that is truly ridiculous.

 

[jaythecowboy]

They had to have had doubts with Dak. Quarterbacks usually get their extensions after their 3rd year. I'm guessing it's what they saw before Cooper arrived. If that was Patrick Mahomes, do you think Jerry doesn't sign him after 2018?

There is an incentive to signing players, especially quarterbacks after their 3rd year. It's mainly cap related. Sign after 3 years and the player still has either 1 or 2 years left on his rookie deal that he plays out before the extension and big caps hits go into effect. That also provides more time for the cap to grow before the extension starts. You can also dump bonus money on those rookie years to further help cap hits. But it doesn't do much to help you get out of a contract. The Devil is in the details as far as that's concerned.

The Eagles got lucky with Wentz. They had to trade him just to get to a 33 million dead cap. If they had to release him it would have been 61 million. Now that is truly ridiculous.

Dumping bonus money in those rookie seasons do a lot to help you get out of a contract. Wentz got guaranteed over $100 million and hasn't even played any of the added years of the extension. Yet the Eagles were able to move on from him. Dak was only making $2 million that fourth year so the Cowboys could have dumped quite a bit of bonus money in that year. I don't think the Eagles got lucky. Maybe they were lucky to get as much as they did, but if they absolutely had to trade Wentz someone would give up a mid or late round pick.

 

[Flamma]

Dumping bonus money in those rookie seasons do a lot to help you get out of a contract. Wentz got guaranteed over $100 million and hasn't even played any of the added years of the extension. Yet the Eagles were able to move on from him. Dak was only making $2 million that fourth year so the Cowboys could have dumped quite a bit of bonus money in that year. I don't think the Eagles got lucky. Maybe they were lucky to get as much as they did, but if they absolutely had to trade Wentz someone would give up a mid or late round pick.

Yeah you're right. He didn't play a single year of his extension. What a waste.

 

[kevinhickey]

Sure, if you want to be the Commanders, Bears, Broncos, etc.

It is easily the dumbest thing the Cowboys could do. Easily.

We are playing like those teams you mentioned. It’s not the QB play that is holding us back; it’s the Cowboy culture that was created by the Jones family. Jerry the salesman is telling everyone he is selling you a Porsche sport car, but all your getting is a K car. Sorry K car lovers.

 

[blueblood70]

Dumping bonus money in those rookie seasons do a lot to help you get out of a contract. Wentz got guaranteed over $100 million and hasn't even played any of the added years of the extension. Yet the Eagles were able to move on from him. Dak was only making $2 million that fourth year so the Cowboys could have dumped quite a bit of bonus money in that year. I don't think the Eagles got lucky. Maybe they were lucky to get as much as they did, but if they absolutely had to trade Wentz someone would give up a mid or late round pick.

first OFF WRONG they gave ransom of draft picks to move up and get him, he was inured and declining n, they overpaid him, and got a bag of chips to move him after paying him and also used 2nd round pick on qb not trusting him..its like Buying stock you thought was going to go up and pay off at $5 a share and when it dropped to 3 you got scared and dumped it a $2 loss..umm company's dont feel good about this at all..its LLOSS b no matter how you sugar coat it

so he cost them a ton they made mistake and didnt easily move him , it hurt their franchise and jerry was smart to wait and see..now Dak turned the tables as his ego kicked in watching others get paid and now they are in a faceoff.Jones at and now watched all the #1 picks and many starters from 2016 on are all not on their original teams and you want him to be happy to pay Dak a ransom for what? once the price got over 35 i would be looking toward the future and its not being the next owner to make mistake at QB salary vS production , ie wins in the payoffs and big games..dak wants tio be paid let him get us to a CG or SB then get his hand back out..IMO he should have taken the first offers 2 years ago, proved his worth and jerry would have restructured and gave him new deal..hes not cheap..he does expect some gratitude in team friendly deal and daks the only player in Jerrys tenure to spit in jerry face on that and im thinking that was it..

you do realize Jonses and the DC FO and organization have far more of handle on the Cap, negotiating, contracts, and have plan for Dak..they dont see it as costing them more money..they wanted dak in more team friendly deal and if they need to move on from him after 2021 so be it..

someone will blink or 2022 will look like new team because im betting AC, Zeke, JS, and others will be moved if Daks not here.. they better look at 2021 if dak plays on the tag as an all in year and truly go for it..take some risks on FAS and lets go for it..

 

[jaythecowboy]

first OFF WRONG they gave ransom of draft picks to move up and get him, he was inured and declining n, they overpaid him, and got a bag of chips to move him after paying him and also used 2nd round pick on qb not trusting him..its like Buying stock you thought was going to go up and pay off at $5 a share and when it dropped to 3 you got scared and dumped it a $2 loss..umm company's dont feel good about this at all..its LLOSS b no matter how you sugar coat it

so he cost them a ton they made mistake and didnt easily move him , it hurt their franchise and jerry was smart to wait and see..now Dak turned the tables as his ego kicked in watching others get paid and now they are in a faceoff.Jones at and now watched all the #1 picks and many starters from 2016 on are all not on their original teams and you want him to be happy to pay Dak a ransom for what? once the price got over 35 i would be looking toward the future and its not being the next owner to make mistake at QB salary vS production , ie wins in the payoffs and big games..dak wants tio be paid let him get us to a CG or SB then get his hand back out..IMO he should have taken the first offers 2 years ago, proved his worth and jerry would have restructured and gave him new deal..hes not cheap..he does expect some gratitude in team friendly deal and daks the only player in Jerrys tenure to spit in jerry face on that and im thinking that was it..

you do realize Jonses and the DC FO and organization have far more of handle on the Cap, negotiating, contracts, and have plan for Dak..they dont see it as costing them more money..they wanted dak in more team friendly deal and if they need to move on from him after 2021 so be it..

someone will blink or 2022 will look like new team because im betting AC, Zeke, JS, and others will be moved if Daks not here.. they better look at 2021 if dak plays on the tag as an all in year and truly go for it..take some risks on FAS and lets go for it..

The draft capital the Eagles spent trading up for Wentz was irrelevant to the point I was making. I was referring to Wentz's extension and how the Eagles were able to get away from that deal relatively easily (even potentially getting a 1st round pick in the process). The draft capital the Eagles traded for the #2 pick before the 2016 draft is a sunk cost. Even more irrelevant to the conversation because the Cowboys didn't trade up for Dak.

 

[khiladi]

If the Jones' don't believe Dak is legit then they shouldn't have even offered the contract that was on the table last year. If they don't think Dak is legit they should have gotten more promising developmental qbs. Dak supposedly backed out of a handshake deal. But if true I don't blame him. I would expect the same from the Cowboys if Dak started playing that and was horrible. Obviously you aren't getting the same deal. I blame the Cowboys because the deal should have gotten done before the season even began. Until the deal is signed, you don't have one.

People act like signing a new deal means the Cowboys are stuck in a bad situation for five years. The Eagles already got it from under Wentz' contract and got a 3rd and 2nd for him. They have to eat dead money for one year and then they are clear. After two years the Cowboys still want Dak so they would be in an even better situation than the Eagles. They would have Dak under contract this season and if they wanted to move on next season they could with little or no dead money.

I think the way contracts work in the NFL incentivizes taking chances on signing those big deals sooner rather than later. If you hit, they you have a great player at somewhat of a discount for 5 years. If you miss you can get out from under the contract after 3 years. Is not like the NBA where the contracts are fully guaranteed. Waiting later to sign means that the front office has more info to make a decision, but it gives the player the opportunity to increase their asking price after a good season. You're hedging your bets but you can't get any real wins that way. They did the same thing with D Law. Would have cost $17 million per year, he plays on the tag. Next year negotiations go up to $21 million a year. Possibly did the same thing with Amari as well.

I think the Cowboys need to do a better job deciding who to pay and who to let walk. Their strategy seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom. You play hardball with the qb, wr, edge, and likely will end up paying more for all three because of it. Let a corner walk, but then pay a running back and linebacker early (especially Jaylon who only had one good season).

The Jones have already explained their philosophy. They don't think Dak is 'legit' in a Mahomes or even Romo sense, they think Dak can win them games when he is surrounded by the talent. That's why they went with Dak after Romo, because Dak was on a rookie contract and it was much cheaper. The Cowboys released Romo, instead of letting him retire, because they saved money to add to the roster.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...-cap-implications-possible-return-free-agent/

Then the disaster of 2017 happened, but considering Smith got hurt and Zeke got suspended, they thought that was enough to justify Dak's garbage play. They also then released Dez, who was also EXPENSIVE, and was the scape-goat, because he was supposedly 'making' Dak force the ball to him. Of course this all really started when Dak blamed Dez for a pass he threw behind him that led to an INT and Dak said after the game, that maybe he needs to throw it at the helmet. Of course Dak conveniently forgets his sailing a basic drop off pass to a wide open Zeke that went right into the hands of a defender on Seattle who returned it for a TD. Then Jones comes out and says Dez can basically be a distraction for the teammates.

But in reality, it was about money. Stephen said outright Dez wasn't living up to the salary. And people forget to mention that Dez was set to cost 16.5 million against the cap for that production.

So if you want to know why the Jones have been suffering in major delusion regarding Dak, then it goes back to 2016 success of the team, in which they didn't even have Zeke play in the final game, but gave Dak time to develop and so on. And now they are stuck, like they were stuck with Jason Garrett. It was Dak that basically spit in the face of Jerry with his 'respect' comments, not the other way around. This organization did everything in it's power to baby-sit Dak along his way to all these 'paper-tiger' stats that don't win anything.

PLUS, after making the offense "Dak-friendly", despite it taking Dak a week to throw a TD in training camp, Dak rejected the extension of 30 million. And then Dak looks completely like a wash without Cooper, despite how good the OL and RG were at the time, which manifested itself in the Seattle play-off game. So the Cowboys then went and got Cooper and actually fired Linehan the off-season, who in reality won the Seattle game for them with the run game, because Dak couldn't hit the broad-side of a barn against zone coverages and when teams started shifting help on the side on Cooper. And then Dak asks for some ridiculous amount and balks as soon as Jerry franchises him, after seeing all this. So this idea Dak was some victim to the greedy Jones boys is ironic.

 

[khiladi]

That's nonsense. Hell, the team chased Sammy Watkins - do you think they didn't get him because Dak told them no? The Cowboys got outbid.

Hell, TO was acquired without the Cowboys consulting Bill Parcells, and now you are trying to argue that Dak dictated who the 2018 receivers would be?

Even if that nonsense was true, it doesn't make an iota of sense to suggest Dak would advise the team he didn't want quality receiving options. No NFL QB would do that.

Ultimately the Cowboys assumed they could make something happen and failed at it, and after the fact Dak was just trying to put a good face on it.

First of all, Watkins was offered a deal before they even released Dez and his future was still up in the air. Second, Watkins was horrible with the Rams. Third, no, the Cowboys actually offered more for Watkins, who actually took less to play with the Chiefs and was the number 3 option, because of the chance at a SB, instead of playing in this 'high-powered' offense. Fourth, they then went and got Hurns after Watkins rejected the offer. Fifth, they then released Dez and this was pretty much a rumor anyways and Dez was already called a distraction by Jerry after the Seattle game and when Dak tells us how he should have thrown it at Dez's helmet, blaming Dez. Dak was sure putting a 'good face on it' then. My favorite part of this all was how the Dak-stans on this forum was telling us how much this offense is going to improve with Hurns, since Dez is no longer a distraction for Dak.

Sixth, no Dak wasn't putting a good face on it, he fired his agent and hired Todd France and turned down a 30 million dollar extension.

They were already setting the stage to make the offense "Dak-friendly". The fact you brought up the TO argument, from years ago, a TO that Jerry released because of his negative impact on the QB and offense and in the same context a Dez being released and being a negative impact on Dak is pretty ironic.

 

[OmerV]

First of all, Watkins was offered a deal before they even released Dez and his future was still up in the air. Second, Watkins was horrible with the Rams. Third, no, the Cowboys actually offered more for Watkins, who actually took less to play with the Chiefs and was the number 3 option, because of the chance at a SB, instead of playing in this 'high-powered' offense. Fourth, they then went and got Hurns after Watkins rejected the offer. Fifth, they then released Dez and this was pretty much a rumor anyways and Dez was already called a distraction by Jerry after the Seattle game and when Dak tells us how he should have thrown it at Dez's helmet, blaming Dez. Dak was sure putting a 'good face on it' then. My favorite part of this all was how the Dak-stans on this forum was telling us how much this offense is going to improve with Hurns, since Dez is no longer a distraction for Dak.

Sixth, no Dak wasn't putting a good face on it, he fired his agent and hired Todd France and turned down a 30 million dollar extension.

They were already setting the stage to make the offense "Dak-friendly". The fact you brought up the TO argument, from years ago, a TO that Jerry released because of his negative impact on the QB and offense and in the same context a Dez being released and being a negative impact on Dak is pretty ironic.

Do you not understand you just hurt your own argument. If Watkins was offered a deal wile they still had Dez that just further shows how concerned the Cowboys were with upgrading at WR You have been arguing as if the team was happy going into the season without Dez or other quality receivers or TES - and that Dak was the reason for it - but you jut proved the opposite

As for Watkins not playing well with the Rams,it's laughable you would even pretend that hindsight knowledge a year after the fact has any bearing on what the Cowboys - and Rams for that matter - were pursuing Watkins for a year before. The Cowboys were willing to give a big contract to Watkins, and the Rams gave him an even bigger one, so clearly both teams pursued him in an effort to upgrade the position.

As for Hurns, yes, they went and got him -- a desperate attempt to salvage something with guy who last had a quality season 3 years before that. The Cowboys were struggling for anything they could latch onto because the choices were limited.

And still, none of this proves your assertion that Dak is the one who dictated who the team would sign, or that he advised the team that he didn't need high quality receivers. That's your biggest stretch of all.

 

[khiladi]

Do you not understand you just hurt your own argument. If Watkins was offered a deal wile they still had Dez that just further shows how concerned the Cowboys were with upgrading at WR You have been arguing as if the team was happy going into the season without Dez or other quality receivers or TES - and that Dak was the reason for it - but you jut proved the opposite

As for Watkins not playing well with the Rams,it's laughable you would even pretend that hindsight knowledge a year after the fact has any bearing on what the Cowboys - and Rams for that matter - were pursuing Watkins for a year before. The Cowboys were willing to give a big contract to Watkins, and the Rams gave him an even bigger one, so clearly both teams pursued him in an effort to upgrade the position.

As for Hurns, yes, they went and got him -- a desperate attempt to salvage something with guy who last had a quality season 3 years before that. The Cowboys were struggling for anything they could latch onto because the choices were limited.

And still, none of this proves your assertion that Dak is the one who dictated who the team would sign, or that he advised the team that he didn't need high quality receivers. That's your biggest stretch of all.

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Do you not understand that you completely argue nonsense when I clearly stated in my post that there were rumors they were going to release Dez anyways, especially since Jones called him a distraction while Dak was blaming him for an INT when he threw it behind Dez in Seattle? It doesn't undermine my argument, because they went ahead and released Dez AFTER making a play at Watkins, who was mediocre with the Rams, and AFTER they signed Hurns.

They weren't trying to upgrade for Dez, they were looking for a replacement for Dez and that too, with guys that were average at best for the "Dak-friendly" offense. Releasing Dez gave them more cap space in reality to sign more players even though it was Dak that completely sucked when Zeke and Smith went out.


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It's not hindsight when Sammy was playing for the Rams. Sammy Watkins sucked with the Rams and was not in any way considered on the level of Dez. Watkins was signed by the CHIEFS, even though Dallas offered him more in free agency. Look at your post... Your talking about the Rams, not the Chiefs where Sammy signed.

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Like I said, spin it any way you want, Dak dumped his agent and hired France, after all this had happened, while turning down a 30 million dollar extensions with this 'group of WRs' which you claim Dak didn't want and would be the reason he would suck and supposedly know that he would suck. "Smart business decision" based on your logic...