Mindblowing Surtain Stat

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His Fundamentals & Techniques are......

‘The Best for a DB coming out of College’
Todd McShay has seen since he started Scouting.

Those are his words during the National Championship.


his floor is really high, but Farley's ceiling is higher....we can't go wrong with Surtain, but if Farley meets his ceiling, he is an all pro every year.
 

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I don't see why Farley is seen as so "boom or bust" or "one hit wonder". He had a pretty good freshman year and a really good sophomore year, so he's put up 2 years of quality tape. Micah Parsons has a similar story, and no one calls him a one-hit wonder. Ja'Marr Chase only had one year, and no one questions him as a top draft pick.

The injuries are a big risk, but Farley's already shown the mix of tape and athleticism that you want to see in a high first rounder. There's a lot he's proven and not much to project.

Surtain makes Farley look risky by comparison, but it's more that Surtain is super, super polished than Farley really is some kind of athletic gamble pick. Surtain started 3 out of 3 years at Bama, won the Jim Thorpe award this season, allowed virtually no yardage, committed literally zero penalties, I don't think he ever missed a game with injury... his college resume is sparkling. It's difficult to even find ways to make it better.

People tend to lump Farley and Surtain into this "safe guy/gamble guy" dichotomy, but it's really more like "safe guy/super safe guy."
 
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I don't see why Farley is seen as so "boom or bust" or "one hit wonder". He had a pretty good freshman year and a really good sophomore year, so he's put up 2 years of quality tape. Micah Parsons has a similar story, and no one calls him a one-hit wonder. Ja'Marr Chase only had one year, and no one questions him as a top draft pick.

The injuries are a big risk, but Farley's already shown the mix of tape and athleticism that you want to see in a high first rounder. There's a lot he's proven and not much to project.

Surtain makes Farley look risky by comparison, but it's more that Surtain is super, super polished than Farley really is some kind of athletic gamble pick. Surtain started 3 out of 3 years at Bama, won the Jim Thorpe award this season, allowed virtually no yardage, committed literally zero penalties, I don't think he ever missed a game with injury... his college resume is sparkling. It's difficult to even find ways to make it better.

People tend to lump Farley and Surtain into this "safe guy/gamble guy" dichotomy, but it's really more like "safe guy/super safe guy."

That's actually a really good point. Farley is being typecast as Surtain's opposite (by fans, at least), which isn't fair to him as a prospect
 

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Surtain is my number 1 corner in this draft. A whole lot of what CB’s do in the NFL is based on technique, smarts, and strength... all things that Surtain is loaded down with.

I think his speed will be fine and you’re really not going to have a 6’1” or taller corner who has the Quicks to stay with a Tyreek Hill or a Cole Beasley, both who can change direction on a dime. Surtain will be playing outside and someone like Brown or Lewis will be playing those guys in the slot most of the time. The Slot corner must have quickness, IMO.

The outside WR’s can be burners (but less quickness) with deep speed but Surtain’s technique can go a long way towards limiting those guys. Besides, you’re going to have a safety over the top almost always if you have a dangerous speed WR running a 9 down the field.

Much of dealing with a guy like Tyreek Hill comes from the coach and their game planning.

Surtain has been playing corner his whole life, basically. The guy is rock solid.

100%
 

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I wonder if the one time was in 2018 when Clemson and Lawrence put up 44 points on them.

That was before Surtain even played for Alabama..

That Following year was his Frsshman Yr
 

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Best cornerback by far. Please run a slow 40 so teams will pass on him in front of us. 41 games at Alabama. The guy does not need to work out. Just tell teams look at my tape.

Exactly. 41 Games in the Sec and Constant Competition in the Playoffs. So played against the very best College Football had to Offer year in & Year out.
 

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I don't see why Farley is seen as so "boom or bust" or "one hit wonder". He had a pretty good freshman year and a really good sophomore year, so he's put up 2 years of quality tape. Micah Parsons has a similar story, and no one calls him a one-hit wonder. Ja'Marr Chase only had one year, and no one questions him as a top draft pick.

The injuries are a big risk, but Farley's already shown the mix of tape and athleticism that you want to see in a high first rounder. There's a lot he's proven and not much to project.

Surtain makes Farley look risky by comparison, but it's more that Surtain is super, super polished than Farley really is some kind of athletic gamble pick. Surtain started 3 out of 3 years at Bama, won the Jim Thorpe award this season, allowed virtually no yardage, committed literally zero penalties, I don't think he ever missed a game with injury... his college resume is sparkling. It's difficult to even find ways to make it better.

People tend to lump Farley and Surtain into this "safe guy/gamble guy" dichotomy, but it's really more like "safe guy/super safe guy."

This is another part people forget about! Surtain Commited next to no penalties his entire Career at Alabama. That’s unheard of for a Top Corner in this game nowadays unless his Technique & Fundamentals are Top-Notch!

Also completely Healthy and dedicated to the Game. As shown by him not Opting out of the year when he was already classified as a Top CB going into the year...
 

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That was before Surtain even played for Alabama..

That Following year was his Frsshman Yr
Not true


Both Lawrence and Surtain started for their teams in 2018, 2019, 2020

They faced each other in the National Championship game (for the 2018 season) on Jan 7, 2019

Clemson won 44-16 with both players starting and Lawrence as MVP
 

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At 10 I want a sure thing. Potential gets you fired. Whose ready to play Day 1. Loves football. Is not a druggie.. talented. Not hurt.. no drama.
 

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Honestly, this pick is stupid easy for us.

We need a starter at CB and Surtain is one of the best in the draft and played great against the best. He's literally been raised to play this game at this level.

He’d be a great selection. But if we’re going to invest $40+ million per year in Dak we should do our best to protect him. I have no faith in Tyron staying healthy.
If Slater or Sewell is there that’s my pick. And I was like you I’m saying Surtain is my pick until recently. We can grab a starting CB in round two.
 

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Surtain won't run a low 4.4 and so people are going to knock him but the reigning All Pro CBs
ran a 4.46 Jalen Ramsey and a
4.58 in Xavien Howard.

CB play is based so much off strength and technique, both of which Surtain has in spades.

Surtain was PFF's highest rated D1 CB this year.
I would be very happy with his selection.
He's not as likely to gamble for big plays as Diggs but plays with great technique.
Results are very Byron Jones like.
Xavien Howard played opposite of Byron Jones who hardly ever gets thrown at. So the guy saw a ton of passes and picked off ten. That's how he got all-pro. Surtain's biggest question beside speed is avg ball skills.
 

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I don't see why Farley is seen as so "boom or bust" or "one hit wonder". He had a pretty good freshman year and a really good sophomore year, so he's put up 2 years of quality tape. Micah Parsons has a similar story, and no one calls him a one-hit wonder. Ja'Marr Chase only had one year, and no one questions him as a top draft pick.

The injuries are a big risk, but Farley's already shown the mix of tape and athleticism that you want to see in a high first rounder. There's a lot he's proven and not much to project.

Surtain makes Farley look risky by comparison, but it's more that Surtain is super, super polished than Farley really is some kind of athletic gamble pick. Surtain started 3 out of 3 years at Bama, won the Jim Thorpe award this season, allowed virtually no yardage, committed literally zero penalties, I don't think he ever missed a game with injury... his college resume is sparkling. It's difficult to even find ways to make it better.

People tend to lump Farley and Surtain into this "safe guy/gamble guy" dichotomy, but it's really more like "safe guy/super safe guy."
I hate drafting the "safe" guy. You know why? Because the "safe" guy in the past that the Cowboys drafted was Bobby Carpenter.
 

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Xavien Howard played opposite of Byron Jones who hardly ever gets thrown at. So the guy saw a ton of passes and picked off ten. That's how he got all-pro. Surtain's biggest question beside speed is avg ball skills.
This is simply not true.
Byron wasn't healthy this year. He missed time and games. He was injured early and off the field.
He played about 100 less coverage/passing snaps than Howard.

Howard faced 101 targets and made 10 INT.
BJones faced 73 targets and made 2 INT.

But it isn't just INT.
Xavien allowed a 48.3 QB Rating.
Byron? an insanely poor 108.
Byron also missed a very poor 9 tackles. Xavien missed 6 with more targets and a lot more snaps played.

Byron may bounce back next year with good health but if so it'll be as the CB2 in Miami.

Ironically the reason Miami paid Byron was Howard had been injury prone early.
He was a Pro Bowler in 2018 then only played 5 games in 2019.
2020 marked only his 2nd 16 game season.
 

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I hate drafting the "safe" guy. You know why? Because the "safe" guy in the past that the Cowboys drafted was Bobby Carpenter.
The last 'safe guy' choice was Martin. Jerry was ready to go team chaos and draft Johnny before being bullied by Stephen and Will.

Bobby Carpenter wasn't about being safe but about Parcells having coached his Dad and knowing him since he was like 2.
It's not like the tape of Carpenter being rick-rolled by Vince Young didn't exist.
People just didn't think the NFL was going to present you many VY challenges.
 

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The last 'safe guy' choice was Martin. Jerry was ready to go team chaos and draft Johnny before being bullied by Stephen and Will.

Bobby Carpenter wasn't about being safe but about Parcells having coached his Dad and knowing him since he was like 2.
It's not like the tape of Carpenter being rick-rolled by Vince Young didn't exist.
People just didn't think the NFL was going to present you many VY challenges.
They didn't take Martin because he was the safe guy. They took him because all the defensive players they wanted were off the board from Aaron Donald to Ryan Shazier who was actually on the phone with the Cowboys when they all found out the steelers had already taken him. Last Man Standing.

All leading up to the Bobby Carpenter draft, all people could say is he was the safe pick. Manny Lawson was seen as the gamble because of his lack of weight. Lawson didn't up being a great pass rusher either but he had a longer career as a competent LB for the 49ers.
 

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They didn't take Martin because he was the safe guy. They took him because all the defensive players they wanted were off the board from Aaron Donald to Ryan Shazier who was actually on the phone with the Cowboys when they all found out the steelers had already taken him. Last Man Standing.

All leading up to the Bobby Carpenter draft, all people could say is he was the safe pick. Manny Lawson was seen as the gamble because of his lack of weight. Lawson didn't up being a great pass rusher either but he had a longer career as a competent LB for the 49ers.

When the choices are a guard from Notre Dame and Johnny Manziel, then yeah, Martin was the safe pick
 
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