Mindblowing Surtain Stat

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  1. CowboysFaninHouston

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    his floor is really high, but Farley's ceiling is higher....we can't go wrong with Surtain, but if Farley meets his ceiling, he is an all pro every year.
     
  2. beware_d-ware

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    I don't see why Farley is seen as so "boom or bust" or "one hit wonder". He had a pretty good freshman year and a really good sophomore year, so he's put up 2 years of quality tape. Micah Parsons has a similar story, and no one calls him a one-hit wonder. Ja'Marr Chase only had one year, and no one questions him as a top draft pick.

    The injuries are a big risk, but Farley's already shown the mix of tape and athleticism that you want to see in a high first rounder. There's a lot he's proven and not much to project.

    Surtain makes Farley look risky by comparison, but it's more that Surtain is super, super polished than Farley really is some kind of athletic gamble pick. Surtain started 3 out of 3 years at Bama, won the Jim Thorpe award this season, allowed virtually no yardage, committed literally zero penalties, I don't think he ever missed a game with injury... his college resume is sparkling. It's difficult to even find ways to make it better.

    People tend to lump Farley and Surtain into this "safe guy/gamble guy" dichotomy, but it's really more like "safe guy/super safe guy."
     
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  3. Gaede

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    That's actually a really good point. Farley is being typecast as Surtain's opposite (by fans, at least), which isn't fair to him as a prospect
     
  4. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    100%
     
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  5. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    This is true but how many in 2018 and 2020????
     
  6. acer941

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    That was before Surtain even played for Alabama..

    That Following year was his Frsshman Yr
     
  7. acer941

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    Exactly. 41 Games in the Sec and Constant Competition in the Playoffs. So played against the very best College Football had to Offer year in & Year out.
     
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  8. acer941

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    This is another part people forget about! Surtain Commited next to no penalties his entire Career at Alabama. That’s unheard of for a Top Corner in this game nowadays unless his Technique & Fundamentals are Top-Notch!

    Also completely Healthy and dedicated to the Game. As shown by him not Opting out of the year when he was already classified as a Top CB going into the year...
     
  9. Pessimist_cowboy

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    You’re getting a solid starting CB cheap for 5 years minimum. No brainer.
     
  10. CalPolyTechnique

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    Lol?

    He had two (2) INT as a freshman new to the position. He didn't play last year.

    Is there a profound point you're making?
     
  11. DFWJC

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    Not true


    Both Lawrence and Surtain started for their teams in 2018, 2019, 2020

    They faced each other in the National Championship game (for the 2018 season) on Jan 7, 2019

    Clemson won 44-16 with both players starting and Lawrence as MVP
     
  12. Vinnie2u

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    At 10 I want a sure thing. Potential gets you fired. Whose ready to play Day 1. Loves football. Is not a druggie.. talented. Not hurt.. no drama.
     
  13. 32BellyOption

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    He’d be a great selection. But if we’re going to invest $40+ million per year in Dak we should do our best to protect him. I have no faith in Tyron staying healthy.
    If Slater or Sewell is there that’s my pick. And I was like you I’m saying Surtain is my pick until recently. We can grab a starting CB in round two.
     
  14. speedkilz88

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    Thomas Dimitroff was the gm. He made the personnel decisions and many did not pan out.
     
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  15. speedkilz88

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    Xavien Howard played opposite of Byron Jones who hardly ever gets thrown at. So the guy saw a ton of passes and picked off ten. That's how he got all-pro. Surtain's biggest question beside speed is avg ball skills.
     
  16. speedkilz88

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    I hate drafting the "safe" guy. You know why? Because the "safe" guy in the past that the Cowboys drafted was Bobby Carpenter.
     
  17. jterrell

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    This is simply not true.
    Byron wasn't healthy this year. He missed time and games. He was injured early and off the field.
    He played about 100 less coverage/passing snaps than Howard.

    Howard faced 101 targets and made 10 INT.
    BJones faced 73 targets and made 2 INT.

    But it isn't just INT.
    Xavien allowed a 48.3 QB Rating.
    Byron? an insanely poor 108.
    Byron also missed a very poor 9 tackles. Xavien missed 6 with more targets and a lot more snaps played.

    Byron may bounce back next year with good health but if so it'll be as the CB2 in Miami.

    Ironically the reason Miami paid Byron was Howard had been injury prone early.
    He was a Pro Bowler in 2018 then only played 5 games in 2019.
    2020 marked only his 2nd 16 game season.
     
  18. jterrell

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    The last 'safe guy' choice was Martin. Jerry was ready to go team chaos and draft Johnny before being bullied by Stephen and Will.

    Bobby Carpenter wasn't about being safe but about Parcells having coached his Dad and knowing him since he was like 2.
    It's not like the tape of Carpenter being rick-rolled by Vince Young didn't exist.
    People just didn't think the NFL was going to present you many VY challenges.
     
  19. speedkilz88

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    They didn't take Martin because he was the safe guy. They took him because all the defensive players they wanted were off the board from Aaron Donald to Ryan Shazier who was actually on the phone with the Cowboys when they all found out the steelers had already taken him. Last Man Standing.

    All leading up to the Bobby Carpenter draft, all people could say is he was the safe pick. Manny Lawson was seen as the gamble because of his lack of weight. Lawson didn't up being a great pass rusher either but he had a longer career as a competent LB for the 49ers.
     
  20. Gaede

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    When the choices are a guard from Notre Dame and Johnny Manziel, then yeah, Martin was the safe pick
     

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