FEATURED FA agent thread

[Stash]

i wouldn't mind adding one of the broncos young f/a te's to this group,tho...
jake butt or troy fumagali.
i liked both in college.
we met with butt at the sr bowl or combine...can't remember.

On the cheap? Sure.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[Stash]

How does it get old? It's true.

Dallas thinks they can build a championship football team through the draft and then signing some warm roster bodies in FA. It hasn't worked. They haven't even built a consistent winning team, let alone a championship team this way.

And they keep doubling down on the strategy despite no positive results. It's bizarre.

The truth hurts. And some fans can handle it, and some fans can’t.

 

[Sydla]

I totally understand why us Cowboy fans are very disappointed in FA this far. But I truly believe in the process. I cannot believe our defense is as bad as it showed last season. I simply think it was a defensive coordinator not playing to the strength of the personnel he had. How is is with Rod Marinelli and Kris Richard we had a competent defense that although they struggled against the run were not as bad as last season?

We go out and add players like Aldon Smith, Everson Griffen, Poe, HaHa and McCoy and we are worse? All those players were ranked higher then anything Marinelli and Richard had in their defenses just the year prior.

Simply put, Nolan ruined our defense. I believe Quinn will be more vocal and more of a coordinator and that alone will make the defense better even if we dont add anything in FA.

Players like LVE, Smith, DLaw, Gregory, Diggs, Wilson, Lewis and Brown are not scrubs. They are above average football players that were asked to play out of their comfort zone. Quinn will play to their strengths. Our D after draft and going into next season will be just fine.

How do you believe in the process? The "process" has led to no real tangible results.

The defense lacks talent. That's not an excuse for Nolan who sucked. But trying to convince oneself the defense has talent and can be a competent defense is the same kind of logic Jerry and Stephen use. It's why we watch teams literally win games against us gashing us with the run and their plan in the offseason is to let the better DTs go elsewhere in FA and sign some JAG who has as good a chance of getting cut in September than he does of making the roster and being productive. Even if Quinn does a better job they lack playmakers and talent in the middle of the defense. They can't fix that all in the draft.

How many times are you going to fool yourself into thinking what they are doing is going to turn out just "fine"?

 

[Stash]

Blows that narrative out of the water now, doesn’t it?

 

[texbumthelife]

i wouldn't mind adding one of the broncos young f/a te's to this group,tho...
jake butt or troy fumagali.
i liked both in college.
we met with butt at the sr bowl or combine...can't remember.

I'm definitely a butt guy.

 

[JBS]

Blows that narrative out of the water now, doesn’t it?

How can anyone think this team can compete?

 

[Stash]

How can anyone think this team can compete?

Willful ignorance.

Plausible deniability.

Fandom overriding common sense and rational thought.

 

[Carson]

 

[JBS]

Willful ignorance.

Plausible deniability.

Fandom overriding common sense and rational thought.

How many times can someone fall for the same trick? This front office either has no clue or has no care..either way, this team has no chance...they fielded the absolute worst defense in franchise history and they decide to do nothing about it in free agency..that's a slap in the face to the fans

 

[Carson]

How many times can someone fall for the same trick? This front office either has no clue or has no care..either way, this team has no chance...they fielded the absolute worst defense in franchise history and they decide to do nothing about it in free agency..that's a slap in the face to the fans

Watkins and Lewis!

 

[DRella]

How do you believe in the process? The "process" has led to no real tangible results.

The defense lacks talent. That's not an excuse for Nolan who sucked. But trying to convince oneself the defense has talent and can be a competent defense is the same kind of logic Jerry and Stephen use. It's why we watch teams literally win games against us gashing us with the run and their plan in the offseason is to let the better DTs go elsewhere in FA and sign some JAG who has as good a chance of getting cut in September than he does of making the roster and being productive. Even if Quinn does a better job they lack playmakers and talent in the middle of the defense. They can't fix that all in the draft.

How many times are you going to fool yourself into thinking what they are doing is going to turn out just "fine"?

All I am saying is that we have players on our D that would be immediate starters on other teams D as well. DLaw, Gregory, Diggs, Lewis, Brown, LVE and Smith are not scrubs. Although you and other may think so they are very good players when used correctly. Yes we have holes in our D like DT, MLB, S and CB. But the pieces are not all missing. We have a draft coming up that should ultimately plug one of those holes for the long term. If we get lucky we may get 2 starters out of this draft that will continue to add to the defense. Is it going to fill all holes. No it will not. Will free agency allow us to continue to add value. As of right now, not yet. But we dont know.

As much as people want to state this defense is horrible, alot of it had to do with the defensive coordinator and friction with his key players. I bet that our defense is much better this year with 75% of it coming back from last season. Am I expecting it to be top 10. No. Am I expecting it to be middle of the pack. Yes.

And that is enough to compete every game with our offence which will be top 5. That is enough to win division and then come playoff time anything is possible. It is the NFL as the Super Bowl proved last season.

 

[Stash]

How many times can someone fall for the same trick? This front office either has no clue or has no care..either way, this team has no chance...they fielded the absolute worst defense in franchise history and they decide to do nothing about it in free agency..that's a slap in the face to the fans

When the two guys in charge rake in the money no matter what, with no fear, there are no consequences. They’ve screwed things up for over 25 years now, and nothing changes for them. They ‘sell’ a rabid fan base that somehow things will just be different this time.

 

[JBS]

Watkins and Lewis!

Funny. I was just telling myself, screw it, just draft Pitts..I don't want him..but if this team isn't going to take fixing the defense seriously, we might as well take pitts

 

[Sydla]

All I am saying is that we have players on our D that would be immediate starters on other teams D as well. DLaw, Gregory, Diggs, Lewis, Brown, LVE and Smith are not scrubs. Although you and other may think so they are very good players when used correctly. Yes we have holes in our D like DT, MLB, S and CB. But the pieces are not all missing. We have a draft coming up that should ultimately plug one of those holes for the long term. If we get lucky we may get 2 starters out of this draft that will continue to add to the defense. Is it going to fill all holes. No it will not. Will free agency allow us to continue to add value. As of right now, not yet. But we dont know.

As much as people want to state this defense is horrible, alot of it had to do with the defensive coordinator and friction with his key players. I bet that our defense is much better this year with 75% of it coming back from last season. Am I expecting it to be top 10. No. Am I expecting it to be middle of the pack. Yes.

And that is enough to compete every game with our offence which will be top 5. That is enough to win division and then come playoff time anything is possible. It is the NFL as the Super Bowl proved last season.

No one said the all the pieces are missing. But when you are saying we have issues at DT, MLB, S and CB you are literally talking about a heavy chunk of the defense that needs serious addressing. And relying on the draft to fill all of those holes, and yes that's what they are doing when they sign total JAGs in FA, is a recipe that has continued to fail for them.

Their process is this. Try to draft well. Pay those draftees to stay (or in some cases overpay). Use FA for JAGs and depth, at best. It's the same process they've used for years now and the results are clear as day that it's not working. And it doesn't work largely because you can't fix things solely by hoping rookies make immediate impacts at multiple positions. Even the best teams have holes and most other teams use FA wisely to fill/address a hole or two and not rely on the very long odds that you can draft a rookie for all the positions you need filled and have them turn into immediate impact players.

You basically have bought into the same strategy they have been selling to you with literally no quality results. And when it fails this year, I suspect you'll be back next year claiming the same things after Dallas sits on its hands in FA.

 

[Mr_437]

Chris Covington 2.0. Both came from Houston

Watkins
Eli A.
Covington

Why do they insist on getting guy from HOU??? And HOU DL isn't any good. My goodness. I'm not tripping about Watkins except they need a NT, and Stephen is gonna try to sale Watkins as a NT...no sir.

 

[Mr_437]

Prepared to be dazzled. Our FAs over the last 5 years:

2016

Cedric Thornton
Benson Mayowa
Alfred Morris
Joe Looney

Sadly, this might the best FA haul of the last 5 years

2017

Nolan Carroll
Byron Bell
Stephen Paea
Damontre Moore
Jonathon Cooper

2018

Allen Hurns
Deonte Thompson
Cam Fleming
Marcus Martin
Joe Thomas

2019

Randall Cobb
Kerry Hyder
Christian Covington

2020

Andy Dalton
Blake Bell
Cam Erving
Everson Griffen
Aldon Smith
Dontari Poe
Gerald McCoy
Maurice Canady
Brandon Carr
Daryl Worley
HaHa Clinton Dix
Greg Zuerlein

That's quite the list. I'd argue that in the last 5 years, we landed only two impact FAs - Cobb and Zuerlein. Aldon Smith was decent. But man, the vast majority are total, unadulterated wash outs.

And our response to these failures? Do the same thing again. LOL.

Kudos, excellent post. Should be held up in press conferences when the Joneses are talking about FA so they can look at that list while they lie about how successful it was.

 

[Majic]

No one said the all the pieces are missing. But when you are saying we have issues at DT, MLB, S and CB you are literally talking about a heavy chunk of the defense that needs serious addressing. And relying on the draft to fill all of those holes, and yes that's what they are doing when they sign total JAGs in FA, is a recipe that has continued to fail for them.

Their process is this. Try to draft well. Pay those draftees to stay (or in some cases overpay). Use FA for JAGs and depth, at best. It's the same process they've used for years now and the results are clear as day that it's not working. And it doesn't work largely because you can't fix things solely by hoping rookies make immediate impacts at multiple positions. Even the best teams have holes and most other teams use FA wisely to fill/address a hole or two and not rely on the very long odds that you can draft a rookie for all the positions you need filled and have them turn into immediate impact players.

You basically have bought into the same strategy they have been selling to you with literally no quality results. And when it fails this year, I suspect you'll be back next year claiming the same things after Dallas sits on its hands in FA.

The Joneses are very slow to react to what happens in the NFL. They have always believed free agency is a process that covers you for errors made in drafting rather than using it as a means to marry your draft with free agency to get the best of both worlds.

It's not only the draft they are stuck in their ways with. Other teams realise the importance of a hybrid DEF to not only play to your strengths but to be less predictable. Teams like the Patriots, Ravens, Giants and Rams understand this, we don't. We should be building that right now with Quinn. We don't need players that can only play his scheme. Might work for a year, but will soon be found out.

 

[Plankton]

How do you believe in the process? The "process" has led to no real tangible results.

The defense lacks talent. That's not an excuse for Nolan who sucked. But trying to convince oneself the defense has talent and can be a competent defense is the same kind of logic Jerry and Stephen use. It's why we watch teams literally win games against us gashing us with the run and their plan in the offseason is to let the better DTs go elsewhere in FA and sign some JAG who has as good a chance of getting cut in September than he does of making the roster and being productive. Even if Quinn does a better job they lack playmakers and talent in the middle of the defense. They can't fix that all in the draft.

How many times are you going to fool yourself into thinking what they are doing is going to turn out just "fine"?

Dude, most processes take over 25 years with no results to show for the effort.

Year 26, it will be all better.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]