Twitter: Possible week one starting line up

[Valkyr]

A Super Bowel team if there ever was one.

 

[Robster8989]

Offense is stacked. Defense is weak in the front 7, secondary is starting to look promising.

Hopefully we get more than one starter in the draft. Either a DT or safety.

I agree.
I still really hope they look at one more sarter in FA.
KJ Wright would be perfect IMO. Going to take more than a 1 year deal IMO.
And I'm still hoping a great trade down scenario presents itself to us, and we still grab one of Surtain/Horn while picking up a 2nd 2nd rounder and grab Ritchie Grant and Alim McNeil. (For example, IF one of the 4 top QBs is available at 10, perhaps the Niners at 12 or Pats at 15 offer their 2nd rounder ((43 for Niners and 46 for Pats)) to move up, AND we are still able to grab one of Surtain/Horn while also picking up that 2nd 2nd rounder. Longshot but possible with this draft.)

My "playing defense" would look like this:
3 tech- GALLIMORE/Hill/Urban (I like Gallimore starting and Hill as the pass rushing 3)
1 tech- MCNEIL/Woods/Urban
DE- LAWRENCE (Armstrong/Carter), GREGORY (Basham/Anae)
LB- WRIGHT, LVE, SMITH, NEAL (I list 4 as all will play starter roles situationally)
SS- WILSON (Neal)
FS- KAZEE (Grant/Wilson)
CB- HORN (Brown/Robinson), DIGGS (Lewis/Brown)

I'd also keep my eyes open for late vet cuts, particulary at 1 tech and DE, to improve depth if the opportunity presents itself.
Like a starter at 1 tech with McNeil is being groomed to take over at some point, or another DE in the main rotation.

That strong vet LB team will make up for the youth in the interior DL early on.
Depth in the secondary (finally) with Grant pushing to be a strarter at FS at some point, and Safety FINALLY settled for the future with Grant/Wilson, plus Diggs/Horn at CB.
Maybe draft another LB late 3rd (like Surrat) to develope to take over a starter role in the future, which may give us LVE (injury) or Jaylon (cut) insurance heading into next season.
Would be much improved this year plus set us up nicely for next season by solving some major needs long term.

 

[Whirlwin]

I can’t recall our players doing well with other teams. Collins and Heath bombed in Oakland. The Chiefs picked up a few but they were the same here except Mahomes/Hill/Kelce’s rising tide lifted them up, not their performance. Brady and the TB offense lit them up. Byron Jones is the same in Miami. Beasley is the same in Buffalo.

Teams just don’t get bang for their buck signing Cowboy FAs. They bring hope with name recognition and sell tickets but really do little on the field.

You’re telling me other players lifted them up. Well isn’t that with a team With great coaching is supposed to do. Come on

 

[Sydla]

not if slater is the best player available.

I don't think he'll be. I think he's overrated. He's gotten a lot of hype from his game against Chase Young but I have read some reviews of that game that says people are overreacting to his performance there. Some have said his future is as an OG. I am not a fan of using a Top 10 pick on an OG if that guy isn't as dominant or destructive or generational as an OG like Quenton Nelson was a few years ago.

I also can't get behind using yet another first round pick on an OL. Why the hell are we the only team that needs to keep throwing high round picks to build a competent OL?

 

[Sydla]

RT was a big mess.

still is. We don’t even know if Collins will make it through camp.

they can’t go with Steele again. He isn’t a 1. More of a 2.

I can't justify yet another 1st round pick on an OL. Plus, Slater might be a future OG, not an OT.

If there isn't a non OL player you like there at that slot, trade the pick or get creative.

 

[boysfanindc]

I agree.
I still really hope they look at one more sarter in FA.
KJ Wright would be perfect IMO. Going to take more than a 1 year deal IMO.
And I'm still hoping a great trade down scenario presents itself to us, and we still grab one of Surtain/Horn while picking up a 2nd 2nd rounder and grab Ritchie Grant and Alim McNeil. (For example, IF one of the 4 top QBs is available at 10, perhaps the Niners at 12 or Pats at 15 offer their 2nd rounder ((43 for Niners and 46 for Pats)) to move up, AND we are still able to grab one of Surtain/Horn while also picking up that 2nd 2nd rounder. Longshot but possible with this draft.)

My "playing defense" would look like this:
3 tech- GALLIMORE/Hill/Urban (I like Gallimore starting and Hill as the pass rushing 3)
1 tech- MCNEIL/Woods/Urban
DE- LAWRENCE (Armstrong/Carter), GREGORY (Basham/Anae)
LB- WRIGHT, LVE, SMITH, NEAL (I list 4 as all will play starter roles situationally)
SS- WILSON (Neal)
FS- KAZEE (Grant/Wilson)
CB- HORN (Brown/Robinson), DIGGS (Lewis/Brown)

I'd also keep my eyes open for late vet cuts, particulary at 1 tech and DE, to improve depth if the opportunity presents itself.
Like a starter at 1 tech with McNeil is being groomed to take over at some point, or another DE in the main rotation.

That strong vet LB team will make up for the youth in the interior DL early on.
Depth in the secondary (finally) with Grant pushing to be a strarter at FS at some point, and Safety FINALLY settled for the future with Grant/Wilson, plus Diggs/Horn at CB.
Maybe draft another LB late 3rd (like Surrat) to develope to take over a starter role in the future, which may give us LVE (injury) or Jaylon (cut) insurance heading into next season.
Would be much improved this year plus set us up nicely for next season by solving some major needs long term.

I like what you have done and I would wish for the trade down from #10 to 12-15 range also, but I don't think it is going to happen because those QB's are going to go before the 10th. People will be jumping ahead of us for them. The Farley issue has also thrown another wrinkle into the mix for the trade down.

 

[Typhus]

These are the questions in my mind but they have at least given themselves a chance to be better, now it is about health, execution and the draft.

How much better will Quinn's D be over Nolan's D?
Will Dak be healthy the whole year?
Can the starting OT's stay healthy and does Nsekhe's availability (Erving was not available for a big part of the season) help?
Does Martin stay healthy?
Does Jarwin stay healthy?
Does Lamb take another step?

Is Lawrence healthy the whole year?
Is Gregory focused in a contract year?
Does Bashman give your more then Aldon did last year?
Does Gallimore take the next step?
Does Hill stay healthy and take the next step?
Does Urban give you more than Crawford?
Does Neal help the run defense?
Does Kazee give you more then the trash we rolled out last year?

This is before the draft (sample draft change how you like)

Can Surtain/Horn play like a CB1 next year?
Does a FS like Grant come in and give you quality reps?
Does a DT like McNeill come in and give you quality reps?

Thats a lot of what ifs, in most years we are lucky to cross 2 off the list.

 

[Uncle_Hank]

I agree.
I still really hope they look at one more sarter in FA.
KJ Wright would be perfect IMO. Going to take more than a 1 year deal IMO.
And I'm still hoping a great trade down scenario presents itself to us, and we still grab one of Surtain/Horn while picking up a 2nd 2nd rounder and grab Ritchie Grant and Alim McNeil. (For example, IF one of the 4 top QBs is available at 10, perhaps the Niners at 12 or Pats at 15 offer their 2nd rounder ((43 for Niners and 46 for Pats)) to move up, AND we are still able to grab one of Surtain/Horn while also picking up that 2nd 2nd rounder. Longshot but possible with this draft.)

My "playing defense" would look like this:
3 tech- GALLIMORE/Hill/Urban (I like Gallimore starting and Hill as the pass rushing 3)
1 tech- MCNEIL/Woods/Urban
DE- LAWRENCE (Armstrong/Carter), GREGORY (Basham/Anae)
LB- WRIGHT, LVE, SMITH, NEAL (I list 4 as all will play starter roles situationally)
SS- WILSON (Neal)
FS- KAZEE (Grant/Wilson)
CB- HORN (Brown/Robinson), DIGGS (Lewis/Brown)

I'd also keep my eyes open for late vet cuts, particulary at 1 tech and DE, to improve depth if the opportunity presents itself.
Like a starter at 1 tech with McNeil is being groomed to take over at some point, or another DE in the main rotation.

That strong vet LB team will make up for the youth in the interior DL early on.
Depth in the secondary (finally) with Grant pushing to be a strarter at FS at some point, and Safety FINALLY settled for the future with Grant/Wilson, plus Diggs/Horn at CB.
Maybe draft another LB late 3rd (like Surrat) to develope to take over a starter role in the future, which may give us LVE (injury) or Jaylon (cut) insurance heading into next season.
Would be much improved this year plus set us up nicely for next season by solving some major needs long term.

I'm not sold on Gallimore as a starter yet, but I like your thinking.

I have absolutely no idea what they're planning at linebacker. It seems like they're committed to a hybrid front base nickel defense, so why would they keep Jaylon around until his salary becomes fully guaranteed? He doesn't fit that scheme. They could have borrowed against next year's cap by designating him a June 1st cut and signed Wright, who can pretty much do everything Jaylon can do.

Still, Mike Fisher is saying to look out for Wright. I think he's BSing, but it could make sense if they're planning on moving Jaylon back to Mike where he had his best season, playing Wright at Sam, and letting LVE rotate at Will along with Neal depending on the package. I could get down with that if they actually fix the front four. McNeil in the 3rd would be a dream come true.

 

[Uncle_Hank]

I can't justify yet another 1st round pick on an OL. Plus, Slater might be a future OG, not an OT.

If there isn't a non OL player you like there at that slot, trade the pick or get creative.

Agreed. I am no longer a fan of drafting a tackle early this year after they restructured Smith/Collins and signed Nsekhe.

Where would you play him? If Tyron goes down again, Nsekhe goes in. If you lose Collins again too, you slide Martin over to RT and play McGovern at RG. It would be a complete waste of resources at this point. Sewell's not falling to 10, and taking a positionless G/T there would be stupid.

 

[Loso86]

The other starting CB will be Brown.

Hope not

 

[Loso86]

The idea of using yet another first round pick on an OL nauseates me. How in the world can all these good teams build OLs without throwing the draft resources we do at OL?

Between an OT like Slater at 10 and a trade down.............100 out of 100 times, trade down.

We could use Pitts or LB or CB way before a Tackle man

 

[boysfanindc]

Thats a lot of what ifs, in most years we are lucky to cross 2 off the list.

But a lot are about being health, which will be true every year.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The offense is about as good as you’re going to find outside Kansas City.

On defense, I don’t feel good about the tackles or LVE in the middle.

 

[Robster8989]

I like what you have done and I would wish for the trade down from #10 to 12-15 range also, but I don't think it is going to happen because those QB's are going to go before the 10th. People will be jumping ahead of us for them. The Farley issue has also thrown another wrinkle into the mix for the trade down.

Yeah for sure the Farley thing is a bummer.
I was hoping with 3 of those guys the trade down was more likely to work, but with Farley out of the picture it does make it a lot harder.
Curious as to others opinions, what about multiple trade backs, picking up say 2 extra 2nd rounders, and getting Newsome or Melifonwu later in the first. Do you feel the drop off from say Horn to Newsome is huge?
I like Newsome, and feel if he played at say Bama, he'd be higher on boards, so if we could get him AND pick up multiple 2nds I'd look at it. We have so many holes.
I'd consider it, get Newsome later in the first, then use 2nd rounders on Grant, McNeil and a versatile OL player, like Leatherwood to shore up the OL this year and into the future.

 

[Ranching]

Serious question to answer ........will the changes on defense be enough? We've added three new players, ( four if you include Gregory). Are they truly upgrades are replacements. In other words, how much of an upgrade is Neal over Joe Thomas at LBer or Kazee over Woods for a team the finished dead last. The bottom line, it appears the FO is saying last year's defensive issues were more Nolan/scheme than talent.

I like it. A good coach with a good scheme and we're rolling

 

[817Gill]

- DT looks weak to me still. But at this point, it is what it is. Hopefully they have a chance to draft one before the middle rounds. I'd love to add McNeill or someone like that.

- I hope they really give Wilson a chance at S. I am under no delusions that he's a stud or anything but he showed enough to give him a fair chance, especially considering we didn't really bring in a legit stud S in FA.

- I think the Cowboys are going to find themselves in a bind at 10. With Farley being hurt, I could see Surtain going in the Top 10 and the Cowboys being left with choosing an OL or a WR (I think Pitts might go early too). Cowboys may have to take only a fair trade down offer or get creative (LOL, yeah I know) like take one of the WRs at 10 and flipping Gallup for a 2nd and 3rd rounder or something like that.

Just by design of the players in the draft, it’s dang near 100% Surtain is there. Too many good offensive players and too many teams who need other positions more.

With the niners trading up and dolphins staying at 6, there will be 4 QB’s and 2 OL taken in the top 9. Add on Kyle Pitts and 2 WR’s who surely will be taken and there’s no way Surtain is a top 9 pick. Denver signing Fuller and Darby put the bow on it as well.

 

[Sydla]

Agreed. I am no longer a fan of drafting a tackle early this year after they restructured Smith/Collins and signed Nsekhe.

Where would you play him? If Tyron goes down again, Nsekhe goes in. If you lose Collins again too, you slide Martin over to RT and play McGovern at RG. It would be a complete waste of resources at this point. Sewell's not falling to 10, and taking a positionless G/T there would be stupid.

I should be clear on this. I think the OL is very important. So in no way am I trying to diminish the importance. But this team has an offense/defense imbalance and they have spent more than any team in the NFL in terms of picks and money on the OL over the last 8-10 years and what do they have to show for it? Nothing. The team was just average over the entire decade.

Other teams get by with building good OLs using FA, mid round picks, developing guys, etc. Here it seems the Jones boys think the way to do it is just keep throwing high picks at the OL. At some point, it becomes harder to justify throwing high picks at the OL when you aren't getting the return on it.

 

[cowboyec]

I don't think he'll be. I think he's overrated. He's gotten a lot of hype from his game against Chase Young but I have read some reviews of that game that says people are overreacting to his performance there. Some have said his future is as an OG. I am not a fan of using a Top 10 pick on an OG if that guy isn't as dominant or destructive or generational as an OG like Quenton Nelson was a few years ago.

I also can't get behind using yet another first round pick on an OL. Why the hell are we the only team that needs to keep throwing high round picks to build a competent OL?

i disagree.
if surtain or parsons is on the board...i'd agree with you.
but if pitts,parsons and surtain are gone...i'm good with slater at 10 because i think in that scenario...he is the best guy on the board.
im not forcing a pick at 10 for any position group.
stick to your board and take the best guy.
i think we'll get surtain and move on.

with tyron's injury history....you gotta start thinkin' about the furure.
if slater is the pick...he probably plays inside then slides out to ot when tyrons done.
i think he's a helluva player.
always impressed in the nwestern games i watched.
its the media hyping that game vs young.
slater is more than that.
helluva player.
i'd take sewell over him...but slater is a helluva player.

 

[Sydla]

i disagree.
if surtain or parsons is on the board...i'd agree with you.
but if pitts,parsons and surtain are gone...i'm good with slater at 10 because i think in that scenario...he is the best guy on the board.
im not forcing a pick at 10 for any position group.
stick to your board and take the best guy.
i think we'll get surtain and move on.

with tyron's injury history....you gotta start thinkin' about the furure.
if slater is the pick...he probably plays inside then slides out to ot when tyrons done.
i think he's a helluva player.
always impressed in the nwestern games i watched.
its the media hyping that game vs young.
slater is more than that.
helluva player.
i'd take sewell over him...but slater is a helluva player.

You don't even know if Slater can be an OT in the NFL, let alone become the LT to replace Smith. And this team doesn't really have the luxury of starting to draft guys high to eventually replace guys down the road. If Slater is the best guy on the board at 10, they had better be working the phones on a trade.

 

[cowboyec]

You don't even know if Slater can be an OT in the NFL, let alone become the LT to replace Smith. And this team doesn't really have the luxury of starting to draft guys high to eventually replace guys down the road. If Slater is the best guy on the board at 10, they had better be working the phones on a trade.

you dont know if ANY of these guys will pan out...regardless of position or round.
we'll never be picking this high again...taking slater in the scenario i layed out in my opinion is a solid pick.
but like i said...i think we take surtain and move on to rd2.
there are alot of ot's in this class i like up and down the board.