Video: Fish: Cowboys and Falcons have talked about a trade up. Fish says it is not true aka clickbait

[fivetwos]

I can't WAIT until the second another team drafts this guy so everyone can shut it already.

I heard the same unstoppable crap last year when Lamb fell into their laps.

 

[Sydla]

So you would have to trade 10, a third or second this year, a first and maybe a 2nd or 3rd next year.

Seems really smart. Something Jerry would do.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

By the way, it would be soooooooo Jerry Jones to trade up for Pitts. Blow a bunch of picks in this draft and next year that could be used to fix a big problem, defense, to move up to take Jerry's latest shiny toy fascination.

+1

 

[jterrell]

The only team that will take Pitts at 4 is ATL. The only team trading up to 4 is taking a QB, not a TE. Fields, Lance or Jones, 2 of those 3 is still on the board at 4 and no team is trading up to 4 for a TE, including the Cowboys.

Common sense.
Pitts likely goes 5-7 and if he goes 4 it is because ATL took him and decided to put off QB for a year.

 

[JD_KaPow]

If you want to say the last few years that's fine but if I'm going based on the past 10 years? Sort of the end of Romo's era and into the Dak era? I expect the unexpected with them.

And we can sit here and say they are predictable but I'm here every draft and I recall no one expecting them to take Tyron Smith. No one expected them to trade down and draft Fredericks in the 1st round. Many thought Johnny Football before even Zack Martin. In 2016, I Think most expected Jaylon Ramsey before talking themselves into Zeke.

I think your memory is very different from mine. Tyron was almost everyone's expectation at that pick. Zeke was almost everyone's expectation at that pick: many people were advocating for Ramsey, but it was clearly going to be one of those two.

But in both cases, they stayed put at their pick and took a (the?) top guy on their board. Same with the Martin pick: sure there was noise about Manziel, but in the end they did the predictable thing.

To me the Ravens are predictable. I know going into this draft they are going to draft some linebackers and offensive linemen. I know what to expect from the Steelers. Cowboys don't fit that mold. No one with a straight face can sit here and say they know what they will do with that 1st pick.

If by "know what they will do," you mean "who they will pick," no, of course not. But I'd lay pretty good odds that they'll sit at 10 and take a top player on their board. That's what they've done for the last seven drafts. Might they trade out of their pick? Sure. But that's what would be unpredictable, not something equivalent to taking Tyron or Zeke or Lamb last year.

As far as the Ravens, you're absolutely right. Why, you have to go all the way back to...um...2019 to find a draft where they didn't take any LBs.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I'm not buying this, not even Jerry is this crazy. I hope

 

[jterrell]

This is why the media always wins. People are at the mercy of their own emotions, ripe for swaying this way or that way.

I don't know that the media always wins.
In fact they have really struggled at times and the model has changed rapidly. Media pays next to nothing right now.
And the profession has lost much of its' hard earned respect.

But I guess in a sense the survivors are just entertainers who care not one iota about sports truth.
And if you do scale the mountain like the rare few of Skip or Cowherd it is insanely profitable.
So if you hit those emotional queues you can possibly go far.

 

[Avery]

I love Pitts as much as anyone, but we're not trading up to #4 to get him. It would require giving up our first rounder next year which is out of the question for a position that's not QB.

Dallas needs to sit at #10 and trade down into the teens if the board isn't shaking up right.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Honestly.....I can see Jerry doing it. Sitting back laughing saying " let em chew of that for a min" (LOL)

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I love Pitts as much as anyone, but we're not trading up to #4 to get him. It would require giving up our first rounder next year which is out of the question for a position that's not QB.

Dallas needs to sit at #10 and trade down into the teens if the board isn't shaking up right.

If Pitts takes us where we wanna go......our 2022 1st will at the bottom of the first. Early 2nd round value.......just saying

 

[CATCH17]

LOL. This is just nonsense.

Dallas has NOT called ATL about pick 4. End of story.
This is utterly stupid.
Pick 4 value: 10 +44 plus one of the R3 plus next year's R1.

Dallas isn't even in the conversation.

Yep.. Agree.

I still think we need to draft this player but I don’t know how we get up that high.


I guess we should’ve just not been morons and fought our tails off to win meaningless games that smarter teams didn’t give any effort towards.

 

[JD_KaPow]

By the way, it would be soooooooo Jerry Jones to trade up for Pitts. Blow a bunch of picks in this draft and next year that could be used to fix a big problem, defense, to move up to take Jerry's latest shiny toy fascination.

In what way would that be "soooo Jerry?" When's the last time he's made a big trade up? When's the last time he traded up to ignore a perceived problem area?

He traded up for Claiborne, but defense and CB was clearly a need. He traded up a few spots for Dez but that doesn't fit what you're talking about. When have they ever done anything like what you describe? The Cooper trade was clearly addressing a need. The Roy Williams and Galloway trades were terrible, but they were a long time ago.

 

[CATCH17]

I'd say most of us fans are predictable and this organization rarely makes moves the fans would do. Their recent history has been far more unpredictable than predictable at least to me. To me it was predictable this team freed up cap space by signing Dak to a long term deal that they would use that money to bring in to fill in holes in free agency. Maybe I should've expected them to bring in the Falcons safeties to improve that unit but I sure as hell didn't expect it.

As of right now I have NO idea where they will go in the draft. I'd say going with Surtain would be predictable. But I have no faith they'd even go defense right now.

Well..

The smart move is not Surtain if Pitts or Slater is available.

Drafting defense just to draft defense is silly.. That’s what free agency is for.. The draft is for acquiring the best talent available.

In round 1 you want an impact guy. Surtain I just can’t see being a huge impact player. He’s just be a nice addition.

 

[Bullflop]

There's a big difference between asking a question and making a claim that something is so.

Fish didn't say the Falcons and Cowboys have talked about it -- he merely asked if it was so.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Hey Fish, I heard CNN is hiring. You'd fit in perfectly there.

 

[phildadon86]

I’m down as long as you don’t give up another 1.

They would have to. Thats a QB spot. Look at the San Fran trade.

 

[OmerV]

I'd rather trade to #2 to get Wilson.

You really think the Cowboys would draft a QB after committing to Dak?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well..

The smart move is not Surtain if Pitts or Slater is available.

Drafting defense just to draft defense is silly.. That’s what free agency is for.. The draft is for acquiring the best talent available.

In round 1 you want an impact guy. Surtain I just can’t see being a huge impact player. He’s just be a nice addition.

I said this in another thread about someone thinking like this....with this type of thinking how do you even get impact defensive players? Because impact defensive players don't really come in with higher grades than offensive guys. Its that rare instance where like a guy like Chase Young and Myles Garrett are just the top studs in a draft.

The Cowboys will always enter the draft and be at their pick where a highly rated offensive player will be there.

At some point you have to pull the trigger.

Last year with Lamb I understood it. Maybe you could argue a trade down but I understood it.

Fact is, Horn and Surtain are legit players. They are legit prospects. They don't grade out as high as Pitts or Slater. Ok?

They aren't going to. That does not mean that Surtain can't be a star in this league. That does not mean Horn won't be. Because you know what? I think Diggs has star potential. You can't measure someones heart and determination on a 40 time or a cone drill. Just doesn't show up.

When Revis Island and Asomugha were drafted do you know what people said about them? No one said they'd be the best corners of their time. If they knew that they would've been drafted much higher than where they were.

 

[Bigdog]

It's for a punter

 

[LACowboysFan1]

BTW.......just curious, what would it cost?????? ( moving from 10 to 4 )

Per the chart, Dallas' no. 10 and no. 44 and no 98. Dallas' first 3 picks.

Of course not ever team uses the chart, just an example..