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[TheMarathonContinues]

They behaved in free agency this year the way they've behaved every single year since they signed Carr. The fact that you expected them to do something different is on you: what they did was utterly predictable.

As far as the draft, the predictable thing for them to do would be to stay put at 10 and take the best player on their board, offense or defense. That's what they usually do: Lamb last year, LVE before that, Byron Jones, Zack Martin. I think they diverged from that a couple times recently, mostly by letting Marinelli have too much say: Hill and Charlton come to mind. So there is some unpredictability, but not a ton, I think.

Last year they went out and got Everson Griffen, Legatron, Poe, McCoy, Haha....the moves didn't work but that was a much different approach to free agency than what they did this year. You don't have to agree with it now but last offseason we all liked the offseason. Part of it is on me. You're right. I sat here and watched then worst defense in the league basically add has-beens and reserves all offseason long. I expected a different approach but maybe I got what I should've expected....when they signed Dak to a long term deal and got his cap hit at 22 million this year I thought they'd take advantage of that this year.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

When Revis Island and Asomugha were drafted do you know what people said about them? No one said they'd be the best corners of their time. If they knew that they would've been drafted much higher than where they were.

Deion was drafted 5th overall. So there is precedence for a defensive player to be drafted very high...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Just stay put and get the best player available.

Yep. Getting cute will bite you in the ***. This team should know better than anyone.

Makes sense if someone pays QB money to move up.
The obvious options were NE at 15 and CAR at 8 but with the Darnold trade 8 is likely out.
Which means ATL needs someone else to be interested other than NE to drive the price up.
Thus easy peasy use Cowboys name here nonsense.

Dallas is almost certainly not giving up the required draft capital to move up.
It would be a fairly criminal misuse of resources.
DAL scouts may very well love Pitts as they do love physical outliers but I am fairly certain they also love Sewell, Slater and Surtain.
All freaks as well and at higher value positions.

I agree but we have to ask ourselves what are the Cowboys scouts seeing? Are they seeing two tiers of talent when it comes to Pitts/Sewel and Slater? Do they consider themselves as getting a 2nd tier prospect? Because if they do then yes I can see them trading up.

But damn if they do plan on trading up do it during the draft when you see how the board is falling....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I can't WAIT until the second another team drafts this guy so everyone can shut it already.

I heard the same unstoppable crap last year when Lamb fell into their laps.

Yeah but you weren't going to get it year 1 from Lamb. Probably won't get it year 1 from Pitts either.....

 

[pgreptom]

Just like KJ Wright to Cowboys just a few days ago. Honestly we should stop allowing his fodder to be posted. He's just a more professional floaty.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Deion was drafted 5th overall. So there is precedence for a defensive player to be drafted very high...

Oh I get it. Trust I get it. But what I'm saying is just because you don't have that can't miss defensive prospect doesn't mean that there won't be a perennial All Pro guy here.

Darius Leonard makes the All Pro every single year.....he should've been at WORST a late 1st round guy..fell to the 2nd.

People are talking themselves out of Surtain because he doesn't have the same aura that Pitts or Sewell does. But Okudah had that last year and flopped his 1st year.

I heard it here with TJ Watt. This organization talked themselves out of TJ Watt because he didn't have the same aura as his brother did coming out. Completely missed on one of the best pass rushers in the league.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Last year they went out and got Everson Griffen, Legatron, Poe, McCoy, Haha....the moves didn't work

That's the problem, they can't select free agents worth a flip, if they're going to do it, do NOT sign anyone that they expect to be more than a stop gap, average or short term player. Because it won't work out.

The sole exception to that is Haley, but as they say, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. Jerry lucked out. Signing a known head case player who wore out his welcome on a SB champion team, which normally smooths out rough players just from the thrill of winning a ring, was a risky at best and dumb at most move....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Oh I get it. Trust I get it. But what I'm saying is just because you don't have that can't miss defensive prospect doesn't mean that there won't be a perennial All Pro guy here.

Darius Leonard makes the All Pro every single year.....he should've been at WORST a late 1st round guy..fell to the 2nd.

People are talking themselves out of Surtain because he doesn't have the same aura that Pitts or Sewell does. But Okudah had that last year and flopped his 1st year.

I heard it here with TJ Watt. This organization talked themselves out of TJ Watt because he didn't have the same aura as his brother did coming out. Completely missed on one of the best pass rushers in the league.

Watt was an olb, Cowboys needed a DE more. Watt would not have been as effective in Dallas. Just because a player is great in one role on one team is no guarantee that he'd be be great on the Cowboys. Not saying I wouldn't have taken Watt if I was in charge, just that it's not a direct swap....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think your memory is very different from mine. Tyron was almost everyone's expectation at that pick. Zeke was almost everyone's expectation at that pick: many people were advocating for Ramsey, but it was clearly going to be one of those two.

But in both cases, they stayed put at their pick and took a (the?) top guy on their board. Same with the Martin pick: sure there was noise about Manziel, but in the end they did the predictable thing.

If by "know what they will do," you mean "who they will pick," no, of course not. But I'd lay pretty good odds that they'll sit at 10 and take a top player on their board. That's what they've done for the last seven drafts. Might they trade out of their pick? Sure. But that's what would be unpredictable, not something equivalent to taking Tyron or Zeke or Lamb last year.

As far as the Ravens, you're absolutely right. Why, you have to go all the way back to...um...2019 to find a draft where they didn't take any LBs.

Every year we here about the big time "splash" draft pick Jerry will make. Probably got that reputation from drafting Dez and Mo Claiborne. But Jerry's reputation as a oil sales men is that he will go out and get the "splash" name. That goes against what Tyron, Fredericks or Martin were.

Ravens took a LB in 2019 unless I'm misunderstanding you?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

People are talking themselves out of Surtain because he doesn't have the same aura that Pitts or Sewell does

Yeah, more Jerry Joneses. Take the flash, ignore everything else...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's the problem, they can't select free agents worth a flip, if they're going to do it, do NOT sign anyone that they expect to be more than a stop gap, average or short term player. Because it won't work out.

The sole exception to that is Haley, but as they say, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. Jerry lucked out. Signing a known head case player who wore out his welcome on a SB champion team, which normally smooths out rough players just from the thrill of winning a ring, was a risky at best and dumb at most move....

I had absolutely no issue with them signing Randall Cobb and trading for Robert Quinn. None at all. I expected that type of impact this year....didn't get it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah, more Jerry Joneses. Take the flash, ignore everything else...

Yep and its a HUGE mistake...if the Cowboys take Surtain over Pitts they didn't "settle" for Surtain. They got a damn good prospect with a high ceiling.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Yep and its a HUGE mistake...if the Cowboys take Surtain over Pitts they didn't "settle" for Surtain. They got a damn good prospect with a high ceiling.

Yes, it's not like Surtain isn't ONE of the "bpa" players, considering his overall evaluation. And you have to also factor in need, for this team especially. This isn't the 1976 Cowboys, loaded with talent across the board, just lacking that one extra special player to go all the way....

 

[Stash]

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I had absolutely no issue with them signing Randall Cobb and trading for Robert Quinn. None at all. I expected that type of impact this year....didn't get it.

Me either, but Cobb was a slot receiver, Quinn a pass rusher. Neither one, especially Cobb, was supposed to be a huge part of the offense or defense. They filled a role and did very well.

But I still don't trust the Cowboys to keep that kind of streak going, sorry I just don't....

 

[Adiba1977]

If pitts falls to 6/7 I trade up

 

[LACowboysFan1]

If pitts falls to 6/7 I trade up

No.

 

[gjkoeppen]

He's out of control........lol

I don't understand why anyone believes a word he says.
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[TequilaCowboy]

LOL....talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[CATCH17]

No.

Get over the old NFL & the way defense used to be played.

I'm all for taking a defender don't get me wrong but they will most likely be a non factor on defense unless they are a guy who rushes the QB.

The NFL isn't built for you to play quality defense. The rules are against it.

You just hold on and do the best you can. That's the goal.

If we could add a Bosa/Young/Garrett type of prospect then i'd be all for it but you guys hated Byron Jones and we would be lucky to get that kind of player again with our pick.

Would you rather have Travis Kelce or Byron Jones?