Video: Fish: Cowboys and Falcons have talked about a trade up. Fish says it is not true aka clickbait

[CATCH17]

I don't understand why anyone believes a word he says.
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With Jerry I don't believe it until I see it.

This is just fish fishing for clicks and he's being a little guppy to Mortensons report.

All Dallas does is talk. In the end they will do the smart football thing that they always do and let the draft come to them, draft Surtain, and move on.

 

[CATCH17]

A lot of you have a problem with still overrating defense in the modern game. You need to get over it.

This was posted yesterday and these same things Saban is saying applies to the NFL because the NFL has gone the same direction as college football in recent years with the spread offenses and rule changes..

You guys that still think of football as this whoever runs the ball the best and plays good defense have got to just let go of that mentality.

 

[phildadon86]

A lot of you have a problem with still overrating defense in the modern game. You need to get over it.

This was posted yesterday and these same things Saban is saying applies to the NFL because the NFL has gone the same direction as college football in recent years with the spread offenses and rule changes..

You guys that still think of football as this whoever runs the ball the best and plays good defense have got to just let go of that mentality.

Ok. I get what you're saying. Nick Saban isnt saying you're going to win with the second worst defense in football though. Id kill for a defense that allowed 19 points a game lol. I dont know why you have this complex where you NEED to be right all the time on this board. Its ok to be wrong sometimes my friend. Its football. We all are.

 

[OmerV]

Ok. I get what you're saying. Nick Saban isnt saying you're going to win with the second worst defense in football though. Id kill for a defense that allowed 19 points a game lol. I dont know why you have this complex where you NEED to be right all the time on this board. Its ok to be wrong sometimes my friend. Its football. We all are.

Exactly. Even if building a dominant defense isn't realistic, that doesn't mean there isn't a need for defense. Winning will always require stopping the opponent's offense more than they stop yours, so it makes sense to improve a team's ability to do that.

 

[CATCH17]

Ok. I get what you're saying. Nick Saban isnt saying you're going to win with the second worst defense in football though. Id kill for a defense that allowed 19 points a game lol. I dont know why you have this complex where you NEED to be right all the time on this board. Its ok to be wrong sometimes my friend. Its football. We all are.

We've had defenses that were great against scoring and you guys still hated it.

Just get used to defense not being apart of a modern day NFL team.

Even f you're great at it for a year you shouldn't expect it to translate to the next year.

The best you can ask for is what Rod Marinelli had us doing. Keeping point totals and big plays to a minimum. Give up FG's and don't give up TD's.

Our defense will be improved next year because we're most likely going to sit in cover 3 all game and you don't need to spend premium picks on corners who sit in Zone all game.

 

[MarcusRock]

Well..

The smart move is not Surtain if Pitts or Slater is available.

Drafting defense just to draft defense is silly.. That’s what free agency is for.. The draft is for acquiring the best talent available.

In round 1 you want an impact guy. Surtain I just can’t see being a huge impact player. He’s just be a nice addition.

But, but we beat the Eagles, lol. The Eagles were throwing that game too, by the way but everyone wants to believe we gave them a legit good beatin'. They've already parlayed their pick into something better.

 

[CATCH17]

Exactly. Even if building a dominant defense isn't realistic, that doesn't mean there isn't a need for defense. Winning will always require stopping the opponent's offense more than they stop yours, so it makes sense to improve a team's ability to do that.

Of course. You're always looking to improve.

But passing up on an opportunity to draft Kyle Pitts vs some ho hum do nothing defender is a mistake.


I mean I see a lot of you guys pom pom'ing for Micah Parsons. He may be great.. Who knows.. But his biggest question mark is his ability to cover and that is where the NFL is going with linebackers because a linebacker who can't cover gets exposed by the spread and some of you are just blinding by his ability to come down hill (Which is something Jaylon Smith is actually good at).

 

[phildadon86]

We've had defenses that were great against scoring and you guys still hated it.

Just get used to defense not being apart of a modern day NFL team.

Even f you're great at it for a year you shouldn't expect it to translate to the next year.

The best you can ask for is what Rod Marinelli had us doing. Keeping point totals and big plays to a minimum. Give up FG's and don't give up TD's.

Our defense will be improved next year because we're most likely going to sit in cover 3 all game and you don't need to spend premium picks on corners who sit in Zone all game.

Good scoring defenses isnt the ticket. Good defenses keep scores low and turn over the ball. Do you realize last year was the first time we have had a CB take the ball away 3 or more times since like Anthony Henry? Getting the ball back to your offense in good field position is the staple of a good defense. Under Rod we had some of the worst starting field position ever. Say what you want about Dak and the offense but its hard to be successful in this league starting at your own 10 yard line multiple times a game.

 

[jterrell]

Yep. Getting cute will bite you in the ***. This team should know better than anyone.

I agree but we have to ask ourselves what are the Cowboys scouts seeing? Are they seeing two tiers of talent when it comes to Pitts/Sewel and Slater? Do they consider themselves as getting a 2nd tier prospect? Because if they do then yes I can see them trading up.

But damn if they do plan on trading up do it during the draft when you see how the board is falling....

Dallas scouting won't release grades pre-draft so we just won't know for certain.

But end of day Dallas is not the team to move up that high as they won't burn that much ammo to do so. Even if they did there's a fair chance they like Sewell or someone else even more than Pitts.

But after getting burned in the "dream scenario" trade up for Mo Claiborne I just don't see this team doing that again until they have a new GM.

I do think it's very fair to say hey who can they move up from 44 to say 35-38 to go get. That draft ammo they very much have.

 

[Rayman70]

27 pages incoming on how " we have talked" lol?

 

[phildadon86]

Of course. You're always looking to improve.

But passing up on an opportunity to draft Kyle Pitts vs some ho hum do nothing defender is a mistake.


I mean I see a lot of you guys pom pom'ing for Micah Parsons. He may be great.. Who knows.. But his biggest question mark is his ability to cover and that is where the NFL is going with linebackers because a linebacker who can't cover gets exposed by the spread and some of you are just blinding by his ability to come down hill (Which is something Jaylon Smith is actually good at).

I was huge on Parsons. I like Jamin Davis much better now. Who will be the better pro? I dont know. I just personally like Davis because there is less question marks and his player comparison is Darius Leonard. Ill take that guy on my defense. Would you?

 

[jterrell]

27 pages incoming on how " we have talked" lol?

The hilarity will forever be that they didn't even talk.
This is we will talk one day surely.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dallas scouting won't release grades pre-draft so we just won't know for certain.

But end of day Dallas is not the team to move up that high as they won't burn that much ammo to do so. Even if they did there's a fair chance they like Sewell or someone else even more than Pitts.

But after getting burned in the "dream scenario" trade up for Mo Claiborne I just don't see this team doing that again until they have a new GM.

I do think it's very fair to say hey who can they move up from 44 to say 35-38 to go get. That draft ammo they very much have.

Its also been awhile since the Cowboys have had at these many 3rd and 4th's rounders though. They may want to get creative.

 

[CATCH17]

Good scoring defenses isnt the ticket. Good defenses keep scores low and turn over the ball. Do you realize last year was the first time we have had a CB take the ball away 3 or more times since like Anthony Henry? Getting the ball back to your offense in good field position is the staple of a good defense. Under Rod we had some of the worst starting field position ever. Say what you want about Dak and the offense but its hard to be successful in this league starting at your own 10 yard line multiple times a game.

Yes but turnovers are not a predictable thing that you can rely on with consistency.

I'll tell you what helped the Chiefs defense more than anything.. Making opposing offenses keep their foot on the gas and take more risks because they know they have to keep up.

Which makes them what? More predictable for your defense.

If there was a stud pass rusher available i'd be all for it. Even over Pitts.. We don't have that available and now some of you are just like well who is the best defender.. Take that guy.. Who cares about anything else we just want defense.

Jerry deserves a lot of the blame for this way of thinking because he has made fans so desperate for quality players at positions of need because he doesn't go get guys in FA.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes but turnovers are not a predictable thing that you can rely on with consistency.

I'll tell you what helped the Chiefs defense more than anything.. Making opposing offenses keep their foot on the gas and take more risks because they know they have to keep up.

Which makes them what? More predictable for your defense.

If there was a stud pass rusher available i'd be all for it. Even over Pitts.. We don't have that available and now some of you are just like well who is the best defender.. Take that guy.. Who cares about anything else we just want defense.

Jerry deserves a lot of the blame for this way of thinking because he has made fans so desperate for quality players at positions of need because he doesn't go get guys in FA.

Yeah for sure. I agree there. We dont utilize FA at all. We havent since Carr. lol. Its a joke. However. There is definitely talent in this draft to help our defense become better than average. And way better than worst in the NFL. Surtain is one of those players.

 

[CATCH17]

I was huge on Parsons. I like Jamin Davis much better now. Who will be the better pro? I dont know. I just personally like Davis because there is less question marks and his player comparison is Darius Leonard. Ill take that guy on my defense. Would you?

I'm not selecting a linebacker at 10 unless he looks like that guy Arizona picked from Clemson last year.

You can find quality linebackers all over the draft.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Watt was an olb, Cowboys needed a DE more. Watt would not have been as effective in Dallas. Just because a player is great in one role on one team is no guarantee that he'd be be great on the Cowboys. Not saying I wouldn't have taken Watt if I was in charge, just that it's not a direct swap....

In this defense he would've been a pass rushing DE and I've seen nothing to suggest he couldn't play it here. The Cowboys lack the foresight to see things like Watt as a edge rusher here. They probably never looked at Darius Leonard because he was "too small" for their defense. This is a issue. We should not give these guys excuses for their failures in instances like this.

 

[phildadon86]

I'm not selecting a linebacker at 10 unless he looks like that guy Arizona picked from Clemson last year.

You can find quality linebackers all over the draft.

Oh Jamin Davis wouldnt be my pick at 10 either. But if you had a crystal ball you wouldnt take the maniac at 10? Leonard is the new breed of LB and helped transform that Indy defense. A player like that helps in the NEW NFL. Thats what I am saying.

 

[OmerV]

Of course. You're always looking to improve.

But passing up on an opportunity to draft Kyle Pitts vs some ho hum do nothing defender is a mistake.


I mean I see a lot of you guys pom pom'ing for Micah Parsons. He may be great.. Who knows.. But his biggest question mark is his ability to cover and that is where the NFL is going with linebackers because a linebacker who can't cover gets exposed by the spread and some of you are just blinding by his ability to come down hill (Which is something Jaylon Smith is actually good at).

Sure, if the team feels a defender is less than an elite talent they shouldn't take him over Pitts, and I agree that in today's game a LB better be able to cover.

Pitts obviously would be nice to have, although I'm doubtful he will still be available with the 10th pick. But if he is, there is the question of how the team feels about Jarwin and Schultz. If they like that combo, they could trade down a few spots to get more picks.

There is also the question of how many balls there are to go around. Cooper, Gallup, Lamb and Pitts would be a nice foursome, but with that many people to spread the ball to (not to mention to the RBs as well), can the team get top 10 value from him? Of course, Gallup is in the last year of his contract, so if he were allowed to leave Pitts could pay off bigger next year.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You stop us by scoring every single drive, which is what teams will do.