Really hope Cowboys don't touch Zaven Collins

[Malhavoc]

I’ve never been as high on Collins as some. There are better off the ball LB’s in this class and better guys to play the LEO position IMO. Wish I could be excited about a guy that size but I don’t see it.

 

[Cowboyny]

Go watch him play. Don't just read other peoples stuff. He is talented enough to get by the blocks but when somebody locks up on him, he doesn't run around them. He runs through them and then by them.

Just go watch him.

I did watch some tape on him earlier in the off-season. I just think we have a similar player in Lve. Will Lve be here after next season, will he figure out how to stay healthy? With our interior line still a huge question mark, I think drafting Collins doesn’t improve us all too much. He will be an asset against the pass, but have the same struggles against the run

 

[beware_d-ware]

I'm not missing the forest for the trees here. Huge, athletic, reads well, tackles well, understands zone... y'all are overlooking the 90% of the pro-level game he's put together and focusing on the 10% he doesn't. Collins is going to be a good LB for somebody.

 

[Teague31]

He’s a biscuit short of being a DT

 

[DanA]

I'm not missing the forest for the trees here. Huge, athletic, reads well, tackles well, understands zone... y'all are overlooking the 90% of the pro-level game he's put together and focusing on the 10% he doesn't. Collins is going to be a good LB for somebody.

Does he? I think he's a below average tackler. His single biggest asset IMO is his ability to drop into zone and hands.

 

[Malhavoc]

I'm not missing the forest for the trees here. Huge, athletic, reads well, tackles well, understands zone... y'all are overlooking the 90% of the pro-level game he's put together and focusing on the 10% he doesn't. Collins is going to be a good LB for somebody.

Davis is not as big but much more athletic, reads just as well, tackles as well, and also understands and has a feel for coverage. Might be able to get him in round 2.

 

[RS12]

I think Parsons is more likely to bust than Collins is for starters. Point two is that unless there are trades made I don't think he gets picked. Between the fall back guys if there is a trade I think they pick Darrisaw over Collins.

 

[Malhavoc]

Parsons is arguably the best defensive player in this draft. I don’t think there is the slightest chance of any LB getting drafted by us in round 1.Pitts, Sewell, Surtain, Horn. IMO that’s the order we would take them

 

[reddyuta]

I think Parsons is more likely to bust than Collins is for starters. Point two is that unless there are trades made I don't think he gets picked. Between the fall back guys if there is a trade I think they pick Darrisaw over Collins.

interesting.i like Darrisaw but i have not seen any interest from us.

 

[RS12]

interesting.i like Darrisaw but i have not seen any interest from us.

Rumor is they like Collins and Darrisaw in a trade back. Rumor about a week old. I d be fine with either one. On defense the front 7 is a disaster on offensive line we are aging with multiple question marks. I much prefer this to a non play making DB at 10.

 

[stilltheguru]

How would you use him in Quinn’s scheme?

We'll since we are keeping the two stiffs I wouldnt draft him anyway. I'm on record saying we should trade or cut lve and draft collins. But I know they wont. Id use collins same way we did/do LVE

 

[AsthmaField]

We'll since we are keeping the two stiffs I wouldnt draft him anyway. I'm on record saying we should trade or cut lve and draft collins. But I know they wont. Id use collins same way we did/do LVE

Exactly.

I wouldn’t have spent a first on LVE and I wouldn’t on Collins. I’d rather take a chance on Phillips medical concerns than Collins. At least there’s a chance you get a guy that can be a game changer. 43 DE’s can impact the game.

At LB you just need quick a guy that can chase and hit. Those can be found outside the first round. A 6’5” 260 (270?) pound off the ball LB isn’t going to be what this defense needs. He may be able to change direction very quickly for a guy that size but he still won’t have the quickness that a guy like JOK will have. That is what Quinn needs at LB.

Now tell me that Dallas wants to use Collins as a LEO, and send him after the QB... that is a different story. But to just use him like they use LVE? No thanks.

 

[America's Cowboy]

We heard a lot of buzz about the Cowboys interest in Collins early in the process, but very little until recently. I thought after Quinn was hired they weren't going to consider him as he might be more of a fit for either a 3-4 front or hybrid scheme. That appears not to be the case as Pauline recently said, he could indeed be a trade back target. I heard a rumor that the Cowboys have a top 15 grade on him.

You would think with that size he would be more of a physical player, but he is another finesse type of linebacker that struggles with taking on blocks. He is quite similar to Lve, without the injury concerns. If we are going to take another high linebacker, you would think that player must be a strong run defender, which Collins is not. Give me Parsons, Davis, even Bolton over him as I know our weakness has a chance to improve.

What do you think of LB Jabril Cox?

 

[Majic]

How would you use him in Quinn’s scheme?

Quinn has to adjust his scheme to the player if needed.

We need to concentrate more on getting the best players. I'm hoping 'Quinn's Scheme' is reigned in and McCarthy has installed into him that we are looking for high quality versatile players and go from there

 

[DanA]

I can’t see how Parsons is considered boom or bust. He is the best run player I have seen come out of the draft as an off ball linebacker for a long time.

He is an elite pass rusher for an off-ball linebacker, he’s good at getting off blocks, and always fills his gap, doesn’t miss tackles and almost never makes a mistake. You can say he might not be able to cover...it’s unproven and his back pedal looks raw as sushi in the handful of times we’ve seen it, but he’s as sure a tackler and run defender as I’ve seen.

 

[Cowboyny]

What do you think of LB Jabril Cox?

Cox is excellent in coverage, but a liability against the run. He definitely has some worth, but probably wouldn't touch him until 75.

 

[Brooksey]

LVA was a stud when he was healthy though. A healthy LVE made our defense moderately good in 2018

Bolton misses alot of tackles, and with short arms its not going to get better in the NFL

You keep saying he misses tackles that but he's consensus the best tackling LB in the country and his arms are not short. He's an inside LB measured @ 5'11 237 with 32" inch arms, Micah Parsons measured 6-foot-3, 246 pounds with 31 1/4-inch arms.
He's not supposed to have 35" inch arms like a LT. You don't like him I get it but don't make stuff up..the short arms and 15% missed tackle rate is garbage time stats/stuff.
If you want to say he lacks length against a 6'5 tight end in coverage... that's fine.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm not missing the forest for the trees here. Huge, athletic, reads well, tackles well, understands zone... y'all are overlooking the 90% of the pro-level game he's put together and focusing on the 10% he doesn't. Collins is going to be a good LB for somebody.

Not saying Collins won't be a good linebacker, just don't like his fit here and taking him in the top 15 range. We would be basically replacing Lve with a similar player. This does nothing to help our poor run defense.

 

[Cowboyny]

Davis is not as big but much more athletic, reads just as well, tackles as well, and also understands and has a feel for coverage. Might be able to get him in round 2.

Much rather spend a 2nd rd pick, then a top 15 one on Collins. Davis is a poor man's Parsons. Needs more development in coverage.

 

[Cowboyny]

interesting.i like Darrisaw but i have not seen any interest from us.

Actually, Pauline mentioned Darrisaw as a trade back option the Cowboys like.