Was Dak the best QB of the 2016 draft?

[TwoCentPlain]

After the Rams Super Bowl appearance I certainly was feeling Goff was the best in that draft. I believed it going into that draft. I think most critics did feel after 2018 season and SB run Goff was definitely a better QB than Dak. That’s obviously probably changed some since.

Like I said, just a snapshot in time for these 3 QBs. Right now we are at the 100 meter mark in a 400 meter race and predicting who is the better ‘runner.’

It is fun and interesting debating and predicting. A case can be made for any of the three. A better case can be made that all three are chasing Mahomes and there are about 5 QBs on their heels.

Same argument will be there for Lawrence, Wilson, Vance, and Fields. Trask may best them all in the long run. Who knows? Should be interesting.

 

[Diehardblues]

Like I said, just a snapshot in time for these 3 QBs. Right now we are at the 100 meter mark in a 400 meter race and predicting who is the better ‘runner.’

It is fun and interesting debating and predicting. A case can be made for any of the three. A better case can be made that all three are chasing Mahomes and there are about 5 QBs on their heels.

Same argument will be there for Lawrence, Wilson, Vance, and Fields. Trask may best them all in the long run. Who knows? Should be interesting.

Remember in the context I was replying to which was 3 years after the 2016 draft.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

To answer your question, of course Dak is. But I just want to nitpick a little here. There were 7 QBs selected before Dak.

That's right. Except for Goff, Wentz, and Lynch, all those other guys are forgettable, and I only remember Lynch because Jerry and I wanted him, not because he was any good.

 

[RonnieT24]

@RonnieT24

Games/comp%/yards/TDs
Wentz 68/62.7%/16,812/113
Goff 69/63.4%/18,171/107
Dak 69/66.0%/17,634/106

Not much separating these 3 QBs for the first 5 years. I doubt there will be much difference going forward. So, it comes down to post-season success to differentiate who is the ‘better’ QB.

You can look at QBR or whatever you want to pump up your guy. Bottom line - all three are roughly the same. Who gets the rings will be deemed the ‘better’ of the three. Just the way it is. Eli got two rings. Rivers got 0. Rivers’ superior QBRs and stats mean little.

LMAO.. Fascinating that you stopped short of including interceptions in your little statistical cherry picking exercise. Gee I wonder why that might be.. 40, 50 and 55.. Those are the INT numbers for the three.. again I will leave it to you to decide which one you want.. Frankly I would call that HUGE separation. One guy has a top 5 all time TD/INT ratio.. while the other two.. well.. don't. That same guy with the top 5 INT/TD ratio also has a higher yards/attempt than the other two.. 7.7 to 7.5 and 6.7. This narrow minded insistence that "rings" is the only thing matters wreaks of agenda. Unless you are willing to go ahead and declare that Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were all better than Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Andrew Luck, Tony Romo and any other really good QB who never won a title, I suggest you go ahead and retire that lame argument. Dak is better than those other two goofs.. deal with it.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

That's right. Except for Goff, Wentz, and Lynch, all those other guys are forgettable, and I only remember Lynch because Jerry and I wanted him, not because he was any good.

And not every quarterback got to play on a team with a fresh young Elliot, a good offensive line, and not have to win games right out of college with his arm.
Not saying all the others had to deal with lacking those things, just noting that Dak had a really good set up on the Cowboys day 1.

Not to mention Romo to mentor him....

 

[Diehardblues]

That's right. Except for Goff, Wentz, and Lynch, all those other guys are forgettable, and I only remember Lynch because Jerry and I wanted him, not because he was any good.

No doubt Dak had turned out quite a gem as a 4th round pick.

But would he have fared as well going to most of those other teams. Dallas in 2016 was a great offense and opportunity to step into.

Did he make the most of it? Looks like it unless you see squandering home field but situations do make a difference. Just saying..

I think it’s a worthy argument if some of these others might have had similar or more success in same situation,

 

[RonnieT24]

There’s one reason why Dak has turned out to be clearly the best QB of the class. Consistency.

Across his 4 years as a starter he’s never posted a QB rating below 85.0, & averaged 97.3 across this time. Unlike Goff/Wentzie who both own a ring, Dak gets better w/time & remains the franchise QB w/the same team. That's proof right there Superbowl rings don't go to great QB's.

Well Goff aint got no Super Bowl ring and Wentz played as many snaps in his team's Super Bowl run as you and I did. Dak is better.. and it really seems to bother some people.. Let's keep reminding them of it as much as possible.. Should be fun..

 

[RonnieT24]

And not every quarterback got to play on a team with a fresh young Elliot, a good offensive line, and not have to win games right out of college with his arm.
Not saying all the others had to deal with lacking those things, just noting that Dak had a really good set up on the Cowboys day 1.

Not to mention Romo to mentor him....

Come on man.. I love Tony too but most reports were that Romo didn't want nothin to do with "mentoring" Dak. He wanted his job back.. All the mentoring came from Sanchez.. at least that is what has been reported.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Well Goff aint got no championship ring and Wentz played as many snaps in his team's Super Bowl run as you and I did. Dak is better.. and it really seems to bother some people.. Let's keep reminding them of it as much as possible.. Should be fun..

Of course we need to refrain from final judgment until all their careers are over. Yes Wentz has a ring and Goff has been to a SB, but none of their careers are over at this time.

At this point it's all "so far"....

 

[Diehardblues]

Well Goff aint got no championship ring and Wentz played as many snaps in his team's Super Bowl run as you and I did. Dak is better.. and it really seems to bother some people.. Let's keep reminding them of it as much as possible.. Should be fun..

It appears Dak is emerging as the better QB. But that hadn’t always been crystal clear. Goff did lead the Rams to a Super Bowl and have been a perineal playoff contender.

 

[RonnieT24]

No doubt Dak had turned out quite a gem as a 4th round pick.

But would he have fared as well going to most of those other teams. Dallas in 2016 was a great offense and opportunity to step into.

Did he make the most of it? Looks like it unless you see squandering home field but situations do make a difference. Just saying..

I think it’s a worthy argument if some of these others might have had similar or more success in same situation,

Putting up 31 points passing for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in a playoff game.. I have a hard time blaming Dak for "squandering" anything in that game. I think I would cast a long look at the other side of the ball for that one.

 

[Diehardblues]

Come on man.. I love Tony too but most reports were that Romo didn't want nothin to do with "mentoring" Dak. He wanted his job back.. All the mentoring came from Sanchez.. at least that is what has been reported.

Yea his argument was sound without mentioning mentoring Dak which I’d agree with you.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Come on man.. I love Tony too but most reports were that Romo didn't want nothin to do with "mentoring" Dak. He wanted his job back.. All the mentoring came from Sanchez.. at least that is what has been reported.

Hard to see Romo ignoring Dak, I think he wanted the Cowboys to win. And "reports" aren't always accurate. But even if so, yes, Sanchez, who'd been to an AFC championship game, certainly had knowledge that would help Dak....

 

[cowboy_ron]

Yes without a doubt

 

[Diehardblues]

Putting up 31 points passing for 300+ yards and 3 TDs in a playoff game.. I have a hard time blaming Dak for "squandering" anything in that game. I think I would cast a long look at the other side of the ball for that one.

QB’s often receive too much credit or blame. If we’d of won probably would have been credited for leading us.

I didn’t mean to insinuate he squandered it single handed but the point remains we did as a team. And that defense was enough to win home field advantage.

Our defense certainly could be blamed for how it ended but Dak had some opportunities as well.

 

[aikemirv]

Individual awards are good but only become great when one adds a ring.

This is not tennis. It is a stupid argument to say that ones greatness is determined in a team sport with 21 other starters by a team title. I don't really know how you can logically say that with a straight face.

 

[CouchCoach]

Only time will tell but one thing for certain, he's a hell of a lot better than Lynch or Cook. Dak Prescott has proven he's a better QB than the Joneses are at picking them.

 

[USArmyVet]

LMAO.. Fascinating that you stopped short of including interceptions in your little statistical cherry picking exercise. Gee I wonder why that might be.. 40, 50 and 55.. Those are the INT numbers for the three.. again I will leave it to you to decide which one you want.. Frankly I would call that HUGE separation. One guy has a top 5 all time TD/INT ratio.. while the other two.. well.. don't. That same guy with the top 5 INT/TD ratio also has a higher yards/attempt than the other two.. 7.7 to 7.5 and 6.7. This narrow minded insistence that "rings" is the only thing matters wreaks of agenda. Unless you are willing to go ahead and declare that Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were all better than Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Andrew Luck, Tony Romo and any other really good QB who never won a title, I suggest you go ahead and retire that lame argument. Dak is better than those other two goofs.. deal with it.

....and that supposed Top 5 Dak you referred to has a career 29-24 record after his 13-3 rookie season so not much to write home about.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not Dak's biggest fan by any stretch, but I've always believed he was better than Goff. Even on his Super Bowl run I was not all that impressed. I also think Wentz has all the tools but is fragile mentally. Under perfect conditions he can thrive, but as soon as things get tough he tends to crawl back in his shell.

I do think Dak has gotten better, by how much is yet to be determined imho. But I'm hoping he proves me wrong.

How has he not proven you wrong already?

And dont bother saying lead his team to this or that. Dak only plays QB for the offense. QB's dont carry whole teams or defenses that are as bad as the Cowboys has been lately.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

After the Rams Super Bowl appearance I certainly was feeling Goff was the best in that draft. I believed it going into that draft. I think most critics did feel after 2018 season and SB run Goff was definitely a better QB than Dak. That’s obviously probably changed some since.

Goff and Wentz went to Super Bowls and Dak has never been spoken of as a Top 5 QB in the NFL.

One can easily make the argument that Goff never really ‘made’ it to the SB. The refs gifted the Rams a SB appearance.

Just like one can say the refs gifted a SB appearance to Brady with the tuck call.

Subtract that Ram playoff victory and SB loss from Goff’s record (since Goff shouldn’t have been there) and Goff has the same playoff record as Dak - 1 win 2 losses.