Was Dak the best QB of the 2016 draft?

[TwoCentPlain]

By that definition Trent Dilfer was a great QB and Marino wasn’t

Had you been paying attention ... Notice I said earlier that Wentz, Goff, and Dak will have similar passing stats at the end of their careers and the best of the 3 will be the one with the better post-season success, which ultimately is rings.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I really hate threads involving hindsight. Revisiting what could have been will drive you crazy if you let it. What if we gave Hitchens the contract Jaylon got and let Jaylon's rookie deal expire? What if we had drafted Randy Moss rather than Greg Ellis? Drafted Steven Jackson rather than Julius Jones?

Wow! You dislike a lot of things posters do on this site.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

You don't know that, and neither does anyone else. It's a nice thought if Dak ends up with a few rings but it's just not reality at this point.

Yeah, like you know, it is a guess, an opinion.

Maybe I am another Nostradamus.

 

[gimmesix]

If you watched all 3 of those players over the last 5 years then it should be very clear that Goff is #3. Wentz I loved his arm and skillset the first two years. I thought he was a better passer than Dak. But after 5 years its clear that along with the injury issue, Wentz just isnt a great leader like Dak is. Dak's #1 quality is his over the top leadership. Dak is clearly the better overall QB. And Dak is only going to get better with the defense and coaching improving.

That's what I believe. However, I guess I hedge my bets a little because I'm not 100 percent sure "Dak is only going to get better." It's most likely that Wentz and Goff won't be able to do anything to close the gap. However, maybe the change in scenery will prove to be a Ryan Tannehill-type situation for them.

I think it's pretty safe to say Dak is the best QB in that class. I just tend to consider the what-ifs.

 

[conner01]

Had you been paying attention ... Notice I said earlier that Wentz, Goff, and Dak will have similar passing stats at the end of their careers and the best of the 3 will be the one with the better post-season success, which ultimately is rings.

I don’t see Wentz having similar numbers
He sure hasn’t so far

 

[speedkilz88]

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?

The scouts had very little to do with it. The coaches liked Dak, with Wade Wilson being the top believer in him. Even to the point he told Dak ahead of time what to say when taking questions from the team.

 

[JoeKing]

Wow! You dislike a lot of things posters do on this site.

You have no idea!

 

[conner01]

Yep, he is the best from that draft class and it was sheer blind luck on the Jones' part that he turned out that way.
They were ride or die with Romo who's body just couldn't handle the punishment any longer, yet did nothing to bring in a quality backup despite Romo's injury history.
Just lucky Dak was better than everyone expected.

Better lucky than good
The HOF is full of guys who’s pick was luck lol

 

[john van brocklin]

Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams. I guess it's possible that Wentz could prove himself great in Indy or that Goff could become a force in Detroit, but we'll have to wait to see what happens. At first it looked like Wentz was going to turn out to be the best. I saw him make some amazing throws, but something seemed to happen to him. He definitely regressed.

For me the big surprise was how bad Paxton Lynch played for the Broncos. He's who I wanted the Cowboys to draft, and Jerry was trying to. After the Zeke pick, Jerry tried unsuccessfully to trade up back into the first round to get Lynch, but the Broncos beat him out. Lynch played really well in college, and the evaluators ranked him highly. He looked like the guy to me. But he's been a journeyman backup, and I'm not even sure if he's even still in the league.

You just never know, I guess. I'd like to think that Jerry got the best QB of 2016 by being a genius, but I don't think that's true. He would have rather had Paxton Lynch at the time. But the Cowboys scouting team had done their homework well enough to realize that Dak had tremendous potential and was worth chancing a 4th-round pick on him.

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?

Clearly

 

[nobody]

How is it even in question? Dak is hands down and without a doubt the best QB of the 2016 draft.

 

[Brax]

Yes all that equals a hater. Duh.

Seek help for you mental problems there is hope with counseling.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's what I believe. However, I guess I hedge my bets a little because I'm not 100 percent sure "Dak is only going to get better." It's most likely that Wentz and Goff won't be able to do anything to close the gap. However, maybe the change in scenery will prove to be a Ryan Tannehill-type situation for them.

I think it's pretty safe to say Dak is the best QB in that class. I just tend to consider the what-ifs.

If Wentz can stay healthy he should do well there. Perfect opportunity for him.

 

[RonnieT24]

Nope, it will always be about the ring. Look at Marino. The only stat people remember about him is ‘no ring.’ Great player but no ring.

I personally would give Wentz his ring for that year. He led that team to the playoffs and was playing pretty well from what I can remember.

I can guarantee you that if the roles were reversed and it was Dak who got hurt and the Cowboys went on to win, the Dak-worshippers here would count that ring. No doubt at all.

This sort of thing always comes down to how you feel about the guy. Wentz had a great 11-12 game stretch which MAY have ended in a championship for him. But it didn't.. He got hurt.. like he always does.. Getting hurt and missing time is part of the package with him. For the rest of his career he has been vastly inferior to Dak Prescott. So he has been better for maybe 20% of the games in their careers. To me that says Dak is the better player. It's interesting that people bring up playoff performance ..

Here are the career passer ratings for the three guys..

79.9
89.2
97.3

I will leave it to yall to figure out which rating goes with which player..

Then yall can go ahead and decide which QB you want... If that doesn't help you decide chew on this.. One guy has had three seasons with a QBR above 70 and only one below 60. One guy has had one such season and has been below 50 in two of his seasons. The third guy has never had a QBR higher than 63.6 and has been below 60 in 4 of his 5 seasons.

Again.. you decide which one you want at the helm of your team.

 

[waving monkey]

Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams. I guess it's possible that Wentz could prove himself great in Indy or that Goff could become a force in Detroit, but we'll have to wait to see what happens. At first it looked like Wentz was going to turn out to be the best. I saw him make some amazing throws, but something seemed to happen to him. He definitely regressed.

since this is all opinion I think its clear Dak was the best 16 QB. I dont think Goff or Wince were bad QB's but Goff never had the "look"

For me the big surprise was how bad Paxton Lynch played for the Broncos. He's who I wanted the Cowboys to draft, and Jerry was trying to. After the Zeke pick, Jerry tried unsuccessfully to trade up back into the first round to get Lynch, but the Broncos beat him out. Lynch played really well in college, and the evaluators ranked him highly. He looked like the guy to me. But he's been a journeyman backup, and I'm not even sure if he's even still in the league.

You just never know, I guess. I'd like to think that Jerry got the best QB of 2016 by being a genius, but I don't think that's true. He would have rather had Paxton Lynch at the time. But the Cowboys scouting team had done their homework well enough to realize that Dak had tremendous potential and was worth chancing a 4th-round pick on him.

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@RonnieT24

Games/comp%/yards/TDs
Wentz 68/62.7%/16,812/113
Goff 69/63.4%/18,171/107
Dak 69/66.0%/17,634/106

Not much separating these 3 QBs for the first 5 years. I doubt there will be much difference going forward. So, it comes down to post-season success to differentiate who is the ‘better’ QB.

You can look at QBR or whatever you want to pump up your guy. Bottom line - all three are roughly the same. Who gets the rings will be deemed the ‘better’ of the three. Just the way it is. Eli got two rings. Rivers got 0. Rivers’ superior QBRs and stats mean little.

 

[Flamma]

Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams.

To answer your question, of course Dak is. But I just want to nitpick a little here. There were 7 QBs selected before Dak.

 

[phildadon86]

As of right now, yes.

I think he is def. better than Goff. Wentz is still the question mark for me. I think he turns things around with the Colts and gets back to form.

Oh. So you mean wentz needed to go somewhere where the team is already built for him to succeed? I thought Dak was the only QB that needed help to win.

 

[Ranched]

There’s one reason why Dak has turned out to be clearly the best QB of the class. Consistency.

Across his 4 years as a starter he’s never posted a QB rating below 85.0, & averaged 97.3 across this time. Unlike Goff/Wentzie who both own a ring, Dak gets better w/time & remains the franchise QB w/the same team. That's proof right there Superbowl rings don't go to great QB's.

 

[acr731]

There’s one reason why Dak has turned out to be clearly the best QB of the class. Consistency. He consistently fails to do well in the playoffs, if he even makes it there.

Across his 4 years as a starter he’s never posted a QB rating below 85.0, & averaged 97.3 across this time. And that has done nothing for the team.

Unlike Goff/Wentzie who both own a ring, Dak gets better w/time & remains the franchise QB w/the same team. Wentz has a ring, Goff played in a super bowl but didn't win. Dak struggles to get past the first round, but hey, at least he is still with the team that drafted him. Maybe he should have held out for 65m a year based on that fact alone. Except that he's only loyal because he knew Jerry would cave to his demands.

That's proof right there Super bowl rings don't go to great QB's. Maybe not, but give me someone who gives you a better chance to at least compete. Someone who isn't all about his personal stats and actually wants to accomplish something big for the team.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

First thing you said that I can agree with. Many Dak trolls thought Goff was great. You are right, he had McVay and a great surrounding cast. It was obvious Dak was better.

Changing opinions is great. Sadly, many stick with an opinion regardless because their ego cant handle it.

I'm not Dak's biggest fan by any stretch, but I've always believed he was better than Goff. Even on his Super Bowl run I was not all that impressed. I also think Wentz has all the tools but is fragile mentally. Under perfect conditions he can thrive, but as soon as things get tough he tends to crawl back in his shell.

I do think Dak has gotten better, by how much is yet to be determined imho. But I'm hoping he proves me wrong.