Twitter: Stephen Jones admits they would have reached for a cornerback had Horn or Surtain been there

[Diehardblues]

what did you expect him to say.... well we really wanted someone else, but at that point in the draft we were stuck with the guy we got....???????????????????/
That would be like any of the teams that missed out on Lawrence saying, well, since Lawrence was gone, we are just hoping for the best with this long shot QB we got stuck with....

Then what is the purpose or intent with coming out now and saying Parsons wasn’t their initial choice?

 

[Diehardblues]

yawn... I can name 28 GMs that have done jack and wont do Jack.. thats why 5 or so get fired every year. Then a team hits the magic pill that solves all Ills ( a stud QB) and all of the sudden the GM is a genius. Next GM to be great is in Charger land.

I understand that about half of the GM’s don’t have anymore success . But they get fired or move on. And they at least have an opportunity to get it right the next time. We are stuck.

And if you truly believe it completely revolves around the next HOF caliber QB then you can’t be too happy with our GM this era with the QB’s we’ve had.

 

[Cowpolk]

I understand that about half of the GM’s don’t have anymore success . But they get fired or move on. And they at least have an opportunity to get it right the next time. We are stuck.

Jerry will get it right again despite himself It is accidentally going to happen. Soon

 

[Reid1boys]

I understand that about half of the GM’s don’t have anymore success . But they get fired or move on. And they at least have an opportunity to get it right the next time. We are stuck.

And if you truly believe it completely revolves around the next HOF caliber QB then you can’t be too happy with our GM this era with the QB’s we’ve had.

if only we followed that recipe to land the HOF qb. Its so easy. How many the Dolphins had after Marino? How has the Broncos QB hunt gone since Elway? How bout Cleveland? The Jets? Strangely(except for Manning led Broncos) none of those teams have any SB wins? hmmm, no qb, no sb.. imagine that? I could name more, but we all know it wont matter.

 

[T-RO]

Yep. We thought Parsons was the best but oh yeah we would have taken one of those cornerbacks. I mean, naturally.

This is the vaccine we should really be worried about.

Your argument is brittle and collapses to powder.

Parsons was considered the best defensive players by MANY MANY folks. But those same folks didn't have him going in the top 10 or even top 12.

Why? A cornerback with an 8 grade is more valuable than a great linebacker w/a 9 grade.

Do you need me to embarrass you again to prove this?

 

[Diehardblues]

if only we followed that recipe to land the HOF qb. Its so easy. How many the Dolphins had after Marino? How has the Broncos QB hunt gone since Elway? How bout Cleveland? The Jets? Strangely(except for Manning led Broncos) none of those teams have any SB wins? hmmm, no qb, no sb.. imagine that? I could name more, but we all know it wont matter.

But yet you’re ok with Jethro for not following your model?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Give me your gaussian distribition, pvalue tstat and sample size, std dev, r-square, it was your hypothesis which assumes you have all the data for corollary that it "is just football"

Unless you just throw out some stat lingo as an argumentum ab auctoritate with only guesstimates to back it up.

Its onlyAC or DC, 2, 3 or 4 phase electrical circuits by the way...no need for stats...right?

It is a free country. You are free to take any statistic or data and correlate it or show causation. You are free to choose whatever statistical parameters you like to prove out whatever it is you are trying to say. I assume you are speaking about your GM data you spoke so highly about. It is your data (I suppose) on the GM.

"Its onlyAC or DC, 2, 3 or 4 phase electrical circuits by the way...no need for stats...right?" - I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Actually i did, pretty advanced degree, and there is a skew factor versus a some simplictic gaussian distribution.

You can typically view the multivariate factors by the priority order players are acquired after the franchise QB

Take your pick

 

[Corso]

Give me your gaussian distribition, pvalue tstat and sample size, std dev, r-square, it was your hypothesis which assumes you have all the data for corollary that it "is just football"

Unless you just throw out some stat lingo as an argumentum ab auctoritate with only guesstimates to back it up.

Its onlyAC or DC, 2, 3 or 4 phase electrical circuits by the way...no need for stats...right?

I need you to help be break into a...
Nothing.

Nothing at all. *wink

 

[Kwyn]

My argument is no gm is any better than another. The draft is a crapshoot every year. Back in the day there was serious debate over who would better...Leaf or Manning. Tells you how inexact drafting players really is.

There’s a lot more to being a GM than draft selections. For most teams, the scouting director and their team do all of thre heavy lifting and the GM provides feedback and helps ensure the board aligned with the rest of the roster

GM’s show their differentiation from one another in contracts, free agency, trades and roster management.

 

[john van brocklin]

Uh ah ah ah ah.

Would not have been the worse thing

 

[Reid1boys]

There’s a lot more to being a GM than draft selections. For most teams, the scouting director and their team do all of thre heavy lifting and the GM provides feedback and helps ensure the board aligned with the rest of the roster

GM’s show their differentiation from one another in contracts, free agency, trades and roster management.

Again, they all do the same thing. Watch how good the chargers gm is about to get at doing all those things you just listed. . He must have taken extra gm zoom courses over the past year.

 

[Risen Star]

Your argument is brittle and collapses to powder.

Parsons was considered the best defensive players by MANY MANY folks. But those same folks didn't have him going in the top 10 or even top 12.

Why? A cornerback with an 8 grade is more valuable than a great linebacker w/a 9 grade.

Do you need me to embarrass you again to prove this?

Yes, prove this. I want to laugh at your attempt.

 

[Corso]

Yes, prove this. I want to laugh at your attempt.

I'm in the mood to see SOMEBODY to get embarrassed.

I'm all aquiver with anticipation!

 

[HungryLion]

Yes, prove this. I want to laugh at your attempt.

i honestly don’t get the attitudes towards LB amongst some folks.

I am trying to think back to some of the best defenses in the past couple of decades. They almost all have had a stud LB or two that were a key player for the defense.

Ravens: Ray Lewis
Seattle: Bobby Wagner
Panthers: Keuchly
Bears: Urlacher
Bucs: years with Derrick Brooks. Most recently Devin White
49ers: Patrick Willis
Patriots: Hightower most recently but previously guys like Vrabel, Mcginest, Bruschi

I mean. I just don’t get where the idea came from that LB’s aren’t impact players for a defense. There is a long long list of great LB’s who have been absolute difference makers for a defense. Even in the modern NFL

 

[AKATheRake]

We had him rated higher but we would have taken someone else.

To the educated that's reaching and to the uneducated they wait for a front office to actually say the word.

Whatever way you want to massage what you said.

Surtain was taken 1 pick before us. We traded back afterwards.

Whatever agenda you got.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Uh ah ah ah ah.

I've always wanted Parsons from the start. If they had reached for eaither one of those corners I'd be pissed.

Corners don't usually make an impact their first year. Plus we needed an impact player. Parsons is a player that can make an impact on any team.

His 4.3 in the 40 at 245lbs is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Last year Lions CB Okudah was the supposed best CB in the draft and performed like Bobby Carpenter. He stunk and is looking for confidence. Diggs is much better than Okudah. Lions would have been much better off ‘reaching’ at #3 for Diggs.

Who knows how Surtain or Horn will turn out? It is early yet but it looks like they are off to good starts in camp. So is Joseph. We will soon see how Joseph compares to Surtain and Horn. If Joseph is nearly as good as Surtain and Horn, then the Cowboys made out like bandits.

 

[gimmesix]

Horn and Surtain were gone and they picked Parsons so this is all nitpicking. Time to move on.

Very true. It's not like we were going to "reach" for players who went after the player we picked. We were eyeing two corners who went before the player we picked.

So even though we had Parsons rated higher, either the teams that took Horn and Surtain didn't or they did the same thing Dallas would have done.

Clearly, the corners were higher valued even if they weren't higher rated.

 

[gimmesix]

i honestly don’t get the attitudes towards LB amongst some folks.

I am trying to think back to some of the best defenses in the past couple of decades. They almost all have had a stud LB or two that were a key player for the defense.

Ravens: Ray Lewis
Seattle: Bobby Wagner
Panthers: Keuchly
Bears: Urlacher
Bucs: years with Derrick Brooks. Most recently Devin White
49ers: Patrick Willis
Patriots: Hightower most recently but previously guys like Vrabel, Mcginest, Bruschi

I mean. I just don’t get where the idea came from that LB’s aren’t impact players for a defense. There is a long long list of great LB’s who have been absolute difference makers for a defense. Even in the modern NFL

For us, I don't think it was a matter of Parsons not being viewed as an impact player or difference maker. I think it was simply a matter of who we had at each position.

At linebacker, we had a No. 1 pick (LVE), a No. 2 pick (Smith) and a No. 1 pick (Neal). At corner, we had a No. 2 pick (Diggs), then a steep dropoff with Brown, Lewis, Canady, Goodwin and Robinson.

Upgrading linebacker was a fine want, but we needed a starting corner.