Twitter: Stephen Jones admits they would have reached for a cornerback had Horn or Surtain been there

[HungryLion]

I’m not here actually arguing whether he was the better pick.

I hear ya man.


I think the thing that bothers some fans the most is the wasted capital at LB.


Jaylon with a 2nd as big contract.

LVE with a first.

just because Jaylon was seriously hurt and has never been the same. And LVE can’t stay healthy. Doesn’t mean it’s unwise for the cowboys to go for a top notch Lb. or thar LB isn’t a “impact position” like some want to argue.

but that’s JMO

 

[Big_D]

I hear ya man.


I think the thing that bothers some fans the most is the wasted capital at LB.


Jaylon with a 2nd as big contract.

LVE with a first.

just because Jaylon was seriously hurt and has never been the same. And LVE can’t stay healthy. Doesn’t mean it’s unwise for the cowboys to go for a top notch Lb. or thar LB isn’t a “impact position” like some want to argue.

but that’s JMO

Plus they were the previous coaches picks. New coach, all bets are off on what people think the depth of the team is. Even 2 high picks at LB and the position was a serious problem. Does any fan really think drafting a CB and sticking with last years set of LBs was the better route than the one taken? Just seems very counter productive.

 

[Reid1boys]

Sure. But you’re not supposed to draft lesser players for need. At least ideally you’re not supposed to.

you re supposed to just follow the GM for dummies guidebook, right? What is a lessor player anyways? Lessor in who's mind? I remember half of the GMs back in the day thought Manning was less of a player than Ryan Leif. There is no right or wrong when it comes to drafting players. Every draft, every round there will be a dozen or more teams that draft a player they thought was the right guy, only to see three years later they could have drafted player x,y, or z that ended up being a pro bowler. If there was just a simple formula the draft would just be done by a computer each year.

 

[CATCH17]

I think that judgement is more than a little premature. I wouldn't pass judgement on ANY HC after 1 totally crazy, unreal season like last year. Last year with the Cowboys would've been a total nightmare for any new HC.

This is looking at it very simply but we never improved last year and there was nothing in game worth noting.

Dallas was a poorly coached football team a year ago and he doesn’t deserve a pass because he showed no signs of improvement anywhere.

 

[Reid1boys]

What's funny is it looks like they not only got the best defender in the draft, but another starting caliber CB in the 2nd. Draft value is just another phrase that gets tossed around. The fact is they ended up with great value on the trade back and quality players on the return. It's all you could ask for. No injuries or stupid gambles specially in the early rounds... or tradeups, it just makes no sense and Jerry loves doing it. I haven't seen any of that in the past 2 drafts. Drafting D, getting some playmakers in here and people still cry??! What's happening right now is a huge difference from the Garrett/Marinelli years. I get the apprehension but this team has drafted well and smart the past 2 seasons.

They have drafted smart in your very subjective mind. You obviously didnt like JG, so you got the change you wanted and now you want the change to be successful. There is no way to know if the past 2 drafts have been good or bad until 2-3 more years down the road. Parsons could end up being crap. How can you possibly say we got the best defender in the draft? He hasnt played a single down in the NFL..... but again, you want it to be so. Amazing how differently moves are viewed when you like/prefer one person vs the other.

 

[Batman1980]

Well, addressing the secondary really is a reach...for this FO.

They got burned by the Morris Claiborne pick and they were still going to reach? Tells me they didn't learn their lesson.

 

[Reid1boys]

This is looking at it very simply but we never improved last year and there was nothing in game worth noting.

Dallas was a poorly coached football team a year ago and he doesn’t deserve a pass because he showed no signs of improvement anywhere.

But he has a SB title... and dont you forget it, and he isnt JG, and he doesnt clap and cheer on his players, and he doesnt have red hair. He must be an improvement over who was here. Last year he didnt get to have a real training camp and he had to deal with covid, and IM pretty sure he was the only coach in the league that had those conditions..... at least thats what I read in here.

 

[Batman1980]

Jason Garrett is fundamentally unfit to be a coach at the professional level.

 

[Reid1boys]

They got burned by the Morris Claiborne pick and they were still going to reach? Tells me they didn't learn their lesson.

Wasnt Claiborne called the best corner in the draft coming out? Dafrting him that high wasnt considered a reach. All of the draft experts were singing the praises of Claiborne coming out of college...... and yet ANOTHER example of how the draft is a crapshoot.

 

[Batman1980]

Claiborne is trash and cornerbacks are not worth top 5 picks unless they're generational talents. Fletcher Cox would've been the right pick there.

 

[HungryLion]

you re supposed to just follow the GM for dummies guidebook, right? What is a lessor player anyways? Lessor in who's mind? I remember half of the GMs back in the day thought Manning was less of a player than Ryan Leif. There is no right or wrong when it comes to drafting players. Every draft, every round there will be a dozen or more teams that draft a player they thought was the right guy, only to see three years later they could have drafted player x,y, or z that ended up being a pro bowler. If there was just a simple formula the draft would just be done by a computer each year.

Yeah. I don’t believe it’s “just dumb luck”. Sorry any amount of responses you give me isn’t going to convince me that the Jones’ are fine GM’s. They’re just unlucky.

 

[Big_D]

They have drafted smart in your very subjective mind. You obviously didnt like JG, so you got the change you wanted and now you want the change to be successful. There is no way to know if the past 2 drafts have been good or bad until 2-3 more years down the road. Parsons could end up being crap. How can you possibly say we got the best defender in the draft? He hasnt played a single down in the NFL..... but again, you want it to be so. Amazing how differently moves are viewed when you like/prefer one person vs the other.

lol a lot of teams had him as the top rated defender. A multi talented LB who can do a number of things include take on and shed blocks. Something they don't do very well here. Been basically getting run over for years. Plus he comes from a great LB school. But in comparison to drafting a guy in a wheelchair at 34 or another injury red flag in the 1st I really see your point. Carry on about JGs greatness. He was a complete turd. And if you don't already see a difference on the DL in 2 seasons, you're fooling yourself. Matter of fact when he left it was basically Hill. Last man standing on the interior DL him and Marinelli built after a decade.

And he wouldn't even be here if they didn't get completely embarrassed in the Ram game.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Yeah. I don’t believe it’s “just dumb luck”. Sorry any amount of responses you give me isn’t going to convince me that the Jones’ are fine GM’s. They’re just unlucky.

Blind hate will do that to people.

 

[Reid1boys]

lol a lot of teams had him as the top rated defender. A multi talented LB who can do a number of things include take on and shed blocks. Something they don't do very well here. Been basically getting run over for years. Plus he comes from a great LB school. But in comparison to drafting a guy in a wheelchair at 34 or another injury red flag in the 1st I really see your point. Carry on about JGs greatness. He was a complete turd. And if you don't already see a difference on the DL in 2 seasons, you're fooling yourself. Matter of fact when he left it was basically Hill. Last man standing on the interior DL him and Marinelli built after a decade.

And he wouldn't even be here if they didn't get completely embarrassed in the Ram game.

Alot of teams said??? bahahahhah. Im sure a lot of teams said Claiborne was a for sure bet prior to the draft his year also. You obviously dont pay attention. Please show me where I said JG was great? NOWHERE will you find such a claim. A difference in the Dline? Considering they havent played a single game yet..... but you see some huge difference? Are you at camp evaluating this great improvement int he dline? If not, you cant say one way or the other,... you are going by youtube videos and OTHERS ACTUAL OPINION.

And this guy... Randy Gregory might have a little to do with Dline improvement. Good thing Big Mike went out and got him.

 

[HungryLion]

Blind hate will do that to people.

No. It’s not blind hate. Him posting his defenses of the Jones’ won’t change my opinion of them.

The only thing that will do that is actual results. If the Jones’ want to put together a team that actually gets to an NFC championship game, then my opinion on their job performance will change.

that’s not blind hate. It’s called being rational. My opinion of the Jones’ performance is based strictly on the results.

 

[coult44]

Uh ah ah ah ah.

The DB from West Virginia would’ve been a reach. The other two would not have been a reach.

 

[Buzzbait]

This is looking at it very simply but we never improved last year and there was nothing in game worth noting.

Dallas was a poorly coached football team a year ago and he doesn’t deserve a pass because he showed no signs of improvement anywhere.

Improvement? From what, a totally decimated OL, washed up 2nd string QB, a defense devoid of talent, and a new coaching staff, on top of a pandemic year with all that entailed?? Any noticeable improvement from a mess like that would've required a miracle.
You don't expect much do ya?

If this year produces no marked improvement, then I'll be at the front of the line with you looking for a HC, but till then he deserves a fair chance.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

No. It’s not blind hate. Him posting his defenses of the Jones’ won’t change my opinion of them.

The only thing that will do that is actual results. If the Jones’ want to put together a team that actually gets to an NFC championship game, then my opinion on their job performance will change.

that’s not blind hate. It’s called being rational. My opinion of the Jones’ performance is based strictly on the results.

Is it fair to grade someone on things beyond their control using hindsight?

Is it fair for someone to say to a couple that one will grade them after one sees the baby years later?

 

[CATCH17]

Improvement? From what, a totally decimated OL, washed up 2nd string QB, a defense devoid of talent, and a new coaching staff, on top of a pandemic year with all that entailed?? Any noticeable improvement from a mess like that would've required a miracle.
You don't expect much do ya?

If this year produces no marked improvement, then I'll be at the front of the line with you looking for a HC, but till then he deserves a fair chance.

He started bad, he continued to be bad in the middle of the season, and he finished bad.


Literally nothing we can point to. He was the wrong guy for the job and if he doesn’t do anything this year it’s time to move on.

 

[coult44]

No. It’s not blind hate. Him posting his defenses of the Jones’ won’t change my opinion of them.

The only thing that will do that is actual results. If the Jones’ want to put together a team that actually gets to an NFC championship game, then my opinion on their job performance will change.

that’s not blind hate. It’s called being rational. My opinion of the Jones’ performance is based strictly on the results.

I fall more on the “rational” results side than I do on the homer side. WTBS, with your logic, you shouldn’t watch until after they perform and reach a title game. Wait until they perform well and win a NFC championship, then jump on that wagon back into town. Or you can see that with the new staff additions, and the new players they have brought in this off season, they’ve actually done a lot of the stuff that fans like you and me have been screaming for them to do.

Other than one more good vet OL, I’m good with the additions. I’m not the fan who is good on bringing in retread QB’s for backups, it NEVER works out and is a waste of money. Every competing team is a franchise QB injury away from looking like the 2020 Cowboys. After watching every second of TC so far this year, I really think they drafted well to fill some major holes.

We will be better on defense for sure. Quinn alone makes it a different team. The DL with Gregory being full time is way better. The LB’s are trending up because #9 won’t be who we are relying on, Parsons is for real. The DB’s are young and being lead buy a true shutdown corner in Diggs. Most importantly, they have finally decided the safety position is important, and worth investing in.

Which player, or what position do you think should have been brought in? What are the things you don’t think were addressed?