Martin not playing Tackle just proves the coaches don’t get it

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There is no logical explanation to not play Martin at Tackle over this 5 game stretch.

Martin has the ability to play Tackle at a high level and you are purposely making yourself worse for whatever reason.

If Dallas can’t figure this out then we got coaching problems still. Martin shouldn’t have a say in this either. He’s paid to do a job and it’s not a permanent switch. It’s a short term solution that fixes a big problem.

This is a clear obvious move and if anything happens because of our right tackle it’s 100% on the decision makers who saw the obvious thing to do and ignored it.
Martin will be a Hall of Famer at guard. He was injured last season as a tackle. Also, the run and inside protection for Dak Prescott is much better with Martin at right guard. The run and passing lanes improve with Martin inside...look, before someone leaps, maybe.
 

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Martin will be a Hall of Famer at guard. He was injured last season as a tackle. Also, the run and inside protection for Dak Prescott is much better with Martin at right guard. The run and passing lanes improve with Martin inside...look, before someone leaps, maybe.

I fully understand Martin is a better guard than Tackle.

It makes no difference to me in our current situation.
 

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If we had Frederick at C, I may feel a little different about putting Martin out of position. Isn't Steele our swing tackle?
 

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There is no logical explanation to not play Martin at Tackle over this 5 game stretch.

Martin has the ability to play Tackle at a high level and you are purposely making yourself worse for whatever reason.

If Dallas can’t figure this out then we got coaching problems still. Martin shouldn’t have a say in this either. He’s paid to do a job and it’s not a permanent switch. It’s a short term solution that fixes a big problem.

This is a clear obvious move and if anything happens because of our right tackle it’s 100% on the decision makers who saw the obvious thing to do and ignored it.

I’m one of maybe the few that believes it’s more of a vulnerable injury risk to swing Martin outside to tackle, at this age (31 yrs in ’21) and stage of his age and career.
I am one that also believe the extended challenge outside playing on an open island placed more of a physical strain on his body, and that even led to the calf strain.
Thank goodness that he did not suffer an Achilles tendon tear.
I think the club will only resort to this Martin move to RT, if it was a desperate, last resort per injury depth issue.

- Where I ever still believe these coaches really blew it is, instead of choosing to flex Conner Williams as a utility OT, (where he excelled at that position role in college at UT)
they chose to force him to play utility center, a position he’s never played at either college or NFL, and where he struggled the entire summer attempting to make the C transition.

- Also if we're really so terrified of our backups, and cannot trust them, then they really don't need to be on this roster.
They have no problem going with Brandon Knight an out-placed OG turn to emergency OT.

- And they have no problem rolling out scrubs Terrence Steele and Ty Nysekhe – and Josh Ball was gonna be a developmental process type OT.
But yet OL coach Philibin wasn't keen on moving and coaching up the young and athletic Williams as a utility emergency OT..??

:rolleyes:
 

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Playing inside at guard is just as "risky" for injury as playing tackle. There certainly is more space with playing tackle, so being rolled up would be less problematic. Not sure I understand the connection?

I believe the argument is based on guards using different mussels, movement patterns, muscular and ligament strain, eccentric and concentric balance etc..,

If you're not used to moving a certain way there is more of a risk of pulling an hammy or other injuries.
 

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What gives us a better unit on the field on Sunday?

It’s an easy decision.
Id say Smith McGovern Biadasz Martin Williams, but that's just me.

You all are mad at the coaching staff for this, but if Martin is uncomfortable and scared of injury at rt, why play him there?
 

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I thought knight played better at RT than Steele did
But both got better as the season went on

When did Knight play RT last year ?
I thought once Tyron got hurt and out for the year,.. they tried Knight,... then Knight got hurt,... then Cam Irving,.... then Irving got hurt ..then it was Knight again ...all of this at LT.

Only thing I can say for Steele is that he's been durable for the most part. But he's still has the look of a scrub OT.

If Steele had gotten better as you say, they would have never switched and moved Martin out to RT as an immediate emergency.
The only reason why Steele returned to the startling lineup was cuz Martin himself got hurt - and there was simply no one else left as an option.
 

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I’m one of maybe the few that believes it’s more of a vulnerable injury risk to swing Martin outside to tackle, at this age (31 yrs in ’21) and stage of his age and career.
I am one that also believe the extended challenge outside playing on an open island placed more of a physical strain on his body, and that even led to the calf strain.
Thank goodness that he did not suffer an Achilles tendon tear.
I think the club will only resort to this Martin move to RT, if it was a desperate, last resort per injury depth issue.

- Where I ever still believe these coaches really blew it is, instead of choosing to flex Conner Williams as a utility OT, (where he excelled at that position role in college at UT)
they chose to force him to play utility center, a position he’s never played at either college or NFL, and where he struggled the entire summer attempting to make the C transition.

- Also if we're really so terrified of our backups, and cannot trust them, then they really don't need to be on this roster.
They have no problem going with Brandon Knight an out-placed OG turn to emergency OT.

- And they have no problem rolling out scrubs Terrence Steele and Ty Nysekhe – and Josh Ball was gonna be a developmental process type OT.
But yet OL coach Philibin wasn't keen on moving and coaching up the young and athletic Williams as a utility emergency OT..??

:rolleyes:
At some point you have to ask: Why put a player in a position that they're not as good?
 

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There was a clip they played on 105.3 that basically has Martin saying he wants to stay at guard. That's what they pay him to do.
 

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There was a clip they played on 105.3 that basically has Martin saying he wants to stay at guard. That's what they pay him to do.

If it’s about money then that’s pathetic on his end.
 

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There is no logical explanation to not play Martin at Tackle over this 5 game stretch.

Martin has the ability to play Tackle at a high level and you are purposely making yourself worse for whatever reason.

If Dallas can’t figure this out then we got coaching problems still. Martin shouldn’t have a say in this either. He’s paid to do a job and it’s not a permanent switch. It’s a short term solution that fixes a big problem.

This is a clear obvious move and if anything happens because of our right tackle it’s 100% on the decision makers who saw the obvious thing to do and ignored it.
You're not a coach, so just quit this crap....
 

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If it’s about money then that’s pathetic on his end.


He didn't mention money. But that is a sore spot for some of these guys because different positions are paid more. Could be he just likes what he has been doing for a long time.
 

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Someone needs to ask coach jerry, he is the one who will decide where martin plays lol.
if martin wants to stay at guard, do you guys really think jerry wont say to coaches, lets keep martin at guard?
If jerry says that to mike, do you really think Mike will say uh no jerry I am playing martin at tackle! :omg:
 

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There is no logical explanation to not play Martin at Tackle over this 5 game stretch.

Martin has the ability to play Tackle at a high level and you are purposely making yourself worse for whatever reason.

If Dallas can’t figure this out then we got coaching problems still. Martin shouldn’t have a say in this either. He’s paid to do a job and it’s not a permanent switch. It’s a short term solution that fixes a big problem.

This is a clear obvious move and if anything happens because of our right tackle it’s 100% on the decision makers who saw the obvious thing to do and ignored it.
Martin is capable of being one of the best RTs in the league. If Collins continues his current trend of not being available for whatever reasons, then Martin should change positions. McGovern looks promising at the RG position. IMO, the moves would put the most promising oline on the field. Speaking of questionable decisions, C. Williams’ talent and physique fits the tackle position much more than it fits the guard position. They tried him a center, which fits his talent like fitting a square peg in a round hole, but they won’t try him at either tackle position. He was a very good tackle in college, so it is questionable why he hasn’t at least been tried at the tackle position. I find it hard to believe that a couple inches of arm length prevents trying him at tackle.
 

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Dude Martin said he doesn’t want to play tackle unless it’s absolutely an emergency. He also referenced the calf injury that he worsened when playing T. If the guy doesn’t want to play there that should tell you something. Either it’s an injury aggravator or the guy hates playing T. Regardless there’s reasoning here.
Yeah I don't think he wants to and I don't blame him.

He isn't paid to play guard, the last time he played guard he got injured, and playing a handful of games at tackle (ontop of missing the first game) and then trying to switch back to guard pretty much gurantees he won't make pro bowl or all pro team as well.

I personally wouldn't want any of those things if I where him
 

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Martin needs to stay at Guard. We already have a very young Center and now a back-up at RT, why make the entire middle weaker?
understand, but were they weaker against TB? no I think McGovern held his own very well. Badiaz Did as well. Yeah the most logical lineup would be Collins at RT and Martin at RG, but without Collins RT backup is a huge downgrade.
 

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I have a feeling that Martin will take some snaps at RT this week and in upcoming weeks and will the "break glass in case of emergency" tackle if the other guys fall apart. Still for as well as he played at RT last year let's not forget he also got hurt in what his second? start out there? Tackle is more demanding on the lower leg in terms of footwork and Zack aint built for that. Not that he can't do it but it taxes those lower leg muscles to have to kickset and backpedal over and over than playing guard does.
Both positions requires certain traits from the player , but tackle is less physical . Since Martin has had some lingering issues with his calves and lower leg, it might create less stress at the tackle position. The movement required at tackle may be repetitive, but it creates less stress because less power is needed at the position. At guard, every play is stressful and requires power. A lingering leg injury has little chance of recovering if the leg is in constant battles of power.
 

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there was a rumor that martin was so hot about playing tackle...not sure if the coaches caved into that. but I am with you...its about the best 5 combination and martin and mcgovern give us the best 5 on the field.
I agree. It is big difference between McGovern filling in for Martin and the huge drop in talent from Martin to one of these backup tackles.
 

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What I'm hearing is that Martin doesn't want to play tackle. IF TRUE?? Would of loved to had heard him say that to Jimmy Johnson. But Big Mac Mike...."ok".....
 
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