If you have Dak below the Top 7, I can't take you seriously

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Carr has had 4 different HCs, 4 different OCs and multiple QB coaches, a garbage OL and no RG and no defense.

Dak has never been elite. 2017 and 2018 were a joke and he was considered a laughing stock. Like I said, the delusion of Dak-stand regarding the situation Dak has been in compared to other QBs is absurdly far left field.
 

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Carr has had 4 different HCs, 4 different OCs and multiple QB coaches, a garbage OL and no RG and no defense.

Dak has never been elite. 2017 and 2018 were a joke and he was considered a laughing stock. Like I said, the delusion of Dak-stand regarding the situation Dak has been in compared to other QBs is absurdly far left field.
Excuses
 

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The delusion of Dak-stans is so far left field, they forgot how they used to say the reason Dak was struggling is because of Mark Sanchez no longer being on this team. I mean the ridiculous excuses they made to justify Dak’s horrible play for stretches that they have forgotten about is just laughable.
 

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I think people are taking a wait and see approach on Carr. He has looked great but I don't know if 2 games masks what we saw from him the last few years.......Carr has probably played better than mostly anyone in the league. He's played great. Dak's shown he's elite since 2016....Carr....ehhh......

It's hilarious that the people who accuse others of saying Dak is better than Carr are the ones who keep wanting to compare the two.. Dak is better.. get over it. Carr is off to a great start.. Good for him.. Maybe he has a better year than Dak this year.. So what? Carr has had losing seasons in 5 of in his 7 seasons to date.. Dak has never had a losing season which he has finished. Again, when it suits people who hate Dak it's about wins not stats.. Then when it doesn't it's about stats and the "team carried him." They're all full of crap. I'd respect them more if they just came out and said they don't like Dak and don't want him to be our QB.
 

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It's hilarious that the people who accuse others of saying Dak is better than Carr are the ones who keep wanting to compare the two.. Dak is better.. get over it. Carr is off to a great start.. Good for him.. Maybe he has a better year than Dak this year.. So what? Carr has had losing seasons in 5 of in his 7 seasons to date.. Dak has never had a losing season which he has finished. Again, when it suits people who hate Dak it's about wins not stats.. Then when it doesn't it's about stats and the "team carried him." They're all full of crap. I'd respect them more if they just came out and said they don't like Dak and don't want him to be our QB.
I mean these guys...they sit here and nitpick at Dak's game and his flaws but then will hype up guys like Carr.....its clear what their agenda is. In a week the Cowboys won its the same miserable people.
 

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Dak got a lot of support from players regarding his contract, because it was setting the market for future years to come. The stance he was making, particularly taking into account gambling revenue and what the owners were making, was going to garner any support from the players. That was purely business motivated.
 

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Carr is playing at an elite level this season and if anybody played on a dysfunctional organization, it was this man. As soon as he got a decent coach and stability, he’s 2-0 and the best player on the field by far. He’s played the top 2 and 3 defenses this season. the Dak-stans were telling us that Dak is by far better than Carr, while Dak had a far superior roster. Suddenly, they are quiet about Carr’s games, but yapping about how these two games of Dak definitely makes him elite.
so Raiders are dysfunctional. yet Cowboys are functional...ooookkk then....
 

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Dak got a lot of support from players regarding his contract, because it was setting the market for future years to come. The stance he was making, particularly taking into account gambling revenue and what the owners were making, was going to garner any support from the players. That was purely business motivated.
how did the players exactly supported his contract? did Allen give him support, since he got a larger contract? was Allen's contract result of Dak's contract? what about Watson? were players rooting for him or against him?

you should right story books. you have a very vivid imagination given you claim you know more than NFL defensive coordinators and coaches.
 

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Dak got a lot of support from players regarding his contract, because it was setting the market for future years to come. The stance he was making, particularly taking into account gambling revenue and what the owners were making, was going to garner any support from the players. That was purely business motivated.
Yeah it was smart from Dak and his team.
 

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Most of his rabid defenders, are the same ones that used to blame Romo. When Dak was completely blowing, they started leveraging the valid excuses Romo had, for their QB, when none of the excuses are applicable. I’ve been on this forum for over 15 years plus and the majority of its members were rabid defenders of Jason Garrett and his ‘play calling’, but when it comes to Dak, suddenly Garrett, who was banished from play calling completely bu Jerry in 2014, is the reason for Dak’s lack of success. I was bashing Garrett for years, among a select few, while ad nauseum, he was declared on this forum as the next Tom Landry. Romo wasn’t even allowed in game planning meetings by Garrett until he had the opportunity to force it when he got his new contract on 2013, which is what Jerry Jones meant when he said “Peyton-like” responsibilities.

I’m not going to get into how these Dak-stand are flat out making things up as the years go by, but what is clear is, when this team finally had a roster and Garrett out the way in the offense in the short SB window, we wasted it, instead of giving the one who had that right, to lead this football, to train this QB, who in year 3, literally took a week to throw a TD in training camp, and I’m not making this up. They have given every opportunity for Dak to learn and grow, including playing on ‘meaningless’ games even when they say guys like Zeke and Smith to end the season. The Dak-stabs gave bashed Jerry at every corner and guys like Zeke and Amari, as well as the defense, while Romo was bashed for guys like Garrett and Julius Jones and a bunch of journeymen OL who weren’t even considered on the map until they played with Romo.

I mean the lengths these Dak-stans go to try and mention Dak in the same category as Romo now, suddenly making Romo a victim too, just to prop up their boy Dak is a joke. Teams defender Romo with deep cover 2 constantly while Jason Garrett has zero clue how to field a RG. We were bottom of the barrel in play action and we had to go shotgun and hurry up in the second half abandoning Garrett’s game plan because of consistent 3 and outs. Our RG was revamped because we lucked into Callahan and by the time we had all-pro linemen at 3 of our 5 spots at OL, we went with Checkdown Charlie, who took three years to see he had man coverage on the outside with Amari, while teams kept an extra man in the box for Zeke constantly.

It’s a joke listening to these guys make Dak a victim for years, even leveraging what Romo went through, when the scenarios are exactly the opposite. Romo carried trash, Dak is getting carried by a an offense loaded by talent period.

Herbert was throwing bombs against cover-2 and was getting pressured all day long. One TD got called back, another the WR slipped leading to the INT. Dak couldn’t break 200 yards against zone except for a 48 yarder off a dump off to CeeDee Lamb to end the half. And Dak had the RG to consistently move the chains while SD didn’t even bother to run. SD is basically unleashing Herbert as soon as he started his career. To sit there with a straight face and say Dak is in anyway on his level is comical.

Everybody is a sacrificial lamb at the altar of Dak to the Dakstans and it’s a joke.
you two should get a room. seriously....the love fest is making me blush and I don't blush easily
 

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I mean look at these baseless analogies once again continuing. Dak was the only QB not getting what he wanted, meaning a contract dispute that became openly public, to the point his “boys” and Dez started playing the race card on Twitter. The Bills basically gave Allen his contract quickly, without any hesitation.
 

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I dunno .. Dandy Don had some monster games back before monster games were even a thing.. I'd give him a punchers chance in at least a third of those games.. Dude had a few 400 yard games IN THE 60's!!! I mean are you kidding me? He had 2 350 yard 5 TD games in 1966. Don't sell the man short..

Then again maybe I'll take Eli and beat YOU 17 out of 17 games.. :cool:
Ugh. You got me with Eli lol
 

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Yeah moore called it. It worked once. Figured Ill try it again. ON THE SAME DRIVE. I hate when people try to outsmart the other. It reminds me of when Linehan tried to confuse GB in 2016 in the playoffs by coming out throwing. When during the season we gashed them for 200 plus yards on the ground lol. Sometimes people outsmart themselves and it always seems to be at our expense.


Ive been screaming this that damn decision was bad.
 

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Carr has had 4 different HCs, 4 different OCs and multiple QB coaches, a garbage OL and no RG and no defense.

Dak has never been elite. 2017 and 2018 were a joke and he was considered a laughing stock. Like I said, the delusion of Dak-stand regarding the situation Dak has been in compared to other QBs is absurdly far left field.
I won't get into this which QB is better--as it never changes minds anyway.

Who you have around you when you play obviously matters.

I guess in 2017, Dak played on a team that was a bit more like what Carr has played on for most of his career.
Maybe people can look into that.

The Raiders this year seem to be getting decent line play and they are expanding their weapons....a little.
Waller is a monster at least. We'll see if Ruggs can become consistnt.
 

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I mean look at these baseless analogies once again continuing. Dak was the only QB not getting what he wanted, meaning a contract dispute that became openly public, to the point his “boys” and Dez started playing the race card on Twitter. The Bills basically gave Allen his contract quickly, without any hesitation.
Dak wanted less money and shorter contract last year....Jerry wanted longer and more money...hmmm, so wanting less was getting more. and he was tagged. he didn't talk in public. he didn't talk to media. it was you, people like you, fans like you and the media that made it a public discussion. the dak stans vs. dak haters like yourself. but hey, blame Dak....he is responsible for global warming as I have heard....

and I find it funny, you use Dez as a reference of someone sane who has never ever said anything that was controversial. oookk then.....

there is no bottom to your shamelessness is there? anytime I think he can't get any more more shameless and make up more stories, you out do yourself. like I said try writing a fictional book, you have natural talent
 

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I'm just saying, don't draft Roger #1 in that draft, because I promise you that you'll be able to pick him up in the later rounds or as an undrafted FA if we're having an "All Time Greats Draft".

Whos you're 2nd choice if Roger isn't available? Let me guess... Aikman, right?


What rules we playing Then or Now? lets put it this way if we play with the old 70's rules..there is a good chance Brady struggles and maybe gets killed (he doesn't even know what a fore arm shiver is to the QB mouth) If we play with rules from now...cant touch the QB or the WR do you think Roger's game gets worse or better?

Would be funny though..Brady looking at the ref after Lambert hits him after 3 steps...ref like "What..get up you whine bag"
 
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I won't get into this which QB is better--as it never changes minds anyway.

Who you have around you when you play obviously matters.

I guess in 2017, Dak played on a team that was a bit more like what Carr has played on for most of his career.
Maybe people can look into that.

The Raiders this year seem to be getting decent line play and they are expanding their weapons....a little.
Waller is a monster at least. We'll see if Ruggs can become consistnt.

The difference is, people knew that Zeke’s suspension exposed Dak. Even Jerry flat out said at 2017, it was a learning experience for Dak. On the other hand, everybody knew the Raiders were dysfunctional and Carr was playing for trash.

I mean we’ve consistently heard how Dallas is a SB contender. Even the Dak-stand were yapping in the off-season last year to start 2020, we were primed and ready with all these offensive weapons.

But the Dak-fans were primed with excuses with Collins suspension. Suddenly, Dallas was playing a more talented SD roster per his fans on this forum….
Nobody had SD as a SB contender.
 

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What rules we playing Then or Now? lets put it this way if we play with the old 70's rules..there is a good chance Brady struggles and maybe gets killed (he doesn't even know what a fore arm shiver is to the QB mouth) If we play with rules from now...cant touch the QB or the WR do you think Roger's game gets worse or better?
You realize the biggest guys from Rogers era, guys like DT Alan Page only weighed around 240 lbs, right? That's what Jaylon Smith weighs. Jaylon Smith is the same weight as the greatest defensive tackle of Rogers era.

Brady is going against defensive tackles like Aaron Donald that is 280 lbs with a 6-pack.

So, 190 pound Roger won't get killed, but 230 pound Brady would? Get outta here.
 
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